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ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 9:16:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic that picture, is one that ifmaz made up himself. The original came from the site I posted wanting to know what the NRA will make of it.... Someone went over it in a paint program and added parts, which is WHY I called it bullshit. He posted it without a source, a cite or a weblink. It has nothing to back it up, he just posted it as if it was the holy grail. But nice try. ... Did you verify the data on your "holy grail" GunLawScorecard website, specifically the "gun death rankings", or did you believe it because it agrees with your current views on firearms? You can point, laugh, and call names all you want, but you are a hypocrite.

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 9:53:29 AM)
You havent verified a damn thing, so why would I continue to argue with someone who cant be truthful, factual or admit he fucked up.

ifmaz -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 10:07:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic You havent verified a damn thing, so why would I continue to argue with someone who cant be truthful, factual or admit he fucked up. Nor have you verified a damn thing. You posted a link to a website whose data you didn't verify yet took it as the truth; you fucked up. I posted an image refuting that website and you claim I'm lying and demand sources, which is more than a little ironic. You are a hypocrite.

Lucylastic -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 10:30:23 AM)
fbi data is fbi data, I havent altered anything, not once, and provided links. You refuted nothing. you tried an failed. You gave no source. You gave nothing but a photoshopped pic, with zero explanation until pushed. Then you claimed its proof...its NOT All the while ignoring the background of the data at the site. You still havent addressed it. Cant or wont I dont care. so you can stop projecting.

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 12:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: joether I never stated I was against the 2nd amendment being ban. I just want its uncorrupted state to be made the law of the land once more. You want a gun? Protected under the 2nd amendment? Your joining a well regulated militia! You'll have a commanding officer whom is accountable to civilian government. From the local government on up to the Governor of the state (and even the President). You'll be following rules and regulations like everyone else. You'll be expected to maintain a healthy body with yearly check ups and mental/emotional health screenings. Just like we do with the local police! Don't want all that responsibility and duty? Then you don't need the protection of the 2nd amendment for your arms. Really Birdbrain ??? You're regurgitating this nonsensical bullshit yet again ??? quote: ORIGINAL: Not really hard to do. I don't even have to show up at your door. In fact, you'll be handing them over at the police station if this nation decided to restrict/ban firearms. You are an 'honest and law abiding' citizen, are you not? If such laws were pass restricting/banning your specific arms, you would turn them over (after a legal discussion in the courses), correct? Yeah right Birdbrain, we'll all be running our asses off down to the station to turn 'em in. ROFLMFAO. Maybe they can melt them down and make a penguin statue out of the molten steel. quote: ORIGINAL: OK, this is not even remotely based on reality.... If firearms are your only form of 'real protection', then try this....LOCK YOUR DOORS! GET A DOG! HAVE A BIG FENCE! Place a sign that says "Landmines". We could try those things, and they are all good ideas but if they fail, and in the unlikely event you need a gun, there is no substitute. quote: ORIGINAL: When we keep track of arms and whom is selling what to whom, ....... One use of the word " whom" is correct and one is not. I'll bet ya can't guess which is which......or is that witch ????? Lol get a dog build a bigger fence .. I could do that but thanks to liberal imposed home owner's associations its not possible in every neighborhood. Liberals wanna make it easy for would be thieves. So my Pitt bull bites some fuck that tries to break in then what? I'll have some liberal lawsuit on my ass because my dog wasn't kennelled. How stupid can you people get?

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 12:59:57 PM)
Oh and the second is there so we can form a well regulated malitia. Most likely former military officers and soldiers if needed. The NRA lays the ground work for all that! It's covered buddy! Lol

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 1:07:57 PM)
Yeah I'm running Photoshop 11 on my cellphone. I asked you what numbers you're gonna stick with! 100, 30, or 6k? You've mentioned all 3 so far as the actual number of gun homicides so far! I've posted what the CDC came up with as far as legal drug deaths and motor vehicle deaths. So if you're saying the CDC is photoshopping then that refutes any graphs you or your liberal buddies have posted from the CDC website! All other combined sources I've posted can be traced back to either the FBI or CDC. Every chart tells you where it came from. Feel free to cross check!

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 1:58:44 PM)
We couldn't stop alcohol during the prohibition, we can't stop drugs, we can't stop guns. Where there is demand there will be supply. When we prohibited alcohol people built stills and alcohol funded the mob for years we also got NASCAR out of it which I think is the dumbest form of racing ever.... We banned drugs and since then drugs that are now illegal have skyrocketed in popularity. If we ban guns anyone that has a lathe or small cnc machine can fill the gap in supply. All you will manage to create is another criminal empire that supply's untraceable guns. I don't see how that is so difficult for libtards to understand? All the laws you put in place create more criminals. Who gives a shit if a gun holds 10 or 13 rounds its just as deadly! All you did was create more criminals. If you get caught with a 13 round mag in Chicago you go to jail if you get caught with a 10 round its OK! Fucking libtarded!

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 2:04:32 PM)
I can't wait for one of you to say when we banned booze it worked BTW! Please please do I need another good laugh!

Termyn8or -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 3:28:08 PM)
Cuck..., they will never listen. What is more, I find it hard to believe that so many people are stooooppid enough to want to give up their best form of self defense. therefore I have come to the conclusion that they, like the government (or they are IN the government) want to take guns away from EVERYONE ELSE, yet keep their own. This backfired in Cleveland one time. A city councilman's house was robbed. Cintroen was his name. This town had pretty strict gun control until Castle Law Doctrine and would bet he voted for it. his olady got home, found out, called the police. They were asking what was taken and she mentioned a gun. Well the gun had not been stolen and they arrested her for having it IN THE HOUSE. If he kept a gun in his house he SHOULD have been working to make it legal for all Citizens to keep a gun in their house. Then his olady went to jail. Just like these holy roller fucking neoconfidence Men who are against abortion and homosexuality, that is until they knock up their mistress and she needs a D&C or their sone comes out of the closet. Fuck all of them. One of these days they are going to tell me I only have a month to live or some shit, at that time I will be taking names. Fuck ALL these motherfuckers, and the people who support them. And guns ? Bottom line : Come and get it bitch. I can still shoot good enough that you will die trying. T^T

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 3:41:35 PM)
Well I wouldn't go as far as taking names if I'm in my death bed but if they want my guns they will have to come and get it. You gotta love double standards... On I bright side I haven't heard from any gun grabbers. I guess they gave up like they do with everything in life. We can't get them jobs... Fuck it lets just give them money, we can't stop drugs... Fuck it lets start legalizing them. I'm sure once they realize they can't stop guns they will own one eventually lol...

DesideriScuri -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 4:40:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Apart from the fact that public health is a large part of their mission. And shootings not only kill people but maim, injure and mutilate members of the public. If you dont think its a public health issue, show me a tool that isnt regulated that kills and maims so many people a year.....anywhere. Show me where guns aren't regulated. Does the CDC research knives? They are killing tools, too. Does the CDC research gang violence? That's a health hazard, isn't it? The CDC isn't the right governmental body for gun research. The NIH (that another poster brought up as a potentially good place for the research) is more aligned with the medical aspects of health, so that body is out, too. The FBI, though, is already doing research into gun violence. Why not keep it there?

DesideriScuri -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 4:45:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I wonder what the NRA are going to make of this... http://gunlawscorecard.org/ If I were the NRA, I'd expose it as partisan propaganda. That's all it is. Did you not note their methodology? Prove its propoganda, please....before the nra or rwnj talking points gives you a clue From their site: quote: HOW WE GRADE THE STATES The Law Center has over 20 years of experience tracking, analyzing, and evaluating gun laws. We used that expertise to develop a comprehensive point system to measure the relative strength of state gun laws. Requiring universal background checks received the most points because closing the private sale loophole has the best potential to keep guns out of dangerous hands and save lives. States earned points for other smart gun laws, such as prohibiting domestic violence offenders from accessing guns, limiting bulk firearms purchases, and preventing people on the terror watchlist from buying guns. States lost points for laws that weaken public safety, such as permitting guns in schools and bars, “Stand Your Ground” laws that remove accountability from deadly shootings, and allowing concealed carry in public without a permit. Especially dangerous are preemption laws, where states prohibit local governments from passing their own gun ordinances. Learn more about these and other gun laws on our policy page. After tallying points, we ranked the states accordingly and assigned letter grades. States that enacted lifesaving gun reforms in 2015, like Oregon and Delaware, increased their point totals from last year, while points fell for states that weakened their laws. For our comparison with state gun death rates, we used the CDC’s Fatal Injury Report. Take a deeper dive into the CDC’s troubling data on gun deaths. Their bias is showing. No weightings are presented. And, yes, Lucy, I actually did read the methodology part before I responded. I have no contact with the NRA or the rwnj, either.

Cuckingcurious -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 4:57:04 PM)
The whole article is bs... Texas got an f but meets all of the requirements. Universal background check, permit for concealed carry, no guns in schools or bars or courts etc. It's leftist propaganda...

DesideriScuri -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/19/2015 5:00:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious The whole article is bs... Texas got an f but meets all of the requirements. Universal background check, permit for concealed carry, no guns in schools or bars or courts etc. It's leftist propaganda... I know. And, that's why I said if I were the NRA, I'd expose it as the leftist propaganda it is.

Termyn8or -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/20/2015 12:57:56 PM)
Do people realise how DIFFERENT we are here because of this ? I been online with people in OZ and UK and after enough correspondence, with them trying to tell me that we MUST get rid of the guns in private hands, I have concluded that they are jealous. Either that or they spout their illogical shit to appease their Masters who cannot5 be overthrown because the pEOPLE have no weapons worth mentioning. And at one group at the other place (fetlife, The Political Arena) you are not allowed to tell them to mind their own fucking business. Guess what. T^T (edited because the "E" is too close to the "W")

BamaD -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/20/2015 1:05:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Do people realise how DIFFERENT we are here because of this ? I been online with people in OZ and UK and after enough correspondence, with them trying to tell me that we MUST get rid of the guns in private hands, I have concluded that they are jealous. Either that or they spout their illogical shit to appease their Masters who cannot5 be overthrown because the pEOPLE have no weapons worth mentioning. And at one group at the other place (fetlife, The Political Arena) you are not allowed to tell them to mind their own fucking business. Guess what. T^T (edited because the "E" is too close to the "W") It is their bussiness to tell us what to do, but it isn't our business to tell them what to do.

joether -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/20/2015 1:53:59 PM)
Nine pages.... ...Nine pages of conservatives trying to stop the CDC from examining the firearm culture in America. But the arguments are neither rational nor useful. Nine pages of irrational arguments that the CDC should 'mind its own business' rather than examine in detail the problems surrounding mass shootings that are now commonplace in America. One would think after nine pages, these conservatives would realize that there is more support for the CDC examining the firearm culture that is wrecking the nation, then opposing. They are completely afraid of the CDC using science to determine all their gun myths are full of shit! All their fantasies are of the 'lunatic' variety rather than 'conscious, consistent, and rational behavior'. Gun nuts state that they need guns to protect themselves from criminals and terrorists that have guns. Yet some criminals and terrorists use bombs; where are all the arguments from these people to arm themselves with bombs? After all, the only way to kill a bad guy with a bomb is with a good guy with a bomb, right? An not just do studies based on looking at numbers data from the FBI and other sources; but semi-live fire exercises. Using paint rounds and determining how well a CCW can handle an active shooter. Showing people that live in reality rather than a fantasy world; what to expect if they had a firearm in a variety of situations. From the classic convenience store heists on up to a full assault by a dozen intruders. All the things the gun nuts are deathly afraid of: seeing their viewpoints cut down by science one at a time. Yes, the arguments from the conservative gun nut crowd have been....lame.... Not one real argument for...WHY....should the CDC....NOT....investigate, study, and exam the firearm culture in America. You want to throw around the 2nd amendment? It wouldn't be a precedent for an amendment to be revoked from law. Particularly when the science comes back that the amendment has been corrupted. Corrupted to allow a mentality loose on the general public that is very unhealthy to a society's long term advancement. A mentality that is equal parts 'paranoia' and 'schizophrenia'. What percentage of gun owners suffer from mental and/or emotional problems? We have no visibility on that understanding right now. What percentage of those gun owners are more at rise of 'anger management issues' / 'road rage' with a firearm in easy access? Not a single gun nut can produce that information from legitimate sources and/or studies. Therefore, since they are 'unethical', these and other questions should be fully studied. The information helping law enforcement, legal scholars, psychologists, and even average US Citizens in making good firearm laws. Why are the gun nuts so afraid of science? And of them able to give a rational answer?

Hillwilliam -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/20/2015 2:02:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Nine pages.... ...Nine pages of conservatives trying to stop the CDC from examining the firearm culture in America. But the arguments are neither rational nor useful. Nine pages of irrational arguments that the CDC should 'mind its own business' rather than examine in detail the problems surrounding mass shootings that are now commonplace in America. One would think after nine pages, these conservatives would realize that there is more support for the CDC examining the firearm culture that is wrecking the nation, then opposing. They are completely afraid of the CDC using science to determine all their gun myths are full of shit! All their fantasies are of the 'lunatic' variety rather than 'conscious, consistent, and rational behavior'. Gun nuts state that they need guns to protect themselves from criminals and terrorists that have guns. Yet some criminals and terrorists use bombs; where are all the arguments from these people to arm themselves with bombs? After all, the only way to kill a bad guy with a bomb is with a good guy with a bomb, right? An not just do studies based on looking at numbers data from the FBI and other sources; but semi-live fire exercises. Using paint rounds and determining how well a CCW can handle an active shooter. Showing people that live in reality rather than a fantasy world; what to expect if they had a firearm in a variety of situations. From the classic convenience store heists on up to a full assault by a dozen intruders. All the things the gun nuts are deathly afraid of: seeing their viewpoints cut down by science one at a time. Yes, the arguments from the conservative gun nut crowd have been....lame.... Not one real argument for...WHY....should the CDC....NOT....investigate, study, and exam the firearm culture in America. You want to throw around the 2nd amendment? It wouldn't be a precedent for an amendment to be revoked from law. Particularly when the science comes back that the amendment has been corrupted. Corrupted to allow a mentality loose on the general public that is very unhealthy to a society's long term advancement. A mentality that is equal parts 'paranoia' and 'schizophrenia'. What percentage of gun owners suffer from mental and/or emotional problems? We have no visibility on that understanding right now. What percentage of those gun owners are more at rise of 'anger management issues' / 'road rage' with a firearm in easy access? Not a single gun nut can produce that information from legitimate sources and/or studies. Therefore, since they are 'unethical', these and other questions should be fully studied. The information helping law enforcement, legal scholars, psychologists, and even average US Citizens in making good firearm laws. Why are the gun nuts so afraid of science? And of them able to give a rational answer? Here's an argument. The CDC stands for the "Center for DISEASE Control". Owning a weapon of any type is not a disease in and of itself. The mental health issues that make someone take the life of another using a rock, gun, knife, van full of fertilizer and diesel, airplane, rope, explosive, poison, etc IS their gig. Unfortunately, during the Reagan administration, mental health care in the US was gutted in part so that St Ron could afford to give the biggest corporate tax cuts in modern history. Mental health, not gun ownership is the problem. Some people do indeed own a lot of guns because their mental health is wonky. Some people go on constant "Guns are evil" tirades because they're crazy as well. [sm=lol.gif] Both need help.

joether -> RE: CDC and Firearms (12/20/2015 2:06:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cuckingcurious The whole article is bs... Texas got an f but meets all of the requirements. Universal background check, permit for concealed carry, no guns in schools or bars or courts etc. It's leftist propaganda... No guns in schools, eh? Maybe your not aware that the Texas Legislation now allows CCWs on campus at the University of Texas. That same bill allows for CCW permit holders to open carry arms. So if they want to go into a bar or school; they can! An Texas does not have universal background checks; since people are not checked at gun shows by private sellers (universal means....EVERYONE that buys a firearm is checked). You might want to update your information.... : for schools, its only allowed if the institution has give prior written statement allowing that individual within the grounds with a firearm. In all other cases, the person can be arrested.

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