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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Thats not the only way for a confrontation. But if you are stalking me, I am definitely going to confront you. I will just know enough to start shooting right away.

At the time of the confrontation Zimmerman was heading back to hiws truck, and he wasn't stalking. Why do you people insist on using arguments that were dissproven years ago, Zimmerman was innocent, live with it.

We dont know any of this, we only have his account. Thats what I am saying anyone stalks me and I will open up.

The prosecution virtually proved there was no case against him.
You say there is no proof as to what happened so that means. in your mind that the story that puts Zimmerman in the worst light must be true.
Most of what you believe is pure fantasy.
What would you do if you saw someone sneaking around in your neighbors yard, hide in the basement?

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ORIGINAL: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/2015/12/26/warner-robins-man-shoot-kills-alleged-robber/77917686/
Warner Robins man shoots, kills alleged robber

9:28 p.m. EST December 26, 2015

A Warner Robins man told police that he shot and killed a man who tried to rob him.

According to police, it happened around 8:10 p.m. on Christmas night on the 100 block of Oakridge Drive.

Police say Antonio Bagley, 29, told them Jerrell Walker tried to rob him so he fired his pistol at him. Walker later died from a gunshot wound to the torso.

Bagley has not been charged, and the case is still under investigation.

Anyone with information on the case can call Macon Regional Crimestoppers at 1-877-68-CRIME.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-shoots-home-intruder-in-north-harris-county
Woman shoots home intruder in north Harris County

Posted: 9:51 PM, December 25, 2015

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas - A woman shot and wounded a man who tried to break into her north Harris County apartment.

The home invasion happened in the 5000 block of Azalea Trace Drive.

Deputies said the man was trying to climb in through a window, when the woman fired several shots, striking him twice.

The thief ran to a waiting car and ended up at Houston Northwest Medical Center.

No one else was hurt.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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Thats not the only way for a confrontation. But if you are stalking me, I am definitely going to confront you. I will just know enough to start shooting right away.

At the time of the confrontation Zimmerman was heading back to hiws truck, and he wasn't stalking. Why do you people insist on using arguments that were dissproven years ago, Zimmerman was innocent, live with it.

We dont know any of this, we only have his account. Thats what I am saying anyone stalks me and I will open up.

The prosecution virtually proved there was no case against him.
You say there is no proof as to what happened so that means. in your mind that the story that puts Zimmerman in the worst light must be true.
Most of what you believe is pure fantasy.
What would you do if you saw someone sneaking around in your neighbors yard, hide in the basement?

They didnt have basements, and no one was sneaking. He was guilty of being black.

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There was no evidence of murder. The police knew that at the scene. The prosecution knew it at trial. And the jury knew it when they returned a verdict.

We all know that the televised court proceedings only came about because of pressure from the community, the media, and the DoJ probably with a nudge from the Obama Administration.

Zimmerman killed Treyvon. He never denied that. Whether he really did it because Treyvon went for the gun, or because he was tired of getting his ass kicked is difficult to say. Either way, in that moment he believed his life was in danger, and acted accordingly.

But there can be no doubt that Treyvon was being stalked through the neighborhood. He had done nothing to deserve that. If you guys can't even put yourself in his place for a moment, and really think about what you would have done, then there is no point of continuing this conversation.

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All my links were from the wapo site, for the full list, you might wanna try the other link in the article I posted.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/2015/12/26/warner-robins-man-shoot-kills-alleged-robber/77917686/
Warner Robins man shoots, kills alleged robber

9:28 p.m. EST December 26, 2015

A Warner Robins man told police that he shot and killed a man who tried to rob him.

According to police, it happened around 8:10 p.m. on Christmas night on the 100 block of Oakridge Drive.

Police say Antonio Bagley, 29, told them Jerrell Walker tried to rob him so he fired his pistol at him. Walker later died from a gunshot wound to the torso.

Bagley has not been charged, and the case is still under investigation.

Anyone with information on the case can call Macon Regional Crimestoppers at 1-877-68-CRIME.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-shoots-home-intruder-in-north-harris-county
Woman shoots home intruder in north Harris County

Posted: 9:51 PM, December 25, 2015

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas - A woman shot and wounded a man who tried to break into her north Harris County apartment.

The home invasion happened in the 5000 block of Azalea Trace Drive.

Deputies said the man was trying to climb in through a window, when the woman fired several shots, striking him twice.

The thief ran to a waiting car and ended up at Houston Northwest Medical Center.

No one else was hurt.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/12/26/whitehall-homicide.html

http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_62e1a58d-383e-51d5-a10d-b3354535c3c6.html

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/12/26/augusta-police-seek-clues-on-dead-couple-in-suv/

http://wkrg.com/2015/12/26/shooting-at-prichard-barbershop-leaves-one-dead/

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-12-25/story/christmas-night-shooting-leaves-2-year-old-3-others-shot-jacksonvilles

http://whnt.com/2015/12/27/christmas-night-movie-theater-shooting-in-mobile-leaves-four-injured/


All my links were from the wapo site, for the full list, you might wanna try the other link in the article I posted.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

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ORIGINAL: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/2015/12/26/warner-robins-man-shoot-kills-alleged-robber/77917686/
Warner Robins man shoots, kills alleged robber

9:28 p.m. EST December 26, 2015

A Warner Robins man told police that he shot and killed a man who tried to rob him.

According to police, it happened around 8:10 p.m. on Christmas night on the 100 block of Oakridge Drive.

Police say Antonio Bagley, 29, told them Jerrell Walker tried to rob him so he fired his pistol at him. Walker later died from a gunshot wound to the torso.

Bagley has not been charged, and the case is still under investigation.

Anyone with information on the case can call Macon Regional Crimestoppers at 1-877-68-CRIME.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-shoots-home-intruder-in-north-harris-county
Woman shoots home intruder in north Harris County

Posted: 9:51 PM, December 25, 2015

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas - A woman shot and wounded a man who tried to break into her north Harris County apartment.

The home invasion happened in the 5000 block of Azalea Trace Drive.

Deputies said the man was trying to climb in through a window, when the woman fired several shots, striking him twice.

The thief ran to a waiting car and ended up at Houston Northwest Medical Center.

No one else was hurt.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/12/26/whitehall-homicide.html

http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_62e1a58d-383e-51d5-a10d-b3354535c3c6.html

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/12/26/augusta-police-seek-clues-on-dead-couple-in-suv/

http://wkrg.com/2015/12/26/shooting-at-prichard-barbershop-leaves-one-dead/

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-12-25/story/christmas-night-shooting-leaves-2-year-old-3-others-shot-jacksonvilles

http://whnt.com/2015/12/27/christmas-night-movie-theater-shooting-in-mobile-leaves-four-injured/


All my links were from the wapo site, for the full list, you might wanna try the other link in the article I posted.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

From your first link: 4 were shot, 1 was run over. Of the 4 shot, 3 occurred during robberies. 1 person that was shot several times was found behind a vacant house. No clue yet as to motive. The 1 person that was ran over was ran over by a driver that...according to witnesses...seemed to do so maliciously.

From your second link: A 73 year old woman killed her husband over "marital issues and numerous infidelities".

From your third link: 2 people found shot to death in a double homicide in a car on a dirt road. Police are following up on clue but ruled it a homicide.

From your fourth link: An anti-crime advocate was shot in the back and the head. Again, clearly a homicide. (The method is indicative of those involved in criminal activities sending a message)

From your fifth link: 4 shot in Jacksonville, Florida. 1 toddler, 2 teens, 1 21-year-old. No one killed. Happened in a known criminal/gang area of Jacksonville.

From your sixth link: 4 injured in a shooting in Mobile, Alabama. The two gunmen...alleged to be teenagers, fled the scene (teenagers with guns. Hmm...illegal)

From your seventh link: there are 10 deaths listed, one of them self-inflicted.

That's 18 deaths from guns (1 self-inflicted). There's a 9 person discrepancy. Where's the other 9? Gang violence in Detroit...Chicago?

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There was no evidence of murder. The police knew that at the scene. The prosecution knew it at trial. And the jury knew it when they returned a verdict.

We all know that the televised court proceedings only came about because of pressure from the community, the media, and the DoJ probably with a nudge from the Obama Administration.

Zimmerman killed Treyvon. He never denied that. Whether he really did it because Treyvon went for the gun, or because he was tired of getting his ass kicked is difficult to say. Either way, in that moment he believed his life was in danger, and acted accordingly.

But there can be no doubt that Treyvon was being stalked through the neighborhood. He had done nothing to deserve that. If you guys can't even put yourself in his place for a moment, and really think about what you would have done, then there is no point of continuing this conversation.

I have been on the Zimmerman side of the equation, and they quickly gave an explination of why they were doing something that looked suspicious.
Zimmerman never left the sidewalk so stalking, pursuing and simular discriptions of his actions are incorrect. There is no question that Martin was being observed, there is also no question but what Zimmerman made to attempt to close with him. If you go wandering through peoples back yards at night you can bet someone will be suspicious of your intentions. He didn't deserve to die for that and he wouldn't have if he hadn't attacked Zimmerman.
I have never been in Martin's situation because I don't cut through peoples yards. particularly not at night. And I wouldn't think someone paraleeing me WHILE TALKING ON HIS CELL PHONE was stalking me.

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I didnt state it did, the wa po link would tell you.
Or the wa post link to " their"gun violence archive.
Cant you follow links within links??

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

There was no evidence of murder. The police knew that at the scene. The prosecution knew it at trial. And the jury knew it when they returned a verdict.

We all know that the televised court proceedings only came about because of pressure from the community, the media, and the DoJ probably with a nudge from the Obama Administration.

Zimmerman killed Treyvon. He never denied that. Whether he really did it because Treyvon went for the gun, or because he was tired of getting his ass kicked is difficult to say. Either way, in that moment he believed his life was in danger, and acted accordingly.

But there can be no doubt that Treyvon was being stalked through the neighborhood. He had done nothing to deserve that. If you guys can't even put yourself in his place for a moment, and really think about what you would have done, then there is no point of continuing this conversation.

I have been on the Zimmerman side of the equation, and they quickly gave an explination of why they were doing something that looked suspicious.
Zimmerman never left the sidewalk so stalking, pursuing and simular discriptions of his actions are incorrect. There is no question that Martin was being observed, there is also no question but what Zimmerman made to attempt to close with him. If you go wandering through peoples back yards at night you can bet someone will be suspicious of your intentions. He didn't deserve to die for that and he wouldn't have if he hadn't attacked Zimmerman.
I have never been in Martin's situation because I don't cut through peoples yards. particularly not at night. And I wouldn't think someone paraleeing me WHILE TALKING ON HIS CELL PHONE was stalking me.

Bama, look closely at this map.

[image]http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www/release/sites/default/files/2013/07/01/map.jpg[/image]

There's a sidewalk in the "backyard". These are generally designed for foot traffic, meaning the architects of the community planned for such foot traffic.

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I don't think Zimmerman made the decision to use his gun until he felt his life was in danger. I do believe that he was responsible for the events leading up to that point though.

Then he didn't use force or evenintend to use force untill he was attacked, this is self defense.

The only person that said that it was Martin that did the attacking was Zimmerman. The facts and evidence at the crime scene didn't match the story that the lying Zimmerman told. The actual evidence shows that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and that Martin fought back, and when he fought back and was winning, the coward lying Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot Martin.

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I am not arguing any case, you are the one arguing, I simply said, I see a stalker, I will feel I am in personal danger, and blow his ass away, cuz I dont want him to blow mine away.

Zimmerman should get the noose.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am not arguing any case, you are the one arguing, I simply said, I see a stalker, I will feel I am in personal danger, and blow his ass away, cuz I dont want him to blow mine away.
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/2015/12/26/warner-robins-man-shoot-kills-alleged-robber/77917686/
Warner Robins man shoots, kills alleged robber

9:28 p.m. EST December 26, 2015

A Warner Robins man told police that he shot and killed a man who tried to rob him.

According to police, it happened around 8:10 p.m. on Christmas night on the 100 block of Oakridge Drive.

Police say Antonio Bagley, 29, told them Jerrell Walker tried to rob him so he fired his pistol at him. Walker later died from a gunshot wound to the torso.

Bagley has not been charged, and the case is still under investigation.

Anyone with information on the case can call Macon Regional Crimestoppers at 1-877-68-CRIME.

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ORIGINAL: http://www.click2houston.com/news/woman-shoots-home-intruder-in-north-harris-county
Woman shoots home intruder in north Harris County

Posted: 9:51 PM, December 25, 2015

HARRIS COUNTY, Texas - A woman shot and wounded a man who tried to break into her north Harris County apartment.

The home invasion happened in the 5000 block of Azalea Trace Drive.

Deputies said the man was trying to climb in through a window, when the woman fired several shots, striking him twice.

The thief ran to a waiting car and ended up at Houston Northwest Medical Center.

No one else was hurt.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/12/26/whitehall-homicide.html

http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/article_62e1a58d-383e-51d5-a10d-b3354535c3c6.html

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/12/26/augusta-police-seek-clues-on-dead-couple-in-suv/

http://wkrg.com/2015/12/26/shooting-at-prichard-barbershop-leaves-one-dead/

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2015-12-25/story/christmas-night-shooting-leaves-2-year-old-3-others-shot-jacksonvilles

http://whnt.com/2015/12/27/christmas-night-movie-theater-shooting-in-mobile-leaves-four-injured/


All my links were from the wapo site, for the full list, you might wanna try the other link in the article I posted.
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

From your first link: 4 were shot, 1 was run over. Of the 4 shot, 3 occurred during robberies. 1 person that was shot several times was found behind a vacant house. No clue yet as to motive. The 1 person that was ran over was ran over by a driver that...according to witnesses...seemed to do so maliciously.

From your second link: A 73 year old woman killed her husband over "marital issues and numerous infidelities".

From your third link: 2 people found shot to death in a double homicide in a car on a dirt road. Police are following up on clue but ruled it a homicide.

From your fourth link: An anti-crime advocate was shot in the back and the head. Again, clearly a homicide. (The method is indicative of those involved in criminal activities sending a message)

From your fifth link: 4 shot in Jacksonville, Florida. 1 toddler, 2 teens, 1 21-year-old. No one killed. Happened in a known criminal/gang area of Jacksonville.

From your sixth link: 4 injured in a shooting in Mobile, Alabama. The two gunmen...alleged to be teenagers, fled the scene (teenagers with guns. Hmm...illegal)

From your seventh link: there are 10 deaths listed, one of them self-inflicted.

That's 18 deaths from guns (1 self-inflicted). There's a 9 person discrepancy. Where's the other 9? Gang violence in Detroit...Chicago?

I didnt state the diiferences, they are all linked from the original article.
Im guessing you expect me to dissect it like you want. No.
Guns, and death....death doesnt discriminate.

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I am not arguing any case, you are the one arguing, I simply said, I see a stalker, I will feel I am in personal danger, and blow his ass away, cuz I dont want him to blow mine away.
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Being followed doesn't fit the "intent, means, and opportunity" criteria for defensive use of a firearm.

Furthermore, if you believe Zimmerman was/is guilty, would this not put you in a nearly identical position?

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am not arguing any case, you are the one arguing, I simply said, I see a stalker, I will feel I am in personal danger, and blow his ass away, cuz I dont want him to blow mine away.
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Being followed doesn't fit the "intent, means, and opportunity" criteria for defensive use of a firearm.

Furthermore, if you believe Zimmerman was/is guilty, would this not put you in a nearly identical position?

Ja, if that does not fit the criteria, then Zimmie is guilty.

It puts me in the identical position, but it seems to be a legal one, blow away these people, because I fear for my life.