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ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:00:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic This is something you have done your self.... Or i would like a source. Otherwise ill declare shennannigans and obfuscation plus a fair amount of bullshit. No, I did not do it myself as I lack any form of Photoshop technique. Again, the source is the FBI data you yourself posted several times in this very thread. You are free to verify it if you'd like. You are also free to declare shenanigans; I figured you would as it disagrees with your world view.

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:04:36 PM)
So you have an original source for the picture itself.? Thats no more believable than you are. Cite it or quit pulling my dick Apart from the fact that you have absconded with truth, your pic does not take into account how they came to their figures, it is not just based on gun deaths, in their rankings. So you either didnt read or couldnt comprehend the differences. Or just lied. Knowing your world view, nothing surprises me.

ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:12:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic So you have an original source for the pictue itself.? Thats no more believable than you are. Cite it or quit pulling my dick A coworker found it and we spent the better part of a boring meeting verifying the data this afternoon. As I've said three times now, the data is from the FBI reports, ironically from the links you've posted. I don't see how having a link would disprove the contents. Is it ironic that you blindly trust the Gun Law Scorecard website when they gave California an A- rating but Texas an F rating yet are hesitant to trust (or verify) anything that may shatter that view?

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:15:32 PM)
As i said you n your co worker thought the ranking were just gundeaths. Their ranking is to do with more than deaths So you wasted an afternoon and got it wrong....good job its a friday.

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:17:00 PM)
So no link no proof the figs are even accurate and you expect me to even look at it without laughing..... You're nuts.

ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:32:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic As i said you n your co worker thought the ranking were just gundeaths. Their ranking is to do with more than deaths So you wasted an afternoon and got it wrong....good job its a friday. Your propaganda site uses "gun deaths" as a ranking and the image on the main page says "10 states with the highest gun death rates". It attempts to correlate lax gun laws with gun deaths, implying stricter gun laws lead to fewer deaths. It even has suggestions on how to improve the rating and thus, one would hope, lower the homicide rate. As Maryland has very strict gun laws and an A- then surely their homicide rate would be lower than that of Utah, which has comparatively lax gun laws and an F rating. This is not the case. Again, it's almost like murderers don't give a shit about laws; stricter gun laws will not and do not prevent gun-related homicides.

ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:35:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic So no link no proof the figs are even accurate and you expect me to even look at it without laughing..... You're nuts. Again, the FBI data you linked to was used to verify the numbers. You are free to verify them yourself as you undoubtedly verified the data on the GunLawScorecard website before believing it wholeheartedly.

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:44:23 PM)
You are a bigger joke than i thought, un sourced material is not fact. Its fiction without data. You can rabbit shit all day but without sources its just bullshit opinion

ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 6:47:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic You are a bigger joke than i thought, un sourced material is not fact. Its fiction without data. You can rabbit shit all day but without sources its just bullshit opinion You may now return to your echo chamber. Have a wonderful night.

epiphiny43 -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 7:00:28 PM)
It's all propaganda till 'gun deaths' are separated into actual classes of events. Accidents, suicides, homicides, etc. High gun ownership states have higher accident and suicide rates by guns. DUH! Background checks help these?? Whether total suicide rate corresponds to gun ownership needs more study. The US has nothing like the suicide rates of several low gun ownership countries near the Arctic Circle, implying terrible weather is a bigger factor, along with alcohol use and cultural attitudes. These others are completely different problems than homicides, the area where background checks and close monitoring of gun sales and transfers may help. Last I remember, a number of US areas had more suicides by gun than homicides. Which isn't even close to stats from urban centers with low gun ownership and lots of low income neighborhood crime and drug gang wars that spike homicide rates. When intramural gang wars are separated out, US gun death numbers plummet. Not sure it's useful to even consider gun laws affecting a culture that is importing over $100,000,000,000 (Yes, Billions) of illegal drugs into the country yearly. If anyone really needed a lesson in the futility of restrictive laws, minus a massive cultural imperative to solve a problem, the Drug War is the poster child. We have the most imprisoned society ever seen on Earth, and the biggest drug problem in the First World, by a factor of about 10. If Hollywood spent a quarter of the effort against violence and drug use they spend promoting addictive products and commercial product placement in general, both the gun violence and the drug problems in the US would vanish.

BamaD -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 7:28:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 It's all propaganda till 'gun deaths' are separated into actual classes of events. Accidents, suicides, homicides, etc. High gun ownership states have higher accident and suicide rates by guns. DUH! Background checks help these?? Whether total suicide rate corresponds to gun ownership needs more study. The US has nothing like the suicide rates of several low gun ownership countries near the Arctic Circle, implying terrible weather is a bigger factor, along with alcohol use and cultural attitudes. These others are completely different problems than homicides, the area where background checks and close monitoring of gun sales and transfers may help. Last I remember, a number of US areas had more suicides by gun than homicides. Which isn't even close to stats from urban centers with low gun ownership and lots of low income neighborhood crime and drug gang wars that spike homicide rates. When intramural gang wars are separated out, US gun death numbers plummet. Not sure it's useful to even consider gun laws affecting a culture that is importing over $100,000,000,000 (Yes, Billions) of illegal drugs into the country yearly. If anyone really needed a lesson in the futility of restrictive laws, minus a massive cultural imperative to solve a problem, the Drug War is the poster child. We have the most imprisoned society ever seen on Earth, and the biggest drug problem in the First World, by a factor of about 10. If Hollywood spent a quarter of the effort against violence and drug use they spend promoting addictive products and commercial product placement in general, both the gun violence and the drug problems in the US would vanish. Don't forget Japan, traditionally one of the highest suicide rates in the world and it sure isn't because they have so many guns.

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 7:36:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I wonder what the NRA are going to make of this... http://gunlawscorecard.org/ [image]https://i.imgur.com/cXNZnVm.jpg[/image] Lol I know that chart is bullshit. It says Texas doesn't require background check. I had to wait a week for mine to come back. Left wing propaganda is all I can say to that

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 7:42:16 PM)
And he's rigth BTW states with stricter gunlaws have higher gun related crime. That's on the FBI charts you posted. Seems that you're the one that's trying to manipulate the data. Typical liberal! Nothing but lies...

BamaD -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/18/2015 7:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I wonder what the NRA are going to make of this... http://gunlawscorecard.org/ [image]https://i.imgur.com/cXNZnVm.jpg[/image] Lol I know that chart is bullshit. It says Texas doesn't require background check. I had to wait a week for mine to come back. Left wing propaganda is all I can say to that I have heard that lie repeatedly, it is federal law, everywhere requires a background check.

lovmuffin -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 3:36:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 It's all propaganda till 'gun deaths' are separated into actual classes of events. Accidents, suicides, homicides, etc. High gun ownership states have higher accident and suicide rates by guns. DUH! Background checks help these?? Whether total suicide rate corresponds to gun ownership needs more study. The US has nothing like the suicide rates of several low gun ownership countries near the Arctic Circle, implying terrible weather is a bigger factor, along with alcohol use and cultural attitudes. These others are completely different problems than homicides, the area where background checks and close monitoring of gun sales and transfers may help. Last I remember, a number of US areas had more suicides by gun than homicides. Which isn't even close to stats from urban centers with low gun ownership and lots of low income neighborhood crime and drug gang wars that spike homicide rates. When intramural gang wars are separated out, US gun death numbers plummet. Not sure it's useful to even consider gun laws affecting a culture that is importing over $100,000,000,000 (Yes, Billions) of illegal drugs into the country yearly. If anyone really needed a lesson in the futility of restrictive laws, minus a massive cultural imperative to solve a problem, the Drug War is the poster child. We have the most imprisoned society ever seen on Earth, and the biggest drug problem in the First World, by a factor of about 10. If Hollywood spent a quarter of the effort against violence and drug use they spend promoting addictive products and commercial product placement in general, both the gun violence and the drug problems in the US would vanish. This is probably the most useful post on the last few pages of this thread. The gun grabbers can't seem to get past their utopian world view. It doesn't matter what you want to ban or restrictt, particularly drugs, not to mention alcohol or abortions. If there is a demand for it, restrictions will only exaserbate the problem.

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 4:46:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious And he's rigth BTW states with stricter gunlaws have higher gun related crime. That's on the FBI charts you posted. Seems that you're the one that's trying to manipulate the data. Typical liberal! Nothing but lies... that picture, is one that ifmaz made up himself. The original came from the site I posted wanting to know what the NRA will make of it.... Someone went over it in a paint program and added parts, which is WHY I called it bullshit. He posted it without a source, a cite or a weblink. It has nothing to back it up, he just posted it as if it was the holy grail. But nice try. BY the way, YOUR insistence, my second link showed only 6000 deaths(by race) which means that the FBI is wrong.... is so much idiocy in one sentence I had to take the night off. at the bottom of the page are the following "notes" 1 The ethnicity totals are representative of those agencies that provided ethnicity breakdowns. Not all agencies provide ethnicity data, therefore the race and ethnicity totals will not equal. 2 Includes American Indian or Alaska Native; Asian; Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. NOTE: This table is based on incidents where some information about the offender is known by law enforcement; therefore, when the offender age, sex, and race are all reported as unknown, these data are excluded from the table. THe information is just a subset of the main data that claims 11k gun deaths. Of course if you can come up with government data (that states only 6000 were killed) go right ahead....otherwise... its not me thats the liar. you havent proven me to be wrong, neither has ifmaz. All you have is your own belief system, and obfuscation. you changed the goalposts so many times you couldnt even keep up with yourself. If you are an independent, Im the queen of narnia

Termyn8or -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 5:50:50 AM)
Bottom line, the supreme court has spoken and that is that. And you gunless motherfuckers (if you don't want people to have guns of course you don't have them right ? RIGHT ?) are coming to take my guns ? Good fucking luck. Sure, you get them lead end first. Or you can send the cops, WITH GUNS to come and get dropped. I still know how to shoot. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 5:52:56 AM)
And they fucking don't. Forty one rounds toward a guy with a knife. I would have fired every one of them, the chief and all of them. In fact, the criminals in that town should just get in a gunfight with the cops and they are all "fired" LOL. Fucking non shooting assholes. T^T (41 rounds !, god damn)

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 7:43:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious And he's rigth BTW states with stricter gunlaws have higher gun related crime. That's on the FBI charts you posted. Seems that you're the one that's trying to manipulate the data. Typical liberal! Nothing but lies... that picture, is one that ifmaz made up himself. The original came from the site I posted wanting to know what the NRA will make of it.... Someone went over it in a paint program and added parts, which is WHY I called it bullshit. He posted it without a source, a cite or a weblink. It has nothing to back it up, he just posted it as if it was the holy grail. But nice try. BY the way, YOUR insistence, my second link showed only 6000 deaths(by race) which means that the FBI is wrong.... is so much idiocy in one sentence I had to take the night off. at the bottom of the page are the following "notes" 1 The ethnicity totals are representative of those agencies that provided ethnicity breakdowns. Not all agencies provide ethnicity data, therefore the race and ethnicity totals will not equal. 2 Includes American Indian or Alaska Native; Asian; Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. NOTE: This table is based on incidents where some information about the offender is known by law enforcement; therefore, when the offender age, sex, and race are all reported as unknown, these data are excluded from the table. THe information is just a subset of the main data that claims 11k gun deaths. Of course if you can come up with government data (that states only 6000 were killed) go right ahead....otherwise... its not me thats the liar. you havent proven me to be wrong, neither has ifmaz. All you have is your own belief system, and obfuscation. you changed the goalposts so many times you couldnt even keep up with yourself. If you are an independent, Im the queen of narnia Ahh I see you're learning something... Now why would certain agencies not know the perpetrators race? Could it be that who ever shot the guy got away with it? Or that the police didn't care to investigate the death of a gang banger? The only way that can happen would be an untraceable firearm. Meaning it was not legally purchased here in the states. It was either stolen or came from another country. Either way those unknown factors all basically lead to the same point which is criminal activity not a law abiding citizen exercising the 2nd. If seen you twist info one way or the other on your charts how ever it suits your needs but the facts are facts. DC has the strictest gunlaws but also have the highest gun crime explain that one away! After that detroit, Chicago, Baltimore! What do all those places have in common? A huge black population! You can be as politically correct about it as you want but it doesn't change the facts!

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 8:30:49 AM)
ask the fbi.... im not responsible for your inability to see facts.

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