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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/6/2016 4:45:52 PM   
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why on earth would we want to do that? Sunni Muslims are fighting Shiite muslims.

Encourage it.


And there is your problem, you dopey fuck. You cant even work out which side promotes AQ and IS.

Do I need to explain IS and AQ for you ?





Oh please do. It will be good for a great laugh.

So you think we shouldn't encourage the Saudis and the Iranians rto fight because Saudi terrorism is worse than Iranian terrorism?

Really?

Let's suppose I even agreed with such a dubious premise. Somehow, you don't think they would redirect their efforts towards each other? At least in part?

Really?

So let's suppose even that ridiculous premise is true. We still have (according to you) two enemies killing each other.

Yep still think that's a great idea.



So you think the current terrorist threats from Shia and Sunni are equal...... Its no wonder you are looked upon as stupid. Currently the main terror threats are from IS and AQ affiliates

As for directing their anger towards each other, are you so naive to think this wont have any effect on Americans. Are you really too stupid to see what happening with the proxy wars in the Middle east and elsewhere. Are you too stupid to think oil shortages wouldnt result. Are you too stupid to think America wouldnt have to get militarily involved (again).

Dont worry answering the above, I already know how stupid you are.

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/6/2016 6:24:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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why on earth would we want to do that? Sunni Muslims are fighting Shiite muslims.

Encourage it.


And there is your problem, you dopey fuck. You cant even work out which side promotes AQ and IS.

Do I need to explain IS and AQ for you ?





Oh please do. It will be good for a great laugh.

So you think we shouldn't encourage the Saudis and the Iranians rto fight because Saudi terrorism is worse than Iranian terrorism?

Really?

Let's suppose I even agreed with such a dubious premise. Somehow, you don't think they would redirect their efforts towards each other? At least in part?

Really?

So let's suppose even that ridiculous premise is true. We still have (according to you) two enemies killing each other.

Yep still think that's a great idea.



So you think the current terrorist threats from Shia and Sunni are equal...... Its no wonder you are looked upon as stupid. Currently the main terror threats are from IS and AQ affiliates

As for directing their anger towards each other, are you so naive to think this wont have any effect on Americans. Are you really too stupid to see what happening with the proxy wars in the Middle east and elsewhere. Are you too stupid to think oil shortages wouldnt result. Are you too stupid to think America wouldnt have to get militarily involved (again).

Dont worry answering the above, I already know how stupid you are.



Such drivel really doesn't need a response. But doing so will be a pleasure.

Lets see.

Please show me where I said Sunni and Shiite terrorism are "equal". Oh thats right. I didn't. If you were killed in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut - I suspect you are just as dead as if you died in the World trade center.

Only a simplistic moron - such as yourself - would try to push such a concept. Only a simplistic moron - such as yourself - would falsely try to equate our original topic - Saudi and Iranian terrorism with Sunni and Shiite terrorism.

Which is dishonest, but the only way you could defend your snarky comment. Because in reality, America has been directly damaged by Iranian terrorism but not damaged by Saudi terrorism.

The most definitive sources - such as the congressional inquirty into the WTC bombings concluded that the Saudi's were aware of the al-qaeda attack on the WTC - but not sponsors of it. Whereas, the iranians directly financed the Beirut and other bombings.


2. I really do wonder what you are drinking.
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are you so naive to think this wont have any effect on Americans
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So lets see - both the Saudi's and the Iranians are funding terrorism, much of it directed against the US. Yet some how you think them fighting each other will somehow cause them to want to kill more Americans.

I'd love to hear whatever pretzel logic you think will explain that one.

3.
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Are you too stupid to think oil shortages wouldnt result
Are you .. kidding?

LOL.. Right now there is a glut of 3 million barrels a day of oil on the world market.
Saudi Arabia has project to add 1.2 million barrels of conventional production in the upcoming year, and more (amounts unspecified) as it expects to start its own fracking projects.
Iran is expecting to add 1 million bpd in the upcoming year.

The US, even if it weren't to drill a single well, has more than 12000 already fracked and uncompleted wells that would add 1.2 million bpd.

Fracking wells take 8-15 days to complete. Which means the US has the headroom to bring in and additional 1.5 million bpd of production per month, if it were economically attractive to do so.

The US exports about 4.5 mil bpd/ and imports about 9 mil bpd. Meaning more or less we are an importer of roughtly 4 .5 mil bpd.

So, to sum up - even if saudi exports of 6 million bpd were wiped out, AND Iranian oil exports were wiped out (1.5 million per day)
Total 7.5 million bpd. Deduct the glut 3 million, unfinshed wells 1.2million, and you are left with a short fall of 3.3 million barrels per day - not counting any increased us production.

On top of that we have record oil and distallate storage in the US approaching a billion barrels. Add another 100 million barrel of oil already at sea, and another 700 million barrels of oil in the strategic oil reserve.

So one thing we can say with pretty damn near certainty is that there wouldn't be a shortage. World oil production is roughly 96 million barrels per day. Prices might change - but shortage? Not at chance.

Your preconceived notions are from the 1970s....

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/7/2016 4:33:23 AM   
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He wasn't just some Muslim Martyr though; he was a highly respected Muslim cleric, so SA action doesn't bode well in the grand scheme of things.
It appears SA have lost the plot, no surprise considering The House of Saud is being run by the playboy son of a king with dementia. The question is, will Saudi Arabia be the creator of its own destruction by suffering the loss of allies in this foolish process? No matter how well this war has been planned, this is one mess the west won't be able to sort out and Saudi Arabia just became one huge liability.


Wow. What an outrageous opinion.

Outside left v wing circles, it is widely thought that the Iranians overreacted. Hence worldwide opinion and action, cutting diplomatic relations with iran, sanctions on iran, not Saudi arabia.

More mainstream opinion is that the Saudis knew the Iranians would overreact... and they did.



Wow at suggesting I have an outrageous opinion. I can see who's side your on


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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/7/2016 6:24:23 AM   
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One thing in common with both countries is both of them still stone women to death for getting themselves raped. So I hope they nuke each other.

Greta75 a post I did earlier
Regarding Ops thread this goes on all the time. The only thing that surprises me is that it’s not reported in the news more often. Same with the spying malarkey. Joe bloggs, well a good half dozen of them, have only become aware of the extent of spying - on your own people and everyone in the world..You scratch my back, give me a wheel barrow full of gold bullion, and I will overthrow x government, rape your women, arm this rebel group. E.g. who armed the Taliban etc ... During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding (fuck me what could possibly go wrong). Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA. And yet they whittle on about crushing Julian Assange ball sack and then firing him from a cannon into the sun. Ah, Amerika indeed, not that they are the only guilty country, guiltiest yuppers.

As for nuclear weapons no other country should be allowed them. Although I am a little surprised they cannot be purchased locally in supermarkets in America along with half a pound of cheese, bazooka, Sherman tank and a tommy gun, whatever the hell that is…Poor gunless Tommy, someones selling his guns..och well.

Where was I.
Ah, yes. If doomsday devices were prevalent everywhere then Johnny foreigner would have long, long ago, in the name of their god, implement scorched earth policy and I would be typing this from a handsome pile of rubble, and eating radioactive muffins that melt your insides away, literary.


Basket case countries that have scorch earth weaponry = Nine…och okay America, Russia, China, UK, France hmm that’s the five India, Pakistan North Korea(oh deary me) and Israel.

And you’ve seen what happens when other countries have chemical weapons – feckless dangerous loons use them on their own people


I think part of me, deep down, wants to see these countries bomb themselves back to the stone age and complete ruination...am I a bad person for letting thoughts like that go through my mind?

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/7/2016 3:32:14 PM   
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Such drivel really doesn't need a response. But doing so will be a pleasure.

Lets see.

Please show me where I said Sunni and Shiite terrorism are "equal". Oh thats right. I didn't. If you were killed in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut - I suspect you are just as dead as if you died in the World trade center.

Only a simplistic moron - such as yourself - would try to push such a concept. Only a simplistic moron - such as yourself - would falsely try to equate our original topic - Saudi and Iranian terrorism with Sunni and Shiite terrorism.

Which is dishonest, but the only way you could defend your snarky comment. Because in reality, America has been directly damaged by Iranian terrorism but not damaged by Saudi terrorism.

The most definitive sources - such as the congressional inquirty into the WTC bombings concluded that the Saudi's were aware of the al-qaeda attack on the WTC - but not sponsors of it. Whereas, the iranians directly financed the Beirut and other bombings.


2. I really do wonder what you are drinking.
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are you so naive to think this wont have any effect on Americans
.
So lets see - both the Saudi's and the Iranians are funding terrorism, much of it directed against the US. Yet some how you think them fighting each other will somehow cause them to want to kill more Americans.

I'd love to hear whatever pretzel logic you think will explain that one.

3.
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Are you too stupid to think oil shortages wouldnt result
Are you .. kidding?

LOL.. Right now there is a glut of 3 million barrels a day of oil on the world market.
Saudi Arabia has project to add 1.2 million barrels of conventional production in the upcoming year, and more (amounts unspecified) as it expects to start its own fracking projects.
Iran is expecting to add 1 million bpd in the upcoming year.

The US, even if it weren't to drill a single well, has more than 12000 already fracked and uncompleted wells that would add 1.2 million bpd.

Fracking wells take 8-15 days to complete. Which means the US has the headroom to bring in and additional 1.5 million bpd of production per month, if it were economically attractive to do so.

The US exports about 4.5 mil bpd/ and imports about 9 mil bpd. Meaning more or less we are an importer of roughtly 4 .5 mil bpd.

So, to sum up - even if saudi exports of 6 million bpd were wiped out, AND Iranian oil exports were wiped out (1.5 million per day)
Total 7.5 million bpd. Deduct the glut 3 million, unfinshed wells 1.2million, and you are left with a short fall of 3.3 million barrels per day - not counting any increased us production.

On top of that we have record oil and distallate storage in the US approaching a billion barrels. Add another 100 million barrel of oil already at sea, and another 700 million barrels of oil in the strategic oil reserve.

So one thing we can say with pretty damn near certainty is that there wouldn't be a shortage. World oil production is roughly 96 million barrels per day. Prices might change - but shortage? Not at chance.

Your preconceived notions are from the 1970s....




I didnt expect a sensible reply from you and yet again you didnt fucking disapoint.

If you believe the shit you write, then I am truly sorry for you. The notion that Saudi terrorism and Iranian terrorism isnt Sunni or Shia related is laughable in the extreme. WTF do you think the schism in the Muslim world is about ? Add to that, your bullshit figures about oil not running out, I am guessing you dont recall 1973 at all.

As for fracking, lets hope you dont piss and moan about the astronomical price rises required to pay for it.

Your whole post is bullshit, every last word.

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/7/2016 10:36:28 PM   
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I need a job like that.

T^T

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/7/2016 11:24:35 PM   
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Such drivel really doesn't need a response. But doing so will be a pleasure.

Lets see.

Please show me where I said Sunni and Shiite terrorism are "equal". Oh thats right. I didn't. If you were killed in the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut - I suspect you are just as dead as if you died in the World trade center.

Only a simplistic moron - such as yourself - would try to push such a concept. Only a simplistic moron - such as yourself - would falsely try to equate our original topic - Saudi and Iranian terrorism with Sunni and Shiite terrorism.

Which is dishonest, but the only way you could defend your snarky comment. Because in reality, America has been directly damaged by Iranian terrorism but not damaged by Saudi terrorism.

The most definitive sources - such as the congressional inquirty into the WTC bombings concluded that the Saudi's were aware of the al-qaeda attack on the WTC - but not sponsors of it. Whereas, the iranians directly financed the Beirut and other bombings.


2. I really do wonder what you are drinking.
quote:

are you so naive to think this wont have any effect on Americans
.
So lets see - both the Saudi's and the Iranians are funding terrorism, much of it directed against the US. Yet some how you think them fighting each other will somehow cause them to want to kill more Americans.

I'd love to hear whatever pretzel logic you think will explain that one.

3.
quote:

Are you too stupid to think oil shortages wouldnt result
Are you .. kidding?

LOL.. Right now there is a glut of 3 million barrels a day of oil on the world market.
Saudi Arabia has project to add 1.2 million barrels of conventional production in the upcoming year, and more (amounts unspecified) as it expects to start its own fracking projects.
Iran is expecting to add 1 million bpd in the upcoming year.

The US, even if it weren't to drill a single well, has more than 12000 already fracked and uncompleted wells that would add 1.2 million bpd.

Fracking wells take 8-15 days to complete. Which means the US has the headroom to bring in and additional 1.5 million bpd of production per month, if it were economically attractive to do so.

The US exports about 4.5 mil bpd/ and imports about 9 mil bpd. Meaning more or less we are an importer of roughtly 4 .5 mil bpd.

So, to sum up - even if saudi exports of 6 million bpd were wiped out, AND Iranian oil exports were wiped out (1.5 million per day)
Total 7.5 million bpd. Deduct the glut 3 million, unfinshed wells 1.2million, and you are left with a short fall of 3.3 million barrels per day - not counting any increased us production.

On top of that we have record oil and distallate storage in the US approaching a billion barrels. Add another 100 million barrel of oil already at sea, and another 700 million barrels of oil in the strategic oil reserve.

So one thing we can say with pretty damn near certainty is that there wouldn't be a shortage. World oil production is roughly 96 million barrels per day. Prices might change - but shortage? Not at chance.

Your preconceived notions are from the 1970s....




I didnt expect a sensible reply from you and yet again you didnt fucking disapoint.

If you believe the shit you write, then I am truly sorry for you. The notion that Saudi terrorism and Iranian terrorism isnt Sunni or Shia related is laughable in the extreme. WTF do you think the schism in the Muslim world is about ? Add to that, your bullshit figures about oil not running out, I am guessing you dont recall 1973 at all.

As for fracking, lets hope you dont piss and moan about the astronomical price rises required to pay for it.

Your whole post is bullshit, every last word.



Again you are saying things I never said, in a limp dick attempt to justify stupidity.

Here's a hint: Certainly, Saudi Arabia is predominantly Sunni.

However, Saudi terrorism is terrorism advanced by the state of Saudi Arabia. Which again by and large - has not happened against the US. In fact the Saud's have provided quite a fair amount of intelligence to the US.

for example: http://www.elithecomputerguy.com/2013/11/18/saudi-arabias-general-intelligence-agency-overview/
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-exclusive-us-expands-intelligence-sharing-with-saudis-in-yemen-operation-2015-4

Now it is certainly true that Saudi Arabia has a great number of wealthy individual Sunni's. And these individuals have pursued agendas both counter to the ruling family, and to American interests.
But the fact that there is sunni terrorism does not make it equivalent to Saudi terrorism, any more than you being an idiotic, rude brit constitutes insulting behavior by Her Majesty's government.

Understand ?

Iran has supported terrorism against the US. The Sauds have not. Let me dumb it down for you: Sauds good. Iranians bad. But then, this is why we have a defensive agreement with the sauds. They're allies.


As for my whole post being well bullshit - I note that as is typical of liberals you can't actually refute a single actual fact. Pound the table and mouth insults....


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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 4:03:04 AM   
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Iran has supported terrorism against the US. The Sauds have not. Let me dumb it down for you: Sauds good. Iranians bad. But then, this is why we have a defensive agreement with the sauds. They're allies.


Fifteen of the 19 hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia.
Many victims groups believe the full extent of Saudi involvement in 9/11 has long been covered up by both the Obama and Bush administrations to protect US-Saudi relations. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/11653706/US-report-claiming-Saudi-Arabia-financed-911-attack-redacted-by-Bush.html




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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 4:30:18 AM   
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Looks like this is gonna keep happening with stupid countries who uses oil money to give too many free shit and basically support their entire population.

Why do you think it wrong for the citizens of a country to share in the natural wealth of their country?
Who do you think should benifit from the natural resources of a country?



There is a pattern there. One thing for sure, middle east will fall, eventually, it's a matter of how long their resources last.

Those societies have been in existance for several thousands of years while the third world shithole called singapore has been in existence for a few years.


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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 4:32:49 AM   
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I agree tweak...there is not ONE Muslim nation with integrity and worth a partnership with America.

Perhaps you could tell us about the integrity of the usa?

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 4:35:24 AM   
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LOL.. Right now there is a glut of 3 million barrels a day of oil on the world market.

What is wrong with low gasoline prices?

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 6:07:46 AM   
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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 6:24:06 AM   
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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 6:29:45 AM   
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The notion that Saudi terrorism and Iranian terrorism isnt Sunni or Shia related is laughable in the extreme. WTF do you think the schism in the Muslim world is about ? Add to that, your bullshit figures about oil not running out, I am guessing you dont recall 1973 at all.

As for fracking, lets hope you dont piss and moan about the astronomical price rises required to pay for it.

Your whole post is bullshit, every last word.

Yes, it sure is. One of the reasons why the Saudis have deliberately driven the price of oil down is to destroy the US oil fracking industry. The US industry has made the US a net energy exporter, thereby eliminating dependence on oil imports from the Middle East, and with it, rendering the security of the Saudi regime a far less pressing priority.

But, PS, I am not sure that there's any point trying to discuss the finer points of the Middle East with someone who doesn't understand the difference between Shia and Sunni, and the impossibility of an AQ-Iranian alliance. It's really laughable to assert that the Iranians would link up with AQ who regard all Shias as apostates and located on the same level in the food chain as the US. AQ and IS are just as happy butchering Shias as they would be butchering Americans. It's all as pointless as trying to teach the finer points of literature to an illiterate.

What is not in doubt is the extent of Saudi support for IS and AQ-affiliate Nusra Front in Syria. Why is the US's so called ally financing and arming IS and AQ affiliates? Is this the way America expects its allies to behave? Perhaps it is, there are persistent rumours of Israeli support for IS in Syria too .......

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 7:15:10 AM   
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The notion that Saudi terrorism and Iranian terrorism isnt Sunni or Shia related is laughable in the extreme. WTF do you think the schism in the Muslim world is about ? Add to that, your bullshit figures about oil not running out, I am guessing you dont recall 1973 at all.

As for fracking, lets hope you dont piss and moan about the astronomical price rises required to pay for it.

Your whole post is bullshit, every last word.

Yes, it sure is. One of the reasons why the Saudis have deliberately driven the price of oil down is to destroy the US oil fracking industry. The US industry has made the US a net energy exporter, thereby eliminating dependence on oil imports from the Middle East, and with it, rendering the security of the Saudi regime a far less pressing priority.

But, PS, I am not sure that there's any point trying to discuss the finer points of the Middle East with someone who doesn't understand the difference between Shia and Sunni, and the impossibility of an AQ-Iranian alliance. It's really laughable to assert that the Iranians would link up with AQ who regard all Shias as apostates and located on the same level in the food chain as the US. AQ and IS are just as happy butchering Shias as they would be butchering Americans. It's all as pointless as trying to teach the finer points of literature to an illiterate.


AQ and Iran already did cooperate and Saudi Arabia became less of a priority as soon as we elected a president that didn't have a 50 year family tie to their ruling family. Additionally, oil is going to tend to go up as easy to attain oil becomes scarce and we resort to riskier fracking practices. Hopefully renewable energy is further developed before true energy crisis strikes the world

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 7:31:49 AM   
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They don't support their entire population. You only get support in SA if you are a citizen of SA and a very high majority of people living in SA are not citizens. The majority live on piss poor wages in substandard housing.

When I say THEIR entire population. I mean their citizens! I think maybe I don't come from a socialist country so a country even supporting non-citizens or providing any welfare to them is an outlandish crazy idea to me, and I know my country would never do that, or they will get voted out, who-ever is on top crazy enough to try.
But I get the misunderstanding. We live in different worlds. UK does provide support to non-citizens, so that's normal to you. Not normal to me.

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What opposition are you talking about? Exiled opposition ? There is no formal opposition party in SA
In dictatorial regions in the middle east, oppositions are always just a band of underground unhappy ordinary people plotting for change. They just need to get organized together and rally support.



Doesn't Singapore subsidize healthcare because the income inequality is so extreme? You really think Singapore wealth came from the native populations hard work and not its development as a port for Britain and eventual tax haven? Arent almost half of workers in Signapore foreign? What would the financial outlook of Singapore be if it weren't for foreigner workers and investment? Your analysis of the financial system of Saudi Arabia can be applied to Signapore too, except instead of investment and income based on oil have it be investment and income based location and status as a low tax port. Simply put, Singapore has survived on foreigners like Saudi's survive on oil. Similar to the Middle East, Signapore heavily deters protesters and executes huge numbers of people

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 8:59:13 AM   
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I have not heard of any unemployment in the energy sector in the usa.




Iona energy goes into administration

Itemizing The Oil Bust: 75,000 Layoffs And Counting Forbes

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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 9:03:34 AM   
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What is not in doubt is the extent of Saudi support for IS and AQ-affiliate Nusra Front in Syria. Why is the US's so called ally financing and arming IS and AQ affiliates? Is this the way America expects its allies to behave? Perhaps it is, there are persistent rumours of Israeli support for IS in Syria too .......


I've been reading some interesting stuff about this recently. The more we learn the more confusing its becoming!


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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 9:11:23 AM   
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AQ and Iran already did cooperate and Saudi Arabia became less of a priority as soon as we elected a president that didn't have a 50 year family tie to their ruling family. Additionally, oil is going to tend to go up as easy to attain oil becomes scarce and we resort to riskier fracking practices. Hopefully renewable energy is further developed before true energy crisis strikes the world


High fives DW.

Britain made a policy decision to no longer invest in renewable energy when they went into a very recent and lucrative deal with the Chinese


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RE: Saudi and Iran - 1/8/2016 1:04:26 PM   
DominantWrestler


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Status: offline 		Retaining oil in North America is paramount to a strong stance during negotiations. Last thing we should do is use North American fossil fuels. It's liquid gold. Let's sit on it until the world starts going dry, unless we transition smoothly into renewable energy

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