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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/21/2015 1:08:04 PM   
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Actually we tend to agree on alot of things, but not this thing.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/21/2015 1:09:39 PM   
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Actually we tend to agree on alot of things, but not this thing.

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Could be.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/21/2015 3:40:24 PM   
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An that is why those on here defending guns are totally against the CDC taking any action at all.
Simple they have already shown a political bias on this subject almost as extreme as you and Mr Bloomberg.
Again you come up with "reasonable" requirements which would be impossible to meet, even if the doctor isn't biased against guns he will be terrified of making a mistake, so no one would pass. Even if this were not the case it is just another ploy to see to it that only the elites could afford firearms.


It can't be that we are totally against the CDC taking action because we don't believe it's within the purview of the CDC to do so. How many people don't think it's something the CDC should be looking at, but have no issue with the FBI researching it?


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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/21/2015 3:48:09 PM   
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Why is it in the last three years, this nation has experienced more mass shootings than days on the calendar?

Because people like you redefine mass shootings to help your position.
The only way you can deny that crime is dropping precipitously is if you pretend that those government organizations you worship are lyng to us which of course means everything else you say just went out the window.
As to one of the other silly rants you went on. Apparently you are unaware that if I, as an Alabama resident, buy a firearm in Georgia they have to ship it to a dealer in Al who then does the background check according to what is legal in Al. The dealers in Fast and Furious brought the number of sales to the attention of ATF and were told not to worry, or did you erase that from your memory?
How do I explain CA terrorismis outside the normal range of motive/prevention. And did you notice that the guy who got the guns (not to mention helped make ILLEGAL ALTERATIONS TO THEM) is being chargedfo those crimes?


Technically, he is both correct and incorrect, Bama. It just depends on your definitions.
Mother Jones has an article about it, even.

According to their definition, there have only been 4 mass shootings this year. According to the Federal Government's definition (President Obama had the FBI reduce the required number of people dead from 4 [Mother Jones's standard] to 3), there have been 6.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/21/2015 3:51:34 PM   
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Tweak, congress passed and some President signed a bill prohibiting the CDC from investigating gun violence, or the veto was overridden. Matters not which.


It was in 1996, I believe, so, that damn Republican President Clinton! Huh? He's a Democrat?!?!? Noooooo. Can't be.


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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/22/2015 7:43:51 AM   
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Tweak, congress passed and some President signed a bill prohibiting the CDC from investigating gun violence, or the veto was overridden. Matters not which.


It was in 1996, I believe, so, that damn Republican President Clinton! Huh? He's a Democrat?!?!? Noooooo. Can't be.



Ha-ha! Good one!

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/22/2015 8:05:26 AM   
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The whole article is bs... Texas got an f but meets all of the requirements. Universal background check, permit for concealed carry, no guns in schools or bars or courts etc. It's leftist propaganda...


No guns in schools, eh? Maybe your not aware that the Texas Legislation now allows CCWs on campus at the University of Texas. That same bill allows for CCW permit holders to open carry arms. So if they want to go into a bar or school*; they can! An Texas does not have universal background checks; since people are not checked at gun shows by private sellers (universal means....EVERYONE that buys a firearm is checked).

You might want to update your information....

*: for schools, its only allowed if the institution has give prior written statement allowing that individual within the grounds with a firearm. In all other cases, the person can be arrested.


Hmm that's funny because any place I've been to in Texas that sells alcohol clearly displays a sign stating that it's a federal crime to carry a wepon inside a bar.

Also when talking about schools I was referring to schools highschool and below. What a private university does with gun laws is totally up to them... I don't know of which dealers at gunshows you are referring to but if they are selling a gun they have to have a licence to do so. If they don't they have to ship the gun to a dealership that can. It would be stupid not to! Let's say I sell one of my guns to someone and I have no documented proof that I sold him that wepon and he commits a crime with it... Guess who's door the feds will be knocking on? A friend of mine is a collector he's got over 300 guns and rifles. I asked him about it and he said who ever is selling guns without background check is either stupid or a criminal. There is a clear law against it here but it doesn't stop criminals from selling guns to other criminals regardless of what state they are from. Like I said I had to get a back ground check for both of my guns...


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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/22/2015 2:17:11 PM   
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When such people go on those tirades they do not leave a pile of bodies in their wake....


No, they're just fucking morons who are held up by the pro gun folks as "See, this is what is against us"

Actually, the dumbasses are partially culpable in the body count because they are shown as an example of "Their side".



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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/22/2015 2:21:03 PM   
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of Americans whom are avoiding treatment for one reason or another, to get help. If they have to side with Americans in stopping/preventing individuals with guns while suffering these problems; they'll do that too. Ever come down a US Marine from killing themselves with a 1911? Its not a cake walk....

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Mental health, not gun ownership is the problem.


If that was true, explain San Bernadino? Explain all the thousands of murders by people whom were mentally and emotional 'fit'? Or do you assume anyone whom ends the life of another with a firearm is mentally and/or emotionally unstable? You make an extraordinary claim; got the extraordinary evidence to back it up?


Are you saying that people who are so tied up in their religion that they will commit mass murder are not batshit crazy?

Nice job of supporting Muslim extremism. My previous post just got a lot more support.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/22/2015 2:27:57 PM   
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Yes because the Federal Bureau of Investigation, ONLY investigates things right? They don't arrest anyone, right? I guess the Secret Service is ONLY a secret, right? I guess the Food and Drug Administration only handles the bills of food and drugs to government employees, right?


I've seen a lot of STUPID fucking posts on CS but this might just be the best EVAH.

Does your brain, such as it is, have any connection to your hands as they type this stupid shit?

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 1:32:24 AM   
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An that is why those on here defending guns are totally against the CDC taking any action at all.
Simple they have already shown a political bias on this subject almost as extreme as you and Mr Bloomberg.

Again you come up with "reasonable" requirements which would be impossible to meet, even if the doctor isn't biased against guns he will be terrified of making a mistake, so no one would pass. Even if this were not the case it is just another ploy to see to it that only the elites could afford firearms.


Yes, because according to you the only way the CDC could be un-bias is by agreeing 100% with the right wing, right?

Background checks are unreasonable? Most of the nation wants it (including many conservative firearm owners). Placing an artificial tax on firearms is unreasonable? We do it with just about everything else, including gas and tobacco. Requiring individuals to show they are physically, mentally, and emotionally stable/health is not unreasonable in light of all the mass shootings by unstable individuals with firearms.

The elites do not need firearms when they can control the media that you view. If they can direct your thinking process to their whims; your firearms is an irrelevant piece of metal. There are fascists in the Republican party right now; their leader is Mr. Trump. What are you doing about it? Three years ago, you stated you were against fascists (even defend the nation from them). Well, here they are in your own political party; what are you doing about it? NOTHING. Sitting on your hands and doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Because they have conditioned you to do absolutely nothing. If the enemy can control your mind, your gun is irrelevant for stopping the tyrant!

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 2:40:35 AM   
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its insane....

He is grasping at straws.


On the contrary I am not.

Neither of you have an argument that states why the CDC should not investigate using science on the firearm culture that seems to be out of control in the nation. That's the nature of this thread.,,,,,

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 2:49:29 AM   
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An that is why those on here defending guns are totally against the CDC taking any action at all.
Simple they have already shown a political bias on this subject almost as extreme as you and Mr Bloomberg.
Again you come up with "reasonable" requirements which would be impossible to meet, even if the doctor isn't biased against guns he will be terrified of making a mistake, so no one would pass. Even if this were not the case it is just another ploy to see to it that only the elites could afford firearms.


It can't be that we are totally against the CDC taking action because we don't believe it's within the purview of the CDC to do so. How many people don't think it's something the CDC should be looking at, but have no issue with the FBI researching it?



You can count me in that one.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 2:56:20 AM   
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Yes because the Federal Bureau of Investigation, ONLY investigates things right? They don't arrest anyone, right? I guess the Secret Service is ONLY a secret, right? I guess the Food and Drug Administration only handles the bills of food and drugs to government employees, right?


I've seen a lot of STUPID fucking posts on CS but this might just be the best EVAH.

Does your brain, such as it is, have any connection to your hands as they type this stupid shit?


Your the one that came up with the pathetic and uninformed argument that I was replying to. Seems the problem rests above your shoulders and below the hair line.....

You made yourself look like a fool by not examining the CDC's mission statement before commenting on it. An now your trying to backpedal out by attacking me with petty insults. Why not just admit I gave you a couple good arguments that you dont have anything to counter? Or concede that the CDC's mission would direct it to examine the firearm culture wthin this nation very closely.

You can't, because of your ego. Your ego has out stripped your common sense and ability to reason like a rational adult. Alittle over three years ago, some nut armed with an AR-15 blasted 20+ little children to pieces. Just a short time ago, some conservative nut went on a rampage at a Planned Parenthood clinic whom help much in the way of pro-life viewpoints. Not to long after a pair of terrorists attacked a location in California. In all three cases (and many, many more cases), existing firearm laws did not stop the problem. Nor did private citizens arms with firearms.

Maybe its time we have scientist example things with a fine tooth comb. Because the 'guardians' of the corrupted version of the 2nd amendment can not seem to find a policy that works. Or should I bring up a guy named Mr. Zimmerman whom murdered a black teen in cold blood after stalking him with a loaded gun, as your poster child for 'better ideas'?

Either concede, form a better argument, or be quiet.



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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 3:45:57 AM   
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Tweak, congress passed and some President signed a bill prohibiting the CDC from investigating gun violence, or the veto was overridden. Matters not which.

President Obama used an executive order to break that law and had them do a study.

The results are not what they wanted, so it got very little publicity, and the info is hard to find on the internet. If the data was favorable, these motherfuckers would have used it to further their agenda, to disarm those who would shoot THEM because they are the one who deserve it. And of course they know it. That is why they want to take the guns away, be3cause they take away OUR SHIT. and they give it to drug addicts and oil addicts. And they use our young to fight for oil, cadmium, phosphorous, gold. (yup, they are in Mali now about to start mining gold they spent after Germany trusted them to hold it)

Anyone who say to give up your guns is mentally insane. I do not care how it is an Australia, England or anywhere the fuck else. I do not care what anyone thinks, I don't care about the human garbage that anti-gunners want to protect. I want that human garbage in a grave, in fact a sewer. Don''t waste that land on someone who does not warrant it, fucking thieves, rapists, murderers, and government. just fucking burn them and use the heat to do something useful.

Sorry that you probably do not like me anymore, but the truth is the truth. Kill them off so we can have a better world. No remorse.

T^T

Oh I still love you Termy, but I certainly don't place any reliance on your notion of who is "mentally insane" any more.

And I did seem to remember reading somewhere that the legislation you mentioned was instigated by the NRA's objections to CDC research into fatalities related to gun violence. So I did a quick google search and it appears that the facts vary substantially from your recall of them, according to the Washington Post:
"Two years ago this week, President Obama ordered the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to get back to studying “the causes of gun violence.”

The CDC had not touched firearm research since 1996 — when the NRA accused the agency of promoting gun control and Congress threatened to strip the agency’s funding. The CDC’s self-imposed ban dried up a powerful funding source and had a chilling effect felt far beyond the agency: Almost no one wanted to pay for gun violence studies, researchers say. Young academics were warned that joining the field was a good way to kill their careers. And the odd gun study that got published went through linguistic gymnastics to hide any connection to firearms.

The long stalemate continued until shortly after the December 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., when Obama announced several gun-control proposals, including reversing the CDC research ban. His higher-profile proposals – tightening firearm background checks, reinstating the assault weapons ban – were viewed as impossible to pass into law. Congress wouldn’t bite. But ending the CDC research ban? Done by executive order, it appeared to have the best shot, along with broad support from a scientific community upset that gun violence as a public health problem was being ignored.

“A lot of people thought it would make a big difference,” recalled Jeffrey Swanson, a Duke University psychiatry professor who studies gun violence and mental health.

But today the CDC still avoids gun-violence research, demonstrating what many see as the depth of its fear about returning to one of the country’s most divisive debates. The agency recently was asked by The Washington Post why it was still sitting on the sidelines of firearms studies. It declined to make an official available for an interview but responded with a statement noting it had commissioned an agenda of possible research goals but still lacked the dedicated funding to pursue it.

“It is possible for us to conduct firearm-related research within the context of our efforts to address youth violence, domestic violence, sexual violence, and suicide,” CDC spokeswoman Courtney Lenard wrote, “but our resources are very limited.”

Congress has continued to block dedicated funding. Obama requested $10 million for the CDC’s gun violence research in his last two budgets. Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) have introduced bills supporting the funding. Both times the Republican-controlled House of Representatives said no. Maloney recently said she planned to reintroduce her bill this year, but she wasn’t hopeful.

So, the CDC is no closer to initiating gun-violence studies.

The roots of the research ban go back to 1996, when the NRA accused the public health agency of lobbying for gun control. That year, a Republican congressman stripped $2.6 million from the CDC budget, the exact amount spent on gun research the previous year. Soon the funding was restored, but designated elsewhere, and wording was inserted into the CDC’s appropriations bill that, “None of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.”

The CDC interpreted this to mean it should avoid studying guns in any fashion.

“It basically was a shot across the bow by Congress on the part of the NRA,” said Mark Rosenberg, who was director of the CDC’s National Center for Injury Control and Prevention when the ban went into effect. “All federally funded research was shut down.”

CDC funding for firearm injury prevention fell 96 percent, down to $100,000, from 1996 to 2013, according to Mayors Against Illegal Guns, the advocacy group founded by Michael Bloomberg.

Timothy Wheeler, director of the group Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership, said Congress had good reason to stop the CDC’s firearm inquiries. “It was what we call advocacy research,” Wheeler said. “It was research done with a preordained goal, and that goal was gun control.”

Wheeler, voicing an opinion shared by many in the gun-rights movement, said the CDC has been “irredeemably tainted” by past controversy. “I don’t have faith in them anymore,” Wheeler said.

But gun deaths and injuries are a major public health problem, researchers say. More than 100 scientists signed a 2013 letter calling on the CDC to resume research to identify effective ways of reducing gun violence rather than “muddling through” with existing tactics.

“I see no upside to ignorance,” said Richard Berk, a criminology professor at the University of Pennsylvania, who signed the letter. ”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2015/01/14/why-the-cdc-still-isnt-researching-gun-violence-despite-the-ban-being-lifted-two-years-ago/

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 3:55:50 AM   
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An that is why those on here defending guns are totally against the CDC taking any action at all.

you've had a handful of people, one of them a fellow leftie, tell you that the matter does not fall under the CDC's purview. are you brain damaged??


And yet....it does! Funny how that works, isn't it?

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and this:
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What is that part? They protect America from.....HEALTHY.....SAFETY....and that last one.....SECURITY THREATS?


nice edit of the mission statement I posted (or whoever else you got it from)---the operative word in the statement, that you left out, is DISEASE. their entire existence has to do with diseases (and yes, safety and "security threats" from diseases)...my goodness what is wrong with you??


Its not an edit, its....EMPHASISING....something. Try looking up the word Mr Grammar Nazi!

An what is the Definition of a Disease:

"a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment."

Yes, I know I'm dealing with a conservative whom is under a Sith's teachings rather than a Jedi, so I'll go slow....

You view things in absolutes with no ability to look at the grey matter in between 'here' and 'there'. I suspect as do many others, based on what we know and observe, is there is a deep area between those two points. But you can't see any of that, let alone understand it. You use the concept of 'Disease' like one deals with the common bug. Mostly (I suspect) because the more complicated and complex the material becomes your brain simply shuts down. You need things....SIMPLIFIED.

That is what the CDC will do. Maybe the firearm culture is just a culture, and maybe it is something else. You do want healthy, sane individuals to have access to firearms, right? What if something is taking place within the human mind that creates the desires for mass killings? That it is not genetic and passed from their parents; but developed. Not by nurturing, but due to a combination of things (what they ate, did, smelled, etc).

The human body has a funny way of reacting to a combination of things. Most people react to being told they are paranoid by a medical professional in a typical manner. So much that the medical professional is not phased by it. Given time and therapy, they might be able to piece together the circumstances that led the individual to the moment that landed them in therapy (or a prison cell).

Wouldn't it be nice if we could detect individuals in a variety of ways BEFORE then go critical?




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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 4:00:06 AM   
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Tweak, congress passed and some President signed a bill prohibiting the CDC from investigating gun violence, or the veto was overridden. Matters not which.


It was in 1996, I believe, so, that damn Republican President Clinton! Huh? He's a Democrat?!?!? Noooooo. Can't be.


It is sad that both of you display a complete lack of understanding of 'How Washington Operates'. For Mr. Clinton to get something, he had to 'pay for it'. Its called 'A compromise'. I'm guessing he had to 'sell it' as part of the compromise. So the question would be: What did Mr. Clinton get?

Most likely it wouldn't be directly tied to the issue nor within a plus/minus few days (failing that, a week or two).

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 5:59:06 AM   
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An that is why those on here defending guns are totally against the CDC taking any action at all.
Simple they have already shown a political bias on this subject almost as extreme as you and Mr Bloomberg.
Again you come up with "reasonable" requirements which would be impossible to meet, even if the doctor isn't biased against guns he will be terrified of making a mistake, so no one would pass. Even if this were not the case it is just another ploy to see to it that only the elites could afford firearms.


It can't be that we are totally against the CDC taking action because we don't believe it's within the purview of the CDC to do so. How many people don't think it's something the CDC should be looking at, but have no issue with the FBI researching it?



Well the FBI really shouldn't conduct scientific studies, it's not in their purview either.

This should be handled by the social science departments of US universities, and/or the NIH.

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 7:42:25 AM   
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Tweak, congress passed and some President signed a bill prohibiting the CDC from investigating gun violence, or the veto was overridden. Matters not which.

It was in 1996, I believe, so, that damn Republican President Clinton! Huh? He's a Democrat?!?!? Noooooo. Can't be.

It is sad that both of you display a complete lack of understanding of 'How Washington Operates'. For Mr. Clinton to get something, he had to 'pay for it'. Its called 'A compromise'. I'm guessing he had to 'sell it' as part of the compromise. So the question would be: What did Mr. Clinton get?
Most likely it wouldn't be directly tied to the issue nor within a plus/minus few days (failing that, a week or two).


LMFAO! It's not sad, nor true that I don't know how Washington works.

So, what did President Clinton get in exchange for signing the bill into law?

If you and I were in a room, would the likelihood of you killing me increase, decrease, or stay the same, if there was a gun, a bat, a knife, or no weapon in the room with us?

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RE: CDC and Firearms - 12/23/2015 7:44:50 AM   
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An that is why those on here defending guns are totally against the CDC taking any action at all.
Simple they have already shown a political bias on this subject almost as extreme as you and Mr Bloomberg.
Again you come up with "reasonable" requirements which would be impossible to meet, even if the doctor isn't biased against guns he will be terrified of making a mistake, so no one would pass. Even if this were not the case it is just another ploy to see to it that only the elites could afford firearms.

It can't be that we are totally against the CDC taking action because we don't believe it's within the purview of the CDC to do so. How many people don't think it's something the CDC should be looking at, but have no issue with the FBI researching it?

Well the FBI really shouldn't conduct scientific studies, it's not in their purview either.
This should be handled by the social science departments of US universities, and/or the NIH.


WTF? Why can't they use science? LMMFAO!!

Have you read the mission statement of the NIH?

I'm not opposed to Universities researching causes of firearms usage.

If you and I were in a room, would the likelihood of you killing me increase, decrease, or stay the same, if there was a gun, a bat, a knife, or no weapon in the room with us?


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