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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/2/2016 3:08:31 AM   
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One thing that does emerge clearly is the Netanyahoo and the Israeli Govt actively intervened in domestic US politics.

Interference in domestic policies by a foreign power is generally considered an absolute no-no, regardless of whether that power is deemed a 'friendly' power or otherwise. Just imagine the furore that would have erupted had the interfering foreign power been Iran instead of Israel.

In the final analysis it's up to the people of the US whether they accept a foreign power interfering in their domestic politics. Is this the way that US citizens want their international 'friends' to behave? Is this the manner in which genuine friends of the US behave? Is this the manner in which beneficiaries of US aid (Israel gets >$3billion annually from the US) should behave? What sanctions should be adopted against countries that interfere in US domestic politics?

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/2/2016 3:46:01 AM   
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Do you think the Iran nuclear deal is a kewl idea ? If so, why ?

I think what iran does is none of our business.


Yeah maybe not.......that is until one of those Iranian whack jobs drops a nuke down on someone who otherwise shouldn't be having nukes dropped on them. IMO, Iran having nukes is equivalent to giving control of that red button to Hitler, Charles Manson or any other whack job you can think of.

Remind us again who is the only country to drop a nuclear bomb on anyone?

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/2/2016 3:49:05 AM   
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Why do you think amerika is justified in stealing their money and trying to tell a soverign nation what it may and may not do?

I would rather Amerika steal their money first and try to prevent them from developing nuclear weapons, before Iran wipes Israel off the map, as they always said openly is their goal.


As usual you have your head up your ass and are sitting on your shoulders. No where has iran said such a thing.
Mike wallace confronted imadinnerjacket on 60 minutes with that lie and got it stuffed up his ass.


Which is exactly why, I don't understand why they unfreeze 150billion dollars. It's pretty much giving them leeway to buy as many new weapons as they want.


Perhaps beause it is iran's money.


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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/2/2016 3:53:41 AM   
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Do you think the Iran nuclear deal is a kewl idea ? If so, why ?

I think what iran does is none of our business.


Ever the enemy of the US, you.

How does that make me the enemy of amerika?

Iran signing multiple treaties with the US since '52 makes it our business.

What you mean is our puppet signed multiple treaties with us.

Attacking our embassy - makes it our business.

Why?

Supporting terrorism against our allies makes it our business.

Why?

Crawl back into your hole.

Oh my...how clever from one with the "bunker mentality"

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/2/2016 10:45:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thompson you motherfucker I am over here agreeing with you. As much as we do disagree and I think you are a fucking punk, you do seem to look at international issues internationally. That is not a common trait. Are you even in the US ? Seems like you might be in one of the good countries where the media did not win the right to lie with impunity in court.

One thing, you got balls like mine. Wait until we get into a thread about race or something, we'll probably both get banned. The bottom line is you are right but you have not taken it to the next level.

We got Israel with nukes and them kids definitely WILL blow the fuck pout of the place if they think they are going down. In fact some years ago someone from there bragged they had the ability to hit all the major capitols in Europe. and then we got North Korea, which really has threatened the US, and done nuclear tests and is working on missiles. And what about Pakistan ? The government there is so stable that even if you can trust them you can't.

And why Ukraine ? the US started the shit there to stop Gazprom from gaining a big portion of the natural gas market in Europe. (and Ukraine stole billions worth of gas from that pipeline and is being sued over it, and the only thing in contention is how much) In fact, the shit in Libya is part of the pipeline wars as well. (har har, no pun intended that time) Same thing with Afghanistan, but someone keeps blowing shit up there no matter who we put in the government, or Russia did. And Assad did not use the gas, the gas used has been confirmed by Porton Down (experts on such things) to NOT be the type Assad was known to have.

How did they know what type he had ? THEY SOLD IT TO HIM. Just like Saddam, they knew he had gas because they sold it to him.

these assholes have been stirring the pot until all the hornets are angry and flying, and now offer us protection from the bullshit they caused. There are 2 billion Muslims or something like that. They think they can fight that ?

Well, they think they have allies. After all they are bought and paid for. but then, India didn't want to obey the Iranian sanctions. They applied for a waiver, I am not sure if they got it. China simply said fuck you. All the BRICS countries did.

And remember about the African gold dinar Qaddafi was about to introduce that would hurt the USD ? Guess what Saddam really did. Few people know that he switched to the euro RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS ALL THE SUDDEN AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS, AGAIN, AN IMMINENT THREAT.

And I will tell you this, it really sticks in their craw that Iran banks canot charge compound interest or few other things, and that they can do business just fine without the IMF around. (so can Hungary BTW, their story is encouraging really, as is what happened in Iceland)

It is all about control of the natural or other resources. The "US would love to take over China and be even shittier to the people. But then now things are getting better in China. And things are getting better in Russia. the people actually are patriotic and like being there for the most part. At least Russia anyway. And China, well everyone thinks they live in grass huts and ride bicycles to work for 18 hours a day with bent wheels n shit, but the fact is they got air conditioned cars, advanced public transportation and some even own property. What's more, there was a protest a while back against a sewage treatment plant and the government actually capitulated. The US government never would. We would have another Kent State or Waco here.

No wonder people in other countries do not like what we call "freedom and democracy".

In fact, ask the Venezuelans.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/4/2016 5:29:19 PM   
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Do you think the Iran nuclear deal is a kewl idea ? If so, why ?

I think what iran does is none of our business.


Yeah maybe not.......that is until one of those Iranian whack jobs drops a nuke down on someone who otherwise shouldn't be having nukes dropped on them. IMO, Iran having nukes is equivalent to giving control of that red button to Hitler, Charles Manson or any other whack job you can think of.

Remind us again who is the only country to drop a nuclear bomb on anyone?



Just a note... The Soviet Union tested several nuclear bombs on its own citizens.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/4/2016 5:39:00 PM   
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Do you think the Iran nuclear deal is a kewl idea ? If so, why ?

I think what iran does is none of our business.


Ever the enemy of the US, you.

How does that make me the enemy of amerika?

Iran signing multiple treaties with the US since '52 makes it our business.

What you mean is our puppet signed multiple treaties with us.

Attacking our embassy - makes it our business.

Why?

Supporting terrorism against our allies makes it our business.

Why?

Crawl back into your hole.

Oh my...how clever from one with the "bunker mentality"



Here's the deal. You asked why it was our business. Iran signed a nuclear non proliferation agreement, in which in exchange for certain considerations they agreed to inspections of nuclear sites. They signed the treaty, they never repudiated it - its our business.

When the head of a government threatens an ally (Israel) with annihilation - since we will be contractually bound to defend Israel -it becomes our interest in determing the threat; working to minimize it the threat by diplomatic and other methods (sanctions, stuxnet, regional alliances).

When you work against american interests, it becomes our business.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/4/2016 5:44:26 PM   
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One thing that does emerge clearly is the Netanyahoo and the Israeli Govt actively intervened in domestic US politics.

Interference in domestic policies by a foreign power is generally considered an absolute no-no, regardless of whether that power is deemed a 'friendly' power or otherwise. Just imagine the furore that would have erupted had the interfering foreign power been Iran instead of Israel.

In the final analysis it's up to the people of the US whether they accept a foreign power interfering in their domestic politics. Is this the way that US citizens want their international 'friends' to behave? Is this the manner in which genuine friends of the US behave? Is this the manner in which beneficiaries of US aid (Israel gets >$3billion annually from the US) should behave? What sanctions should be adopted against countries that interfere in US domestic politics?



Tweak... Your is the salient point here. As a Jew who is proud of my heritage and my ancestral link to Israel (both biblically, and as one who lost a great grandfather in the holocaust), I am embarrassed by Netanyahu.

There is a saying among Jewish people (from Europe): "He has a Yiddishe Kopf" (literally "Jewish head") meaning "He is smart.

When I see Netanyahu spputing simplistic dumbed-down neocon talking points on Hannity, I am embarrassed for Israel and my people.

Israeli leadership has been reduced to the same pablum as the Republican party here in the U.S.

It is sad.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/4/2016 11:14:35 PM   
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One thing that does emerge clearly is the Netanyahoo and the Israeli Govt actively intervened in domestic US politics.

Interference in domestic policies by a foreign power is generally considered an absolute no-no, regardless of whether that power is deemed a 'friendly' power or otherwise. Just imagine the furore that would have erupted had the interfering foreign power been Iran instead of Israel.

In the final analysis it's up to the people of the US whether they accept a foreign power interfering in their domestic politics. Is this the way that US citizens want their international 'friends' to behave? Is this the manner in which genuine friends of the US behave? Is this the manner in which beneficiaries of US aid (Israel gets >$3billion annually from the US) should behave? What sanctions should be adopted against countries that interfere in US domestic politics?



Tweak... Your is the salient point here. As a Jew who is proud of my heritage and my ancestral link to Israel (both biblically, and as one who lost a great grandfather in the holocaust), I am embarrassed by Netanyahu.

There is a saying among Jewish people (from Europe): "He has a Yiddishe Kopf" (literally "Jewish head") meaning "He is smart.

When I see Netanyahu spputing simplistic dumbed-down neocon talking points on Hannity, I am embarrassed for Israel and my people.

Israeli leadership has been reduced to the same pablum as the Republican party here in the U.S.

It is sad.

Indeed. When one considers the distinguished contributions to human rights and freedom made by individual Jews across the globe, it becomes clear that the Netanyahoos of this world are aberrations within the Jewish tradition. It is difficult to reconcile their attitudes and behaviour with the concept of tikkun olam, which I understand to be 'making the world right' or 'repairing the world'. The Netanyahoo/Likudnik position is also at radical variance with the ethos of the founders of Israel (even if their own behaviour strayed from those same ethos)

So yes it is indeed a sad place to be caught, between the devil and the deep blue sea. Fortunately there are a number of Jewish voices and organisations emerging that refuse to compromise their commitment to human rights and social justice for tribal loyalty. In the US there are organisations that vary from the moderate reformists such as J Street to more radical groups such as Jewish Voice for Peace that represent these trends.

So if it is any consolation you are far from alone. To their great credit, there are many Jews in the US and elsewhere in the diaspora who share your disquiet and are actively seeking resolution of their dilemma through uncompromising support for human rights, equality, social justice and adherence to the letter and spirit of international law everywhere.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/4/2016 11:22:45 PM   
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One thing that does emerge clearly is the Netanyahoo and the Israeli Govt actively intervened in domestic US politics.

Interference in domestic policies by a foreign power is generally considered an absolute no-no, regardless of whether that power is deemed a 'friendly' power or otherwise. Just imagine the furore that would have erupted had the interfering foreign power been Iran instead of Israel.

In the final analysis it's up to the people of the US whether they accept a foreign power interfering in their domestic politics. Is this the way that US citizens want their international 'friends' to behave? Is this the manner in which genuine friends of the US behave? Is this the manner in which beneficiaries of US aid (Israel gets >$3billion annually from the US) should behave? What sanctions should be adopted against countries that interfere in US domestic politics?



Tweak... Your is the salient point here. As a Jew who is proud of my heritage and my ancestral link to Israel (both biblically, and as one who lost a great grandfather in the holocaust), I am embarrassed by Netanyahu.

There is a saying among Jewish people (from Europe): "He has a Yiddishe Kopf" (literally "Jewish head") meaning "He is smart.

When I see Netanyahu spputing simplistic dumbed-down neocon talking points on Hannity, I am embarrassed for Israel and my people.

Israeli leadership has been reduced to the same pablum as the Republican party here in the U.S.

It is sad.

Indeed. When one considers the distinguished contributions to human rights and freedom made by individual Jews across the globe, it becomes clear that the Netanyahoos of this world are aberrations from the Jewish tradition. It is difficult to reconcile their attitudes and behaviour with the concept of tikkun olam, which I understand to be 'making the world right' or 'repairing the world'. The Netanyahoo/Likudnik position is also at radical variance with the ethos of the founders of Israel (even if their own behaviour strayed from those same ethos)

So yes it is indeed a sad place to be caught, between the devil and the deep blue sea. Fortunately there are a number of Jewish voices and organisations emerging that refuse to compromise their commitment to human rights and social justice for tribal loyalty. In the US there are organisations that vary from the moderate reformists such as J Street to more radical groups such as Jewish Voice for Peace that represent these trends.

So if it is any consolation you are far from alone. To their great credit, there are many Jews in Israel, the US and elsewhere in the diaspora who share your disquiet and are actively seeking resolution of their dilemma through uncompromising support for peace, human rights, equality, social justice and adherence to the letter and spirit of international law everywhere.



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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/4/2016 11:41:08 PM   
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One thing that does emerge clearly is the Netanyahoo and the Israeli Govt actively intervened in domestic US politics.

Interference in domestic policies by a foreign power is generally considered an absolute no-no, regardless of whether that power is deemed a 'friendly' power or otherwise. Just imagine the furore that would have erupted had the interfering foreign power been Iran instead of Israel.




So lets see if you are a hypocrite.

Is it any less clear that the Obummer administration and the democratic party intervened in domestic Israeli politics by sending teams of data analysts, GOTV specialist etc to defeat netanyahu? How about when they spied upon them?

How about when they made the optics as bad as possible - you know not inviting him to camp david, leaving him cooling his heels showing up late to the appointment - or even later, refusing to have an appointment at all.

I'm waiting for your equally vehement condemnation.......

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 1:26:31 AM   
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Is it any less clear that the Obummer administration and the democratic party intervened in domestic Israeli politics by sending teams of data analysts, GOTV specialist etc to defeat netanyahu? How about when they spied upon them?


I have no idea what specific events you are referring to here. But even if we take things at face value, are you seriously suggesting that sending " teams of data analysts, GOTV (sic)specialist etc to defeat netanyahu(sic)" is on a par with actively seeking to influence and/or bribe legislators on matters of global consequence where war and peace are on the line?

As you mentioned the democratic party I'm guessing that the people you referred to were teams of specialists 'loaned' by one US party to another Israeli party for help in organisation and elections, which is a common practice among all parties. The Australian Liberal (Conservative)Party and the UK Conservatives often lend specialists to each other at election times to benefit from each others experience and skills, as so the Aussie Labor and UK Labor parties. This is a perfectly above board exercise between like minded entities and no authoritative commentator I know of has ever suggested it rates along the same lines as spying bribery and vote buying.

If my guess is correct then your attempt to invent an equivalence these two matters is absurd.

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How about when they made the optics as bad as possible - you know not inviting him to camp david, leaving him cooling his heels showing up late to the appointment - or even later, refusing to have an appointment at all.


I'm sorry but how is Obama under any obligation to make Netanyahoo's 'optics' good bad or indifferent? Or under any obligation to grant Netanyahoo an appointment? Given Netanyahoo's consistent public manoeuvres to embarrass or belittle Obama and other US officials over the years, to torpedo US policy and his open alignment with the GOP, Zionists have a nerve to complain about getting the same treatment they dish out. Again, your attempt to attempt to invent an equivalence with the allegations in the OP is absurd.
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I'm waiting for your equally vehement condemnation.......

Have you considered whistling as you await my "equally vehement condemnation"? If the gibberish above is the best you can do, whistling might be your most productive option.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 1:48:28 AM   
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Is it any less clear that the Obummer administration and the democratic party intervened in domestic Israeli politics by sending teams of data analysts, GOTV specialist etc to defeat netanyahu? How about when they spied upon them?


I have no idea what specific events you are referring to here. But even if we take things at face value, are you seriously suggesting that sending " teams of data analysts, GOTV (sic)specialist etc to defeat netanyahu(sic)" is on a par with actively seeking to influence and/or bribe legislators on matters of global consequence where war and peace are on the line?

As you mentioned the democratic party I'm guessing that the people you referred to were teams of specialists 'loaned' by one US party to another Israeli party for help in organisation and elections, which is a common practice among all parties. The Australian Liberal (Conservative)Party and the UK Conservatives often lend specialists to each other at election times to benefit from each others experience and skills, as so the Aussie Labor and UK Labor parties. This is a perfectly above board exercise between like minded entities and no authoritative commentator I know of has ever suggested it rates along the same lines as spying bribery and vote buying.

If my guess is correct then your attempt to invent an equivalence these two matters is absurd.

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How about when they made the optics as bad as possible - you know not inviting him to camp david, leaving him cooling his heels showing up late to the appointment - or even later, refusing to have an appointment at all.


I'm sorry but how is Obama under any obligation to make Netanyahoo's 'optics' good bad or indifferent? Or under any obligation to grant Netanyahoo an appointment? Given Netanyahoo's consistent public manoeuvres to embarrass or belittle Obama and other US officials over the years, to torpedo US policy and his open alignment with the GOP, Zionists have a nerve to complain about getting the same treatment they dish out. Again, your attempt to attempt to invent an equivalence with the allegations in the OP is absurd.
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I'm waiting for your equally vehement condemnation.......

Have you considered whistling as you await my "equally vehement condemnation"? If the gibberish above is the best you can do, whistling might be your most productive option.



So israeli's lobbying to have the iran deal canned is, somehow, worse than the American's spying on the Israelis and using the information gleaned therefrom to defeat the lobbying.

Really? Or put another way, Israel spying on the US is worse than the US spying on Israel? Why exactly?

And somehow you take it as gospel truth that the republicans were 'bribed' when a democratic source makes an unsubstantiated allegation?

You somehow think its a question of war and peace when netanyahu is lobbying and not a matter of war and peace when obama refuses to share details of an Iranian peace deal with a US ally that has been threatened with annihilation by Iran? Yeah, somehow I don't see the difference.

Frankly, tweak your anti Israel anti US screed are well known. You've never criticized the palestinians, arabs or iranians. Please feel free to document a few posts of yours where you have.

Or for that matter, I don't think you ever answered the question - does Israel have the right to exist as a Jewish state? Do you condemn all terrorism against Israel?

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 3:16:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You bet its worse than spying that is what countries do, bribery of nutsuckers is widespread we know that, but it doesnt make that right, they are corporate catamites. Don't buy into nutsuckers want pragmatic, or fiscal responsibility, or security for the nation, they want to rape america.

They are traitors, terrorists, nutsucker goons and thugs, light em up with napalm. Nutsuckers are destroying america.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 3:24:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love how people say it is Obama's deal with Iran, when the US is one nation of many who brokered the deal. China, Russia, France, the U.K. And Germany all had a hand in it

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 3:28:32 PM   
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I love how people say it is Obama's deal with Iran, when the US is one nation of many who brokered the deal. China, Russia, France, the U.K. And Germany all had a hand in it


Since we are giving the Iranians $150 billion dollars, and none of the rest are paying diddley-shit; AND since the US on top of that is paying the claims for people injured by Iranian terrorism yep, its O'stupid's deal.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 10:27:36 PM   
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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/5/2016 11:43:31 PM   
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There is no Iranian terrorism. Name one instance of it.

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From state.gov: Designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1984, Iran continued its terrorist-related activity in 2014, including support for Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza, Lebanese Hizballah, and various groups in Iraq and throughout the Middle East. This year, Iran increased its assistance to Iraqi Shia militias, one of which is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO), in response to the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) incursion into Iraq, and has continued to support other militia groups in the region. Iran also attempted to smuggle weapons to Palestinian terrorist groups in Gaza.

From Wiki: Numerous civilians, including men, women, children, government officials, activists, secular intellectuals and clerics have been victims of assassination, terrorism, or violence against noncombatants, over the course of modern Iranian history.[1]

Several Iranian prime ministers, president, ministers were assassinated by militant groups during the 20th century. Some notable victims are Prime Ministers Mohammad Javad Bahonar, Shapour Bakhtiar, Amir-Abbas Hoveida, Abdolhossein Hazhir and Haj Ali Razmara; President Mohammad Ali Rajai; Head of Judiciary Mohammad Beheshti; Chief Commander of the Army Ali Sayad Shirazi; and Minister of Labor Dariush Forouhar.

Cinema Rex Fire and 1998 Serial Murders of Dissident Intellectuals are among most notable act of terrorism in Iran.

From the Clarion Project [PDF}: Iran has been on the State Department’s list of State Sponsors of Terrorism since
1984. Its 2013 Country Reports on Terrorism states that Iran is supporting Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, the Syrian regime (also labeled a State Sponsor of Terrorism), Houthi rebels in Yemen, Shiite militants in Bahrain and Shiite militias in Iraq.

Plenty more on Google.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/6/2016 7:40:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why is it, that the word "terrorism" holds such double standards? What is this “designated foreign terrorist organization”? who decides who is the terrorist and who is fighting for a reasonable cause? Don’t tell me it’s the West who decides isn't it!.

Iranian fraction groups are opposed to ISIL and have been fighting and supporting groups fighting ISIL so what makes them terrorists when they are fighting the same enemies we are?

If Russia continues to support Assad, should we be calling Putin a terrorist? If I support Palestine over Israel, would that make me a terrorist?

We all know that the planes that flew into the World Trade Centre was an act of terrorism but when the US shot down an Iranian passenger jet killing everyone on board http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/07/remembering-iran-air-flight-655.html the word "terrorism" didn't cross anyone's lips.

You can't just drop a bunch of names and claim they were killed by terrorists acts because some of those named clearly were not. In fact most of those you named were killed or assassinated during revolutionary turmoil during an uprising. Some were caught up in the bombings during the Iranian Revolution, others in the anarchy that comes with that sort of revolution and some were bumped off by government agents similar to our MI5 or CIA. I could give you an equally long list of names our governments suspected of bumping off; does that make our governments terrorists? or just corrupt and somewhat formidable?

Iran have adamantly denied anything other than moral support towards Palestinian groups in Gaza, Lebanon and Hizballah. Do we have definitive proof of Iranian armed involvement? I mean other than the government website.




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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/6/2016 8:02:51 AM   
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There is no Iranian terrorism. Name one instance of it.

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Among the individuals who will be freed from international sanctions under the terms of the nuclear deal between Iran and the West is Anis Naccache, a former lieutenant of of legendary terrorist Carlos the Jackal and attempted assassin of Shahpour Bakhtiar, Iran’s last Shah-era prime minister. Bakhtiar’s nephew, Hooman Bakhtiar, criticized this in an op-ed (Google link) Sunday in The Wall Street Journal.

The shah had attempted to stay in power by appointing the older Bakhtiar, a critic of the Shah, to serve as his prime minister in the waning days of his rule. After the shah fell, Bakhtiar told Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution, to return to his religious duties instead of governing. According to the younger Bakhtiar, “Khomeini never forgave” his uncle, who was forced to flee into exile in Paris. Naccache led a team to kill Bakhtiar in Paris.

But the attempt on Bakhtiar’s life went awry. Mr. Naccache and his team first killed a police officer posted in the building. But they got the wrong apartment door, shooting and killing an elderly French woman and wounding her sister. Unable to break down Bakhtiar’s door, they escaped and were confronted by more French police. In the ensuing firefight the terrorists shot another officer, paralyzing him for life. Mr. Naccache and three accomplices were convicted of murder and handed life sentences in 1982. A fifth team member received a 20-year sentence.

Iran worked to free Naccache, with an associated terrorist group launching of a series of bombings in Paris demanding Naccache’s freedom. Hezbollah kidnapped 16 French nationals in Lebanon for the same reason. In 1990 France released Naccache after their hostages were freed. In 1991, another Iranian attempt to kill Bakhtiar was successful.

Today Anis Naccache describes himself as a businessman. According to a 2003 filing with Iran’s corporate registry, he serves as chairman of the board of the Bazargani Tejarat Tavanmand Saccal company. As a longtime friend of Hezbollah’s terror mastermind Imad Mughniyah—who was assassinated in 2008—Mr. Naccache also became a trusted conduit to Tehran’s terror outpost on the Mediterranean.

In 2008 the European Union determined that Mr. Naccache was linked to Iran’s nuclear-proliferation activities—identifying his association with the same Bazargani Tejarat Tavanmand Saccal firm in its designation. Brussels added him to a sanctions list due to his alleged role in Iran’s nuclear program, not his terrorist past.

The European Union will nonetheless lift sanctions on Naccache as part of the nuclear

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