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PeonForHer -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 8:57:38 AM)

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doctor? wow, color me surprised. But I am not sure why you think he is the one to qualified to teach racism when you did such a bang up job in post #48.


Your excerpt from Lady C's post would have looked somewhat different if you'd put it in the context of the paragraphs before and after it, THB.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 11:27:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I do disagree a bit that the welfare system should only be temporary, I mean how about the elderly or people with disabilities? Things aren't going to change for them and they aren't worth less as human beings.


You missed the second half of my statement (here in bold):
    quote:

    I really like that idea, LC. The welfare system should only be to help those who need temporary help to get back on their feet and for permanent assistance for those who have no capacity to provide for themselves.






Lucylastic -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 11:28:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.




40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.


Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.








DesideriScuri -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 11:36:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
God, this whole thread is garbage.
• American police officers killed 74 unarmed black people in 2015.
• unarmed black men were seven times more likely than unarmed white men to die by police gunfire.
• An analysis of F.B.I. data from 2010 to 2012 concluded that the police killed black men ages 15 to 19 at a rate 21 times greater than the statistic for white men the same age.


All because they were black, and no other possible reason, right? [8|]




Phydeaux -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 12:03:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.




40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.


Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.







No but I do mind when you make racist, ignorant, illiterate posts about me.

If you actually were literate, you would read where I said that the instance where the cop shot a black man merely walking by, it was murder and he should fry.

Nowhere have I said that cops shooting innocent, unarmed people is ok.


But then, if you're charging a cop, trying to grab his weapon, striking him - you're not innocent. Learn to read.




kdsub -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 12:11:19 PM)

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And another thing, the ONLY reason as to why you hear us say "black people can't be racist" is because we can be ONLY PREJUDICE! To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!


Except for gays




Lucylastic -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 12:15:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.




40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.


Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.







No but I do mind when you make racist, ignorant, illiterate posts about me.

If you actually were literate, you would read where I said that the instance where the cop shot a black man merely walking by, it was murder and he should fry.

Nowhere have I said that cops shooting innocent, unarmed people is ok.


But then, if you're charging a cop, trying to grab his weapon, striking him - you're not innocent. Learn to read.



I dont care what you say to me, you are nothing. Youve made far worse posts to me over the years ducky.
I only respect the forum, by not telling you exactly how repulsive and disgusting I find you.
Im perfectly literate, I simply understand your attempt to back-peddle and plead innocence only too well.




Phydeaux -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 12:30:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/year-of-reckoning-police-kill-nearly-1000/2015/12/26/e9697506-9cfd-11e5-8728-1af6af208198_story.html
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34246-the-washington-post-downplays-the-number-of-people-killed-by-police-in-2015
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/opinion/a-better-standard-for-the-use-of-deadly-force.html?_r=0

there are numerous reports studies and lists of people being killed by cops, black white hispanic and other. That you are trying to compartmentalize and disagree over the numbers with pathetic attempts to downplay police violence brutality and corruption is a fucking joke.
Until someobody gives the FBI and other departments correct accounting of deaths, buy guns, and or cops, it IS under reported.
Instead of placing blame on a colour, why not actually do something about the problem, which is the deaths of so MANY people by questionable methods.




40,000,000 police contacts per year. 400 deaths.
Are you fucking kidding me you think this is a major problem?

that is one fatality per 100,000 interactions. Cops deal with terrorists; they deal with armed people. Domestic violence. People on drugs. Yep. Put me firmly in the attaboy camp.

Blue lives matter.


Blue lives matter, ALL LIVES MATTER,the fact that you are trying to justify cops shooting innocent people, unarmed people as omg a tiny percentage???
you dont think their lives matter. what a surprise.

You wont mind if I and several other millions of people totally disagree with your ignorance.







No but I do mind when you make racist, ignorant, illiterate posts about me.

If you actually were literate, you would read where I said that the instance where the cop shot a black man merely walking by, it was murder and he should fry.

Nowhere have I said that cops shooting innocent, unarmed people is ok.


But then, if you're charging a cop, trying to grab his weapon, striking him - you're not innocent. Learn to read.



Im perfectly literate, I simply understand your attempt to back-peddle and plead innocence only too well.




Liar.

I defy you to show where I have backpedaled one iota.

I said and still maintain that it is not a major problem. 100,000 people die from illness. 50,000 people die from car crashes. 400 people die from police, the vast majority of which I support and commend the police for. Maybe 40 innocent people die a year from the police - which is a shame. But we have means in place to deal with these occurences.

More people die from lightning every year. Yet I don't call that a major problem either.




Phydeaux -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 12:40:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BlackWidowAlma
To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!


Sorry ducky. You don't get to invent meanings.

"A racist - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

So as much as you want to hallucinate and believe that blacks can't be racist, you can and are.




tj444 -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 12:59:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.


well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."


http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/



I can't begin to elaborate on my disdain for using anecdotal stories as if they supported a distorted political conception. Did he go to the school district?
I seriously doubt most schools have graduation records from 28 years earlier.

time and time again you see immigrants comng to this world with nothing - just the shirt on their back. They don't even speak the language.
Why is it that they succeed? Whether you talk about the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war, the Koreans after the Korean war, the irish, the Italians, the Cubans. Mexicans. even Mexicans that are black
they come across the boarder and work to send money to their families back home.

I sure as hell hope that schools have graduation records from the day they opened!!! Omg, you think its no big deal if they dont? How else does anyone prove they graduated then? People are working into their 70s, 80s, even 90s so yeah, those records matter if they are required for the jobs they are applying for.. And fyi, people did complain but were told "oh theres nothing we dont have authority over the isd, blah, blah, blah"..

Obviously he didnt need to prove he graduated until that job required that proof, its pretty hard to do anything about something you arent aware of.. but it wasnt just him.. You are basically saying that their years of studying, getting good grades, graduating wasnt worth doing.. They did work hard to get ahead, just like immigrants do, but they havent gotten credit, jobs and the rewards they should have gotten.. and it wasnt their fault or any of their doing, it wasnt their poor life choice (as you claim and blame black people for)..

There are biases in the US system (schools, jails, banking, credit, loans, etc) that sets mostly poor black and hispanic people up for failure and poverty.. I see it everywhere.. and most of those biases are deliberate and intended to add extra profit to greedy American corporations...




CreativeDominant -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 1:00:34 PM)

Ahhhh...those peaceful Black Lives Matter members (sounds like she's a member of the Victims movement also):

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/massachusetts-woman-calls-for-assassination-of-donald-trump-at-wednesday-rally-is-fired-from-job/




PeonForHer -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 1:24:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: BlackWidowAlma
To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!


Sorry ducky. You don't get to invent meanings.

"A racist - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

So as much as you want to hallucinate and believe that blacks can't be racist, you can and are.


Depends on whether you want to dig deeper into the psychology and sociology of it, Phydeaux. Thus,

"In sociology and psychology, some definitions include only consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4][5] Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[2][6] One view holds that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power' because without the support of political or economic power, prejudice would not be able to manifest as a pervasive cultural, institutional or social phenomenon.[7][8][9] [My bolds.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism




Phydeaux -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 1:25:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Frankly, I wish black lives mattered more. I would like to see more black success stories. But the fact that they don't is more about crime than it is about police brutality. Its more about poor life choices than it is about racism.


well, I guess if being born poor was a "poor life choice" maybe that would be true.. but the fact is that people born poor more often than not dont have anywhere near the resources and opportunities to make good life choices than rich white people have.. that is why there has been a segregation in various cities where the poor (mostly black) people live in certain areas and the rich (mostly white) people live in other areas where poor black people cant afford to live.. the rich areas get the best teachers and schools, the best medical facilities, the most jobs too.. and its getting worse, imo..

As just one example of what poor black people have to live with.. here the North Houston ISD was so badly managed that it had to be taken over by another ISD.. there were many kids whose education records and proof of graduation were no where to be found, those records disappeared.. How does a young black person that went thru school, did his/her best to get good grades and graduate get a job when they cant prove that they even went to school??? How disgusting is that?

"Ortiz is 45 years old and homeless. It s a situation that he says didn t have to happen.

That s because Ortiz was offered a job at Anheuser- Busch s Houston bottling plant last year after he was laid off.

Something to keep me not only on my feet, but to prosper, he told the I-Team.

All that stood between Ortiz and the job was proving he graduated high school.

It should have been no problem. He showed the I-Team a picture of himself in the Forest Brook High School yearbook.

Ortiz was wearing his cap and gown, pictured with his classmates in the class of 1987.

But when Ortiz went to pick up a copy of his high school transcript, he couldn t believe what he was told.

There was no record of transcripts, explained Ortiz. No records of anything. No records of grades, graduation, nothing.

It was like he never attended Forest Brook at all."


http://www.khou.com/story/news/investigations/2014/07/25/12476652/



I can't begin to elaborate on my disdain for using anecdotal stories as if they supported a distorted political conception. Did he go to the school district?
I seriously doubt most schools have graduation records from 28 years earlier.

time and time again you see immigrants comng to this world with nothing - just the shirt on their back. They don't even speak the language.
Why is it that they succeed? Whether you talk about the Vietnamese after the Vietnam war, the Koreans after the Korean war, the irish, the Italians, the Cubans. Mexicans. even Mexicans that are black
they come across the boarder and work to send money to their families back home.

I sure as hell hope that schools have graduation records from the day they opened!!! Omg, you think its no big deal if they dont? How else does anyone prove they graduated then? People are working into their 70s, 80s, even 90s so yeah, those records matter if they are required for the jobs they are applying for.. And fyi, people did complain but were told "oh theres nothing we dont have authority over the isd, blah, blah, blah"..

Obviously he didnt need to prove he graduated until that job required that proof, its pretty hard to do anything about something you arent aware of.. but it wasnt just him.. You are basically saying that their years of studying, getting good grades, graduating wasnt worth doing.. They did work hard to get ahead, just like immigrants do, but they havent gotten credit, jobs and the rewards they should have gotten.. and it wasnt their fault or any of their doing, it wasnt their poor life choice (as you claim and blame black people for)..

There are biases in the US system (schools, jails, banking, credit, loans, etc) that sets mostly poor black and hispanic people up for failure and poverty.. I see it everywhere.. and most of those biases are deliberate and intended to add extra profit to greedy American corporations...


Learn to read. I said nothing of the kind. I said after 28 years he should have gone to the school district.

You may hope that schools have graduation records all you wish. I know that in my state, graduation records are sent to the school district, for archiving and safe keeping. After a certain number of years, to get your graduation records, you have to go to the school district, not the individual school.


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There are biases in the US system (schools, jails, banking, credit, loans, etc) that sets mostly poor black and hispanic people up for failure and poverty.. I see it everywhere.. and most of those biases are deliberate and intended to add extra profit to greedy American corporations...


I have no doubt you see it everywhere. You probably also compare Trump to Hitler, think Bill Clinton really didn't rape Paula Jones, and believe that the bulk of US spending goes to greedy corporations.

Just to play along lets take just one of your examples. You said that biases in American schools are intended to set blacks and hispanics up for failure and poverty AND to add extra profit to greedy american corporations.

Therefore, please give me three examples of biases that are intended to set blacks and hispanics up for failure and add extra profit to greedy american corporations.


1...
2...
3...





Phydeaux -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 1:41:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: BlackWidowAlma
To be RACIST means that YOU are apart of a group of people that, like it or not, CONTINUE to profit from, exploit, and STEAL from, all while using what was STOLEN to build YOUR very own "EMPIRE" upon OUR backs! WE have NEVER benefited from such a fucked up system, towards ANY race!


Sorry ducky. You don't get to invent meanings.

"A racist - a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others."

So as much as you want to hallucinate and believe that blacks can't be racist, you can and are.


Depends on whether you want to dig deeper into the psychology and sociology of it, Phydeaux. Thus,

"In sociology and psychology, some definitions include only consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4][5] Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[2][6] One view holds that racism is best understood as 'prejudice plus power' because without the support of political or economic power, prejudice would not be able to manifest as a pervasive cultural, institutional or social phenomenon.[7][8][9] [My bolds.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism




To which the immediate and obvious rejoinders are:

1. One view of Christmas is that a 400 year old man races down the chimneys of every boy and girl in the world and deposits presents.
Having a view does not confer any accuracy or validity. Clicking one's heels together and wishing that racism means what you wish it to mean is, to use a pun, bootless.

2. But lets take your quote and assume that it is true - that racism is predjudice plus power.

a. Power is the ability to accomplish things. Individuals have mental, physical, spiritual powers. The black man that robs people at gunpoint certainly has power. Mao himself said power flowed from the mouth of a gun. People have the ability to loot, rape, assault etc.

So if these individuals choose only to assault whites - are you seriously suggesting that this kind of racism is impossible?

b. So lets presume you mean institutional power. Such as the power conveyed by civil rights marches, by moral authority, by economic strength, or by voting.
I'm not quite sure where you think that blacks are thereby powerless.

Blacks consistently elect black mayors, city councils etc in places such as baltimore, detroit, washington dc. They organize million man marches, as well as civil rights movements. They have organizations built to foster black policieis such as the Urban League, the congressional black caucus, the NAACP, the Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers.

3. The black panthers have a salute to black power. If black power doesn't exist, what exactly is the symbol of black power?
If it DOES exist - how is a black panther sitting at a polling station and threatening white voters not racism?






PeonForHer -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 1:57:52 PM)

No point in shooting the messenger, Phydeaux - I only gave you the standard definition as per one (actually a quite wide) view in sociology and psychology. [;)]

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b. So lets presume you mean institutional power. Such as the power conveyed by civil rights marches, by moral authority, by economic strength, or by voting.
I'm not quite sure where you think that blacks are thereby powerless.


That would come the nearest to it, I think. However, it's more akin to social and economic class. This has historically been held by whites in the USA, just as it has here in the UK. Certainly this or that individual black person, or group of black people, can demonstrate power at various microcosmic levels. The macro level, however, is entirely different.





Phydeaux -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/3/2016 4:23:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

No point in shooting the messenger, Phydeaux - I only gave you the standard definition as per one (actually a quite wide) view in sociology and psychology. [;)]

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b. So lets presume you mean institutional power. Such as the power conveyed by civil rights marches, by moral authority, by economic strength, or by voting.
I'm not quite sure where you think that blacks are thereby powerless.


That would come the nearest to it, I think. However, it's more akin to social and economic class. This has historically been held by whites in the USA, just as it has here in the UK. Certainly this or that individual black person, or group of black people, can demonstrate power at various microcosmic levels. The macro level, however, is entirely different.





I'm not Peon. I actually appreciated the courteous point. I enjoy jousting with people of different ideas. I prefer it to be civil, as yours was.
I understand the point of view you enumerated.

However, that point of view is vicious racism - something to be combatted whenever possible. To defeat the idea, first it is necessary to defeat the logical underpinning. Which in this case is the idea that blacks cannot be racist because blacks do not have power.

Whereas the reality is blacks have a great deal of power. Whether it is BET, or the hip hop industry, the supreme court, members of congress, the sources of black power are many and varied.

See people that say blacks can't be racist are trying to promote a double standard. They are denying that people that are black don't suffer the same warts as other people.

As if someone that has been raped by a black muslim is any less raped than someone than has been raped by a white man. Furthermore, by seeking to discredit the idea of black racism, they don't want to deal with its corrosive effects in our democracy.

I am symapthetic to the idea that black lives should matter more. We all accept that.
However, its after that that we part company. Policy brutality is inconsequential to why black lives don't matter. Racism is not the main driver why black lives don't matter.

Which I've said before, and no liberal has bothered to dispute - resorting only to name calling. The two biggest bootstraps out of poverty are education and marriage. The lack of these things in the black community are the biggest causes of poverty. You want to protest those - I'll be right beside you. You want to fix those things - I'll vote right beside you.

You want to blame the cops - sorry.




cloudboy -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/5/2016 9:25:10 AM)


I never said per-capita. Most crimes committed in the USA are white-on-white crime. Its an epidemic.

Over two thirds of all crimes in the USA are committed by white people including some 402,470 violent crimes in 2014.

Most of these crimes are white-on-white.

It's kind of stupid to point this out, but you keep idiotically mentioning "black-on-black" crimes when the discussion is the disproportionate use of force by the police against African Americans.




Kirata -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/5/2016 9:41:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I never said per-capita.

Of course you didn't, because you're only interested in pushing a lie of omission that misrepresents the problem.

K.





BamaD -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/5/2016 10:43:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


I never said per-capita. Most crimes committed in the USA are white-on-white crime. Its an epidemic.

Over two thirds of all crimes in the USA are committed by white people including some 402,470 violent crimes in 2014.

Most of these crimes are white-on-white.

It's kind of stupid to point this out, but you keep idiotically mentioning "black-on-black" crimes when the discussion is the disproportionate use of force by the police against African Americans.

And you are trying to ignore the fact of the disprotionate crime rate among blacks, directly related to the use of force against blacks.




Lucylastic -> RE: Black Lies Matter (1/5/2016 11:02:45 AM)

but it isnt because they are black.
but it is simplistic enough for you to hold tightly....




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