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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/11/2016 10:25:35 AM   
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Why is it, that the word "terrorism" holds such double standards? What is this “designated foreign terrorist organization”? who decides who is the terrorist and who is fighting for a reasonable cause? Don’t tell me it’s the West who decides isn't it!.

Iranian fraction groups are opposed to ISIL and have been fighting and supporting groups fighting ISIL so what makes them terrorists when they are fighting the same enemies we are?

If Russia continues to support Assad, should we be calling Putin a terrorist? If I support Palestine over Israel, would that make me a terrorist?

We all know that the planes that flew into the World Trade Centre was an act of terrorism but when the US shot down an Iranian passenger jet killing everyone on board http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/07/remembering-iran-air-flight-655.html the word "terrorism" didn't cross anyone's lips.

You can't just drop a bunch of names and claim they were killed by terrorists acts because some of those named clearly were not. In fact most of those you named were killed or assassinated during revolutionary turmoil during an uprising. Some were caught up in the bombings during the Iranian Revolution, others in the anarchy that comes with that sort of revolution and some were bumped off by government agents similar to our MI5 or CIA. I could give you an equally long list of names our governments suspected of bumping off; does that make our governments terrorists? or just corrupt and somewhat formidable?

Iran have adamantly denied anything other than moral support towards Palestinian groups in Gaza, Lebanon and Hizballah. Do we have definitive proof of Iranian armed involvement? I mean other than the government website.





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We all know that the planes that flew into the World Trade Centre was an act of terrorism but when the US shot down an Iranian passenger jet killing everyone on board http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/07/remembering-iran-air-flight-655.html the word "terrorism" didn't cross anyone's lips.


Thats because words have meaning. Shooting down an aircraft is not terrorism.
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terroism: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.


It is when you hope to inspire fear that an act becomes terroristic.

As for cites for iranian terrorism I gave several earlier, and freedom dwarf gave a link to wiki quoting numerous instances of it. Its not hard to find using google. Although I'm surprised you don't know anything about Iranians murdering their own population, considering it was front page news what 5 years ago?

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If Russia continues to support Assad, should we be calling Putin a terrorist?


No. Same answer as before. Terrorists inspire terror. Putin is merely projecting Russian power. Well, thats not true, he's not merely projecting russian power. He's also expelling muslim jihadists from dagestan, chechnya and other predominantly muslim rusian areas - and killing them in syria.



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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/11/2016 10:40:53 AM   
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So basically, the conservatives are pissed that their political party actually took bribes from another nation


LOLOL. Yeah - you have any cites for that? Of course not. You're just huffing ether again.

Just to disabuse you of your delusions


a). Conservatives do not believe lawmakers were bribed by Israel, just because you post a press release from occupydemocrat alleging misdoing.

b). Conservatives have zero problem with Israel trying to lobby that the US do something. Lobbying happens all the time.

c). Conservatives have zero problem with standing with Israel in opposing this ridiculously bad deal.

In fact, I am today going to make an AIPAC donation of $10 to encourage them to keep up the good work.


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What would conservatives demand if Democrats had done something like this?


4. Open the books and make everything public record (whom these traitors talked to, donations taken, etc).
Regardless, those whom have been found to have taken a bribe and actively work to undermine the treaty should be charged and held without bail until the trial is over.



So lets get this straight - you're for revoking usual civil procedure (denying bond) for your political opponents. Well I guess since you also believe in unconstitutional fines, what does it matter if you revoke bail.

As for .. opening the books, find out who the traitors have talked to - its only democrats pushing this. Allow me to point you back to the Lois Lerner cases - where the democrats were demanding membership lists, books read, etc.- and sending the information illegally to various groups - and attempting to have this prosecuted at the DOJ....

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/12/2016 6:55:50 PM   
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Actually, AIPAC brags about "how much they're doing" to solicit more donations.

Being the last part of the name actually stands for "political action committee" which means professional bribe artist, the claim is valid.

"He's also expelling muslim jihadists from dagestan, chechnya and other predominantly muslim rusian areas - and killing them in syria. "

Told you the guy is fucking smart.

T^T

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/12/2016 8:58:47 PM   
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Told you the guy is fucking smart.

T^T


Ahem - tell me when I ever said otherwise.

Putin's intervention in Syrian - for all its geopolitical ramifications - putin's on the right side of history.
Obama dithered away the chance to intervene when the opposition was secular - now jihadist organizations have filled the void. Just like mosul.

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/13/2016 12:12:07 PM   
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You are aware that a huge amount of the money going to Isis comes from Assad trading with them, right?

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RE: Netanyahu bribed Republicans to kill Iran peace deal - 1/13/2016 1:22:45 PM   
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You are aware that a huge amount of the money going to Isis comes from Assad trading with them, right?


Of course.

Huge amount isn't well characterized. Assad bought oil from ISIS. The amount assad bought was less than the amount turkey bought.

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