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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Again you are saying things I never said, in a limp dick attempt to justify stupidity.

Here's a hint: Certainly, Saudi Arabia is predominantly Sunni.

However, Saudi terrorism is terrorism advanced by the state of Saudi Arabia. Which again by and large - has not happened against the US. In fact the Saud's have provided quite a fair amount of intelligence to the US.

for example: http://www.elithecomputerguy.com/2013/11/18/saudi-arabias-general-intelligence-agency-overview/
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-exclusive-us-expands-intelligence-sharing-with-saudis-in-yemen-operation-2015-4

Now it is certainly true that Saudi Arabia has a great number of wealthy individual Sunni's. And these individuals have pursued agendas both counter to the ruling family, and to American interests.
But the fact that there is sunni terrorism does not make it equivalent to Saudi terrorism, any more than you being an idiotic, rude brit constitutes insulting behavior by Her Majesty's government.

Understand ?

Iran has supported terrorism against the US. The Sauds have not. Let me dumb it down for you: Sauds good. Iranians bad. But then, this is why we have a defensive agreement with the sauds. They're allies.


As for my whole post being well bullshit - I note that as is typical of liberals you can't actually refute a single actual fact. Pound the table and mouth insults....

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Again you are saying things I never said, in a limp dick attempt to justify stupidity.

Here's a hint: Certainly, Saudi Arabia is predominantly Sunni.

However, Saudi terrorism is terrorism advanced by the state of Saudi Arabia. Which again by and large - has not happened against the US. In fact the Saud's have provided quite a fair amount of intelligence to the US.

for example: http://www.elithecomputerguy.com/2013/11/18/saudi-arabias-general-intelligence-agency-overview/
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-exclusive-us-expands-intelligence-sharing-with-saudis-in-yemen-operation-2015-4

Now it is certainly true that Saudi Arabia has a great number of wealthy individual Sunni's. And these individuals have pursued agendas both counter to the ruling family, and to American interests.
But the fact that there is sunni terrorism does not make it equivalent to Saudi terrorism, any more than you being an idiotic, rude brit constitutes insulting behavior by Her Majesty's government.

Understand ?

Iran has supported terrorism against the US. The Sauds have not. Let me dumb it down for you: Sauds good. Iranians bad. But then, this is why we have a defensive agreement with the sauds. They're allies.


As for my whole post being well bullshit - I note that as is typical of liberals you can't actually refute a single actual fact. Pound the table and mouth insults....

You are the only person here who believes your drivel to be true. If you think the Saudis havent supported AQ or IS then you are thicker than I thought, and by god that was thick enough. Carry on with your drivel if you wish but dont expect to get a free pass, because I will continue to point out your bullshit every time you post it.

Now you are suggesting the Sauds are your allies, a few posts ago you were hoping the Sunni and Shia kill each other. So you see, even the bollocks you post isnt consistent.

I know you are too biased to find any links that dont comply with your right wing narrative. Here are a few of interest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-evil-empire-of-saudi-arabia-is-the-west-s-real-enemy-a6669531.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/saudi-arabia-an-isis-that-has-made-it.html?_r=0

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/terrorist-sponsors-saudi-arabia-pakistan-china

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Now you are suggesting the Sauds are your allies, a few posts ago you were hoping the Sunni and Shia kill each other. So you see, even the bollocks you post isnt consistent.

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If you think the Saudis havent supported AQ or IS then you are thicker than I thought, and by god that was thick enough. Carry on with your drivel if you wish but dont expect to get a free pass, because I will continue to point out your bullshit every time you post it.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Iran has supported terrorism against the US. The Sauds have not. Let me dumb it down for you: Sauds good. Iranians bad. But then, this is why we have a defensive agreement with the sauds. They're allies.

Fifteen of the 19 hijackers in the 9/11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia.
Many victims groups believe the full extent of Saudi involvement in 9/11 has long been covered up by both the Obama and Bush administrations to protect US-Saudi relations. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/11653706/US-report-claiming-Saudi-Arabia-financed-911-attack-redacted-by-Bush.html

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


LOL.. Right now there is a glut of 3 million barrels a day of oil on the world market.

What is wrong with low gasoline prices?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
The notion that Saudi terrorism and Iranian terrorism isnt Sunni or Shia related is laughable in the extreme. WTF do you think the schism in the Muslim world is about ? Add to that, your bullshit figures about oil not running out, I am guessing you dont recall 1973 at all.

As for fracking, lets hope you dont piss and moan about the astronomical price rises required to pay for it.

Your whole post is bullshit, every last word.

Yes, it sure is. One of the reasons why the Saudis have deliberately driven the price of oil down is to destroy the US oil fracking industry. The US industry has made the US a net energy exporter, thereby eliminating dependence on oil imports from the Middle East, and with it, rendering the security of the Saudi regime a far less pressing priority.

But, PS, I am not sure that there's any point trying to discuss the finer points of the Middle East with someone who doesn't understand the difference between Shia and Sunni, and the impossibility of an AQ-Iranian alliance. It's really laughable to assert that the Iranians would link up with AQ who regard all Shias as apostates and located on the same level in the food chain as the US. AQ and IS are just as happy butchering Shias as they would be butchering Americans. It's all as pointless as trying to teach the finer points of literature to an illiterate.

What is not in doubt is the extent of Saudi support for IS and AQ-affiliate Nusra Front in Syria. Why is the US's so called ally financing and arming IS and AQ affiliates? Is this the way America expects its allies to behave? Perhaps it is, there are persistent rumours of Israeli support for IS in Syria too .......

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"A: They punish Russia - who is supporting Syria/Iran.
B: The punish Iran with whom they are competing as a regional hegemon.
C: They drive some US frackers out of business.
D: They delay the development of alternate energy sources such as solar
E: It speeds up the monetization of assets at risk of being sunk. "

Yup. they are trying to buy the pot, thinking that Russia might go low on m0ney, and of course their people will not loan them any. I believe they have mis-estimated the situation and are going to choke on it.

Yup, buck a gallon gas, but buck a pound bullshit. Russia laughs at sanctions, so did Iran. Cuba thrived under an embargo. the toothless tiger is going to strike again ?
T^T

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Pretty picture. No facts. But pretty.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Pretty picture. No facts. But pretty.

Excuse me - "NO FACTS" - Are you serious? Do you know what a fact is? Maria B has posted a document listing about 50 countries "attacked by bombing sabotage or attempted government overthrow" by the US since 1945, and also listing the zero number of countries ""attacked by bombing sabotage or attempted government overthrow" by Iran during the same period. She has simply posted the historical facts, indisputable historical facts in the main. And you are claiming that she presented "no facts" !!!!!

By alleging that MariaB hasn't posted any "facts", you are asserting that the US's interventions in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan (to name just a few of the many governments attacked by the US) are NOT a matters of fact! Your position is not only factually incorrect, it is laughably so. Only someone with a serious ambition of setting themselves up as an object of derision could make such an ignorant, ludicrously ignorant claim. (Congratulations you have succeeded!) The document MariaB posted makes it crystal clear who is the aggressor, who has the track record of terrorism, subversion and militarism when we compare the US and Iran.

There is simply no rational way of disputing this fundamental and salient fact. The facts speak for themselves, loudly and persuasively. That you have chosen to dispute the facts tells us that either you are so thoroughly brainwashed by your neo-con ideology that you cannot accept these facts, or that you have deliberately chosen to lie (or perhaps both) or you simply don't know what a 'fact' is. I prefer the first explanation - it is the most generous towards you. However regardless of explanation we cannot avoid the conclusion that your relationship with historical facts is (at the very least) intermittent, shaped by ideology, coloured by self interest, as well as being totally unreliable - it is literally and metaphorically a fact-free zone.

Utterly moronic.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Ok. Since you are so profoundly retarded, I feel a bit of sympathy for you.

You seem to forget my previous few hundred (thousand?) posts. On how I view Islam as the greatest threat to the west; how I have been doing public speaches on the topic since 1986. How the number of Wahhabi madrassas went from 3 in 1993 to over 11,000 at the end of Bill Clinton's tenure. How his dropping his pants caused him to drop the ball
on following up on wahabbi extremism. Etc. I have previously read all but your second link.

Each of those articles flat out say - Saudi Arabia is a US ally. From your own sources.

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Now you are suggesting the Sauds are your allies, a few posts ago you were hoping the Sunni and Shia kill each other. So you see, even the bollocks you post isnt consistent.

What is consistent is your inability to understand simple concepts. The US allied with the USSR during WWII to defeat nazi Germany. While the Soviets were allies - there also were not friends.
And there is not a damn thing inconsistent in hoping the Nazi's and the Soviets killed each other off.

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If you think the Saudis havent supported AQ or IS then you are thicker than I thought, and by god that was thick enough. Carry on with your drivel if you wish but dont expect to get a free pass, because I will continue to point out your bullshit every time you post it.

I provided you a link that said the Sauds rulership have not supported terrorism against the US. I said that many individual wealth sunnis in Saudi Arabia - support terrorism.

You change the topic to saying that I do not think Saudi's support terrorism. Learn to read man. I said what I mean, I mean what I say.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Pretty picture. No facts. But pretty.
How about the Iraq Iran war
Iran's bombing of the Khobar Towers
Iran's attempted assassinations in Saudi Arabia the United States Israel and Thailand. As I recall the Iranian managed to blow up a building and his own hands.

How about taking over the American Embassy
Firing on ships from Singapore and the Marshall Islands


But hey pretty picture..

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Prove that the ruling saudi family has given aid to terrorist. Back up your fuckwas assumption for once. Give a couple of cites. I provided a link that said that they haven't.