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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 2:23:22 PM   
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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 2:23:35 PM   
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Banned? Once again you are incorrect. My absence was not due to banning. I did not like how they treated the girl that worked so hard on this site, so for 18 months or so I did not return. Had she put up a competing site I would have visited it. As she did not I am here.




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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 2:46:26 PM   
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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 2:52:56 PM   
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Just curious. So you're ok with them taking over the building as long as they don't have weapons is that right?


And there is your first ad hominem.

This is an ad hominem constructed of a strawman, a contexomy, and all wrapped up in the typical nutsucker loaded question.

attack point fido, convicted out of his own mouth.





Don't know the meaning of contexomy, eh? Nowhere did in my original post did I quote her. Asking what her position is on taking over a building sans arms, is not a personal attack.
you can tell because it asserts nothing about lucy's person; it doesn't disparage her in any fashion. In my reply to you, I quoted her in full. So you can hardly say I shortened her quote, or out of context.

So let me help you out here:

ad hominem: attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument
contextomy: the practice of misquoting someone by shortening the quotation or by leaving out surrounding words or sentences that would place the quotation in context.


Since your recent posts have been inane (saying that the jews believed three hours constitued a day; misquoting my positions; you refusing to address exact points - "I and the father are one"; "he who has seen the son have seen the father"; asserting that I committed contextomy when you know full well I did not, I'm done playing with you for now.

Try harder to come up with a point worth bothering to refute.



sorry, your epic fail with your masturbatory toiletlicking posting that doesnt understand the english language while saying you are too fucking stupid to understand will not further your position that you want to kill jesus and lick trumps ass.


You said a cloud passed overhead and that there was an eclipse. thats just fucking retarded.

insofar as I and my father are one goes, that would be a prima facie lie, since he prayed, father forgive them, and father if it be possible lift this cup from me (not knowing his fathers will as if he had been gods penis or something)
you are on your own.


there is no point in your massive jumble of apologistic fucking stupid, incorrect, unfactual asswipe.

Any way, so we think they are christian terrorists? Crucify the bastards, and then shoot the fucking terrorists seizing a federal reservation.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 2:59:49 PM   
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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 3:38:55 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Republican presidential hopefuls Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) urged a peaceful resolution to the armed occupation of a federal building in Oregon where a number of anti-government militants have seized a rural wildlife refuge headquarters.Every one of us has a constitutional right to protest, to speak our minds, but we don’t have a constitutional right to use force of violence or threaten force of violence on others," Cruz told reporters before a campaign event in Iowa.
"There is no right to engage in violence against other Americans, and it is our hope and prayer that that situation resolves itself peaceably sooner rather than later," he added.
Rubio similarly urged the armed militants to pursue a more peaceful means of protest.
“You can’t be lawless. We live in a republic," the Florida Republican told Iowa radio station KBUR on Monday. "There are ways to change the laws of this country and the policies. If we get frustrated with it, that’s why we have elections. That’s why we have people we can hold accountable.”
At least for the moment, federal authorities are keeping their distance from the remote building near Burns, Oregon, that the group has occupied and have no immediate plans to retake it. The individuals who seized the building have said they'll stay there for "years." They include at least two sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who held his own standoff with federal authorities in 2014.
Bundy drew national media attention and was lionized by Republicans at the time -- including Cruz, who defended the rancher -- for standing up to the federal government. Another Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) recently sat down with Bundy on the campaign trail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-rubio-oregon-standoff_568a9e8de4b0b958f65c2ed1

I was bettin on trump being there first...Im out ten bucks....



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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 3:43:17 PM   
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Republican presidential hopefuls Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) urged a peaceful resolution to the armed occupation of a federal building in Oregon where a number of anti-government militants have seized a rural wildlife refuge headquarters.Every one of us has a constitutional right to protest, to speak our minds, but we don’t have a constitutional right to use force of violence or threaten force of violence on others," Cruz told reporters before a campaign event in Iowa.
"There is no right to engage in violence against other Americans, and it is our hope and prayer that that situation resolves itself peaceably sooner rather than later," he added.
Rubio similarly urged the armed militants to pursue a more peaceful means of protest.
“You can’t be lawless. We live in a republic," the Florida Republican told Iowa radio station KBUR on Monday. "There are ways to change the laws of this country and the policies. If we get frustrated with it, that’s why we have elections. That’s why we have people we can hold accountable.”
At least for the moment, federal authorities are keeping their distance from the remote building near Burns, Oregon, that the group has occupied and have no immediate plans to retake it. The individuals who seized the building have said they'll stay there for "years." They include at least two sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who held his own standoff with federal authorities in 2014.
Bundy drew national media attention and was lionized by Republicans at the time -- including Cruz, who defended the rancher -- for standing up to the federal government. Another Republican presidential candidate, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) recently sat down with Bundy on the campaign trail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-rubio-oregon-standoff_568a9e8de4b0b958f65c2ed1

I was bettin on trump being there first...Im out ten bucks....




I would have taken your bet. Rubio is running as an establishment candidate. Typical law and order.
Trump is running on the fueled up resentments of those abused by the government. Trump will feel no pressing need to comment. He may well do it as a pro forma - or not.


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 3:44:22 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		well he(cruz) supported bundy at the time bundy was "protesting"

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz

What he said then: On Tuesday, Ted Cruz called the Bundy standoff the "the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path that President Obama has set the federal government on.” He added that the reason he believed the story was "resonating" was that the Obama administration has put American liberty "under assault...we have seen our constitutional liberties eroded under the Obama administration."


http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/04/a-list-of-cliven-bundys-supporters-now-that-we-know-hes-a-pro-slavery-racist/361154/

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 4:02:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		"but we don’t have a constitutional right to use force of violence or threaten force of violence on others"

The Declaration Of Independence says we do. Some may argue that that is not actual law, but the fact that it is written in the main founding document of this country must count for something. Lkike the right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness is not in the Costitution but the Declaration, though the Constitution serves to enforce these rights, or should.

"There are ways to change the laws of this country and the policies. If we get frustrated with it, that’s why we have elections. That’s why we have people we can hold accountable.”

Total lies and we all know it. The parties control the candidates. Try to write in a name on an electronic voting machine while you're at it. What's more, we got Sanders who is head and shoulders above anyone else willing to run as a democrat and the parties and the media are going to throw him into the abyss of obscurity. And I am sure there are decent republicans out there smart enough to believe evolution and all that, and let people have abortions. But they will also be sidelined by the parties and the press. There are no free elections, except maybe for dog catcher.

"What he said then: On Tuesday, Ted Cruz called the Bundy standoff the "the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path that President Obama has set the federal government on.”

Also total bullshit. Cliven Buindy has been at this with the federal government for over twenty years. Note that he has been in court quite a few times and as far as I know had never seen the inside of a jail cell over this. WHY ? Because the government is fucking wrong ad while they seem to be able to get some judgements against him, for some reason they are not enforced, or are so wimpy nobody cares.

I am not going to research the body of cases and all that because I am sure they are lengthy. when you get someone who really knows the law and is not bound by oath not to embarrass the court like a lawyer, they have a real hard time with railroading them.

And the law ? Maybe the law DOES say something, but they will not use it. Know why ?

This is the same that started to garnish people's income tax refunds because THEIR SS agency had overpaid their Parents or other relatives. That law is still on the books though they said they were just not going to do it anymore. But they could start again at any time.

this is the same government that rued that if you grow wheat on your property for your own consumption you are engaging in interstate commerce and therefore come under their jurisdiction. the reason ? Because someone in another state has wheat for sale and you, by growing your own are inhibiting that sale.

Alot of people do not agree with my position on these government issues, but they eventually will unless they got rocks in their head. And some do. I don't need to name names.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 4:17:52 PM   
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Not being intellectually honest? You must be referring to the Penguin.


no Im referring to you...Im referring to bounty... Im referring to phydeaux...IM referring to bama


no one ever in my life has referred to me as intellectually dishonest. that's almost as good as "fox news lies" and that ive said all liberals are Nazi's.

I used to think it was just joether who was delusional. you really don't know me at all.

as for the other names in whose camp you put me, I have found them to be the amongst the best reads on the forums...


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 4:27:20 PM   
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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 4:56:08 PM   
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Would not an unarmed demonstration requiring forced eviction been a better option if they desired to bring their case to the American public? This stinks of armed rebellion in my way of thinking and deserves a strong quick response.
What do you think conservative reaction would have been if armed African Americans occupied the Ferguson Missouri City Hall? Would you call them terrorists?
Butch


Actually, if they didn't break in, and were there peacefully, that would be within their Constitutional rights.

Taking over a government building when it wasn't open sounds like it was breaking in, and the thinly veiled threat of retaliation certainly isn't exactly peaceful.

I don't oppose their assembling and petitioning government. I oppose how they did it/are doing it.


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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:02:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't so much oppose it Des, but I wonder just what they hope to accomplish. Maybe they have the wrong leaders just like most others. Chosen for the wrong reasons.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:07:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		And just because a rancher brings his gun with him does not mean it isn't a peaceful protest. But, being armed does discourage using flash bangs and CS gas in an armed take down of a peaceful protest.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:11:36 PM   
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More like "Vanilla ISIS"


LMMFAO!!!

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:15:49 PM   
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And just because a rancher brings his gun with him does not mean it isn't a peaceful protest. But, being armed does discourage using flash bangs and CS gas in an armed take down of a peaceful protest.

They have repeatedly stated that they do not want violence. Why doesn't the government just give them room to protest, room to destroy? Of course they aren't destroying anything. They haven't killed anyone. The problem with letting the people you agree with use force to get what they want is that sooner or later the people you don't agree with will resort to the same tactics, that is what we are seeing here.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:26:26 PM   
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I think they should gas...em... then when they wake up they can find themselves in Guantanamo with the rest of the terrorist... I wonder if then the fanatics in the house would be willing to close it...

Butch


Why do you label the militia as terrorists? Does the 'terrorist' label also apply to BLM et al?

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:30:20 PM   
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Not being intellectually honest? You must be referring to the Penguin.


no Im referring to you...Im referring to bounty... Im referring to phydeaux...IM referring to bama



as for the other names in whose camp you put me, I have found them to be the amongst the best reads on the forums...



Thanks Bounty

I find your posts well worth reading; always well researched. People like you, Kirata, Desi, Bama quite a few others do very well at refraining from personal attack, presenting evidence, and winning the war of ideas. I think it is pretty clear that the right is winning the war of ideas - the question is whether or not we reach enough people or get drowned out in the noise.

Tip of the hat to you.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:33:37 PM   
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Would not an unarmed demonstration requiring forced eviction been a better option if they desired to bring their case to the American public? This stinks of armed rebellion in my way of thinking and deserves a strong quick response.
What do you think conservative reaction would have been if armed African Americans occupied the Ferguson Missouri City Hall? Would you call them terrorists?
Butch


Actually, if they didn't break in, and were there peacefully, that would be within their Constitutional rights.

Taking over a government building when it wasn't open sounds like it was breaking in, and the thinly veiled threat of retaliation certainly isn't exactly peaceful.

I don't oppose their assembling and petitioning government. I oppose how they did it/are doing it.


Looking for the story again right now, but
I read somewhere today that they had managed to get hold of a set of keys, so they are arguing that they did not break in as there was no damage done. They just unlocked the door and went in. Also there have apparently been reports that they are destroying the building, but a reporter who was allowed to tour it said there is no evidence that anything has been damaged.

On the flip side, law enforcement officials are sending their children elsewhere because they are being threatened if the law intervenes (the children being the 'they', not the adults).

Trying to find it now. Hope I remembered this right.

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RE: Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge... - 1/4/2016 5:39:50 PM   
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"but we don’t have a constitutional right to use force of violence or threaten force of violence on others"
The Declaration Of Independence says we do. Some may argue that that is not actual law, but the fact that it is written in the main founding document of this country must count for something. Lkike the right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness is not in the Costitution but the Declaration, though the Constitution serves to enforce these rights, or should.


The Declaration speaks of instituting government to protect the inalienable rights. The US Constitution frames one such government. The DoI also states that when one such government gets to the point where it's too despotic, it's the duty of the governed to throw off that government and create a new one.

1. What is going on there isn't the group attempting to throw off government to institute a new one. They are there protesting the actions of a part of government, aka petitioning government for redress of grievances.

2. Cruz stated we don't have a Constitutional right. He is correct. The way to change government, without taking the whole thing down and starting over, is through elections (changing the representatives), or by demonstrating to show the current representatives that We the People aren't being represented (changing the minds of the representatives).

3. The Declaration of Independence is more like a background document that the US Constitution springs from. While the DoI does mention ridding ourselves of a despotic government (which would, more than likely, require use of force), it does not mention the right to threaten force to change one small aspect of government.

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