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Termyn8or -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/2/2006 10:23:13 PM)
"There is no risk free level of exposure to second hand smoke" How stoopid do you have to be ? There is no risk free level of exposure to: soda pop junk food car exhaust DEISEL exhaust air in urban areas city water ozone radon pesticides chewing gum What do they mean risk free ? They mean they got it down to the the point where they can say if your Grampa once smoked a cigar in the room when you were there when visiting, that THROUGHOUT LIFE, no matter what else you are ever exposed to, they can say that your likelyhood of getting lung disease is what ? 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 higher ? Are you paying attention ? No risk free level, from people who bomb children and kill us slowly with poisonous drugs (if we let them), they are who you trust ? Remember when all the sudden butter was bad for you and then not too long later margarine was bad for you, but then later butter was bad for you again ? Now they have that there are different kinds of margarine and they may be working on different kinds of butter. I finally stuck with the one they did not invent. You will never see margarine on my table. I don't care what they say, and I use the word they because that's all they are. They say anything to make more money. Much research is done with the results bought and paid for up front. Read a research grant one of these days. Ask the same people why we pay so much more for prescription drugs. If you believe their answer on that, I have this oceanfront property in Kansas. BTW, I don't use Arizona for that analogy anymore, taking into consideration the San Andreaus fault and underground nuclear testing, there might be some soon. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but to get it when it's cheap ! Yeah ! I'm sure glad these virtuous towers of competence have rid the world of terrorism, balanced the budget, found Saddam's stockpile of nasty shit they sold him and caught Osama Bin Laden. I could not feel safer nor more confident in "them", could you ? I think there is no risk free level of exposure to "them". T PS, for those of you who skipped it, the odds written out, earlier, are, "one in one octillion". T

CrappyDom -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 9:44:00 AM)
I think the next time I see some asshole smoking right in front of the door I am going to wipe my ass with my hand and clean it on their shirt. I mean, it is my right after all isn't it? The idiots supporting smoking don't have a clue what freedom means. It means freedom from interference from others. You smoke enters my lungs, you are unconsensually killing me. I am not advocating banning smoking, just that you should have a bag over your head while you do it. I support your right to smoke as long as you don't force me to be a pathetic drug addict as well.

meatcleaver -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 9:52:29 AM)
You're wasting your time arguing, this debate has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with prejudice. If those anti-smokers were really concerned about health issues they wouldn't be driving a car, eating pesticide treated food, genetically modified food and they wouldn't buy modern furniture or live in houses made with modern materials. All of which are reckoned to cause more cancers than smoke. While they are bellicose about their rights they do not care about other peoples rights to walk along streets free from traffic pollution which is far more dangerous than cigarette smoke so I would just ignore them.

CrappyDom -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 10:07:50 AM)
Cleaver, Why not try and address the points I made rather than trying to change the subject? As for your claims, I eat non GMO foods that ARE grown organically, I live in an urban setting so I can walk to a nearby farmers market and buy direct from people who's farms I have visited. Or are you saying it is my right to wipe my shit stained hands on your shirt?

meatcleaver -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 10:41:34 AM)
I only smoke my Cubans on my studio and my local bar as they are the only places I can relax and enjoy them. But I'm not against you wiping your shit on anyones shirt because I feel I have the right to kick someones car door in when they are revving fumes in my face when I am on my bike.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 10:57:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei If you guys want to smoke... do it, just don't do it where others want to breathe indoor air which does not contain carcinogens from your cigarettes. Fill your homes with all the smoke you like, and smoke in establishments which are pro-cancer anytime you wish. I edited this rant. Please remember, 99.99999999999999% of smokers will never smoke around you your whole life so as a group, we don't need your permission or approval to do something we enjoy. Anyway, to show you how ludicrously the anti-smoking lobby get about things, they complained about James Bond being shown smoking a cigar in "Die Another Day". Despite the fact he had unprotected sex, drove like a lunatic through crowded areas firing a hail of bullets throughout the film, the biggest complaint was "he smoked a cigar". You have to wonder at some point "are they really complaining about smoking?" Or is it just an excuse to attack people doing something (legal) they don't like? Get a new witch to hunt, I'm going for a cigarette. (Rant over) I think the anti-smoking people have issues that aren't related to smoking. 99.99999999999999% of smokers? Okay, if you say so. But if that is true... so what? Before smoking was banned in public places, here in Florida, there was plenty of smoke entering my lungs, while at work, the hallways, restaurants, etc. Enough smoke in fact, that the government felt compelled to tell the smokers they would have to take their pollutants outside, so not to harm those who didn't wish to share their bad habit and their potential illnesses and disease. You most certainly do need permission to do something you enjoy.... when it means harming another while you do it. Our lifestyle is based on safe, sane, and consensual.... which includes not harming another without his consent. You are right, this non-smoker does have issues about something besides smoking. Smoking is fine if you want to do it without harming anyone else. I have issues wth people who think it's more important for them to have their freedom (in this case, their right to smoke anywhere they please), than for me to have my freedom (in this case the right to not be forced to inhale their harmful smoke). Personally, I don't see how anyone would want to smoke around others in a public place. I don't smoke, but if I did, I wouldn't want to make others share my cigarette against their will. I stay at home when I have a contagious cold or virus, because I don't want to expose others to my potentially harmful germs.

meatcleaver -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:02:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei 99.99999999999999% of smokers? Okay, if you say so. But if that is true... so what? Before smoking was banned in public places, here in Florida, there was plenty of smoke entering my lungs, while at work, the hallways, restaurants, etc. Enough smoke in fact, that the government felt compelled to tell the smokers they would have to take their pollutants outside, so not to harm those who didn't wish to share their bad habit and their potential illnesses and disease. You most certainly do need permission to do something you enjoy.... when it means harming another while you do it. Our lifestyle is based on safe, sane, and consensual.... which includes not harming another without his consent. You are right, this non-smoker does have issues about something besides smoking. Smoking is fine if you want to do it without harming anyone else. I have issues wth people who think it's more important for them to have their freedom (in this case, their right to smoke anywhere they please), than for me to have my freedom (in this case the right to not be forced to inhale their harmful smoke). Personally, I don't see how anyone would want to smoke around others in a public place. I don't smoke, but if I did, I wouldn't want to make others share my cigarette against their will. I stay at home when I have a contagious cold or virus, because I don't want to expose others to my potentially harmful germs. The only time I have been to Florida it was the car fumes in the oppressive heat and humidity that I had problems with and far worse than any cigarette smoke I have come across, indoors or out.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:08:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver The only time I have been to Florida it was the car fumes in the oppressive heat and humidity that I had problems with and far worse than any cigarette smoke I have come across, indoors or out. Car fumes are a problem anywhere, less in Florida than in most places... . and heat, well yeah, although we have had the coolest temperatures in the US this week (along with California). The thing is.... imagine being forced to inhale those fumes and that heat indoors, against your will, all day long, because other people thought you should have to do so?

SirKenin -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:10:57 AM)
If the majority of the population were smokers, you would be able to smoke in hospitals. There would be studies to prove that not smoking was harmful to your health. Since the majority of the voting population are not smokers, they are the one's whose wheels are getting greased. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with anything else. If it did, we would all be running around in horse and buggies. Smokers are an easy target and a cash cow. Period.

meatcleaver -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:16:14 AM)
I agree with banning smoking in public buildings and where people have no choice but to go. I just don't understand why it is banned in entertainment establishments where people have can make a choice about going to or not, it seems to me the choice as to whether an establishment allows smoking should be down to the owners of such establishments, since they are the ones that have to make money by ther decision and will take the choice the market demands..

Homestead -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:16:37 AM)
I can't do anything about most pollution. But I can certainly avoid a smoker's poisons.

meatcleaver -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:17:53 AM)
Don't drive and smoke. You will pollute the environment less.

MistressBG -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:21:27 AM)
As Cigar Dave calls them, "The Pleasure Police"! lol (a.k.a. liberal left wing morons that have nothing better to do than try to make everyone else as miserable as they are!) I believe it should be up to the individual business owner if they wish to allow smoking in their business or not....as far as the dangers of second hand smoke itself, there's absolutely no concrete evidence that second hand smoke affects a person's health ... this, again, is left wing liberal b/s.[;)]

MrrPete -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:22:42 AM)
I quit at a $1.25 a pack. Just think of the money I've spent on other things in the last 23 years.[:)] Oh! and I quit drinking on the same day. I think we should have "no cell phone" areas in restaurants.

Devilslilsister -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:32:15 AM)
Its GOOD for you suck it up and like it = )

marieToo -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:50:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin If the majority of the population were smokers, you would be able to smoke in hospitals. There would be studies to prove that not smoking was harmful to your health. Since the majority of the voting population are not smokers, they are the one's whose wheels are getting greased. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with anything else. If it did, we would all be running around in horse and buggies. Smokers are an easy target and a cash cow. Period. <Only if you smoke. No one forces you to purchase them.> If the majority of society were heroin junkies, we could just go down to local pharmacy and grab a fix off the shelf. And if the majority of society were rapists, we could just go and clobber someone over the head and steal a fuck from them. And if the majority of society were theives no one would ever go to jail for stealing. What kind of reasoning would that be?? You know that universal little skull and crossbones thingie???? It means poison. What comes out of cigarrette smoke is poison. Starting with carbon monoxide. Would you turn your car on in the garage and sit there and breath that in? Above and beyond that, there are upwards of 4000 chemicals in the smoke of the processed tobacco that is used in cigarettes. Do you understand that people arent just tolerating an odor they dont like, they are being forced to breath in proven toxins (poison) when you smoke near them. The fact that there is air pollution and other health hazards around us does not exonerate you from your responsibility to take care that the poison you are allowed to breath into your body, doesn't harm anyone else. It seems to me that there is so much controversy about whether or not smoking is detrimental to someone's health. But dont you think thats a belief that each person should decide for themselves? Do you think its your right to decide for someone else that its safe to breath in the smoke that you subject them to? Would you sit in a movie theater if cyanide was being piped in? How about arsenic? How about if I wanted to smoke arsenic in the place you go to eat. Should you have to go somewhere else to eat because I have a right to smoke arsenic anywhere I want?

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 11:57:13 AM)
No proof...okay...then the whole Medical community is full of shit when making claims of this. Humans have to right to breathe clean air before someone else has the right to pollute it. You wanna smoke fine do it...but dont expect that the rest have to put up with it simply because you pay 20.00 for a meal. Not smoking around others to Me is just a common courtesy,If I want to die thats My problem...I'm not taking someone else with Me. The thing that gets Me is the cars...which is why most States have Emmissions Control,unfortunately its not always easy to enforce.

marieToo -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 12:04:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66 No proof...okay...then the whole Medical community is full of shit when making claims of this. Humans have to right to breathe clean air before someone else has the right to pollute it. You wanna smoke fine do it...but dont expect that the rest have to put up with it simply because you pay 20.00 for a meal. Not smoking around others to Me is just a common courtesy,If I want to die thats My problem...I'm not taking someone else with Me. The thing that gets Me is the cars...which is why most States have Emmissions Control,unfortunately its not always easy to enforce. Jersey is pretty tough on the emissions control

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 12:05:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressBG As Cigar Dave calls them, "The Pleasure Police"! lol (a.k.a. liberal left wing morons that have nothing better to do than try to make everyone else as miserable as they are!) I believe it should be up to the individual business owner if they wish to allow smoking in their business or not....as far as the dangers of second hand smoke itself, there's absolutely no concrete evidence that second hand smoke affects a person's health ... this, again, is left wing liberal b/s.[;)] Doesnt anyone besides Me read medical journal? Since when is there NO concrete evidence it doesnt? How many babies are born premature because of the mother smoking,My niece was 2 months early and only 4lb...and My sis smoked.she did with the next two also and they both were under 5 pounds...I have seen the proof. The cigerette companies are hurting and are trying to convice everyone its not as bad as everyone thinks...hmmm sounds familiar...like what they have always done. In Maine they run ads on tv and radio of Teens who lost parents to smoking... Listen to them or watch one commercial and then tell Me its not hurting anyone but the smoker.

marieToo -> RE: Second hand smoke (8/3/2006 12:06:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver You're wasting your time arguing, this debate has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with prejudice. If those anti-smokers were really concerned about health issues they wouldn't be driving a car, eating pesticide treated food, genetically modified food and they wouldn't buy modern furniture or live in houses made with modern materials. All of which are reckoned to cause more cancers than smoke. While they are bellicose about their rights they do not care about other peoples rights to walk along streets free from traffic pollution which is far more dangerous than cigarette smoke so I would just ignore them. "Dangerous" is a matter of personal opinion. Do you think its your place to decide what is dangerous for anyone other than yourself?

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