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ORIGINAL: MistressSassy66

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ORIGINAL: MistressStchWich

I actually had a guy who was 400 = pounds sit next to me one time (while I was smoking) and then whine that his doctor told him to stay away from second hand smoke and I needed to put my cigarette out...I laughed and told him apparently he didn give three figs what his doctor said if his physical condition was any indication...
And for you whiny non-smokers...when you park your car, stop killing animals and wildlife with your chemical plant out put and chopping down the rain forest, I'll put them in the trash and never smoke another one. I don't imagine there are going to be very many of you buffet over- eating, couch potato-where's the remote? SUV driving whiners can just put on your big girl panties and deal. So bring on the ugly emails....lol

OMG...thats just too funny.LMAO

I am a Whiney Non-Smoker...I am also a Tree Hugger who doesnt leave Her car
running or believe in killing animals for sport.I also happen to be a veggie-saurus.Who supports Her local Growers.I do own an SUV,but I make sure its not polluting the air,by maintaining it.If I didnt have to be Moms Taxi Service,as We live in the woods of Maine,I would have a smaller car.Ohhh and by the way...I reuse My shopping bags and have canvas ones also...The really big ones for My Big Girl panties,so when I do My Volunteer work at the local Library,My fat white ass aint hanging out...LOL

LOL Sassy

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If you're anti-smoking and you drive a solar powered car, I salute your cause.

If you're anti-smoking and infecting my lungs with masses of carbon monoxide, I really fail to see where your argument can be anything but sheer hypocrisy.

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

If you believe in your right to smoke, but not in my right to piss out of my window on the 25th floor on a windy day, you're a hypocrite.

Okay, this thread has been brought down to a new low.  Non-smokers are making decent arguments, smokers are mocking others and saying that any non-smokers with bad breath are polluting as much as they are (not quite, but close enough)

I'm not anti smoking, but seriously, if you can't argue for your cause, walk away.  You're making the smoking lobby look worse than it already does, and that's bad.

Yours,


benji

Edited because pissing out of a widow seems a bit too kinky.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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If you're anti-smoking and you drive a solar powered car, I salute your cause.

If you're anti-smoking and infecting my lungs with masses of carbon monoxide, I really fail to see where your argument can be anything but sheer hypocrisy.

Ahhh yes, the old blame the victim strategy.

If people were driving their cars into restaurants and theatres to leave the motors running, that would be one thing.

But saying that you have a right to add to pollution because there is already pollution is no better than saying women who have enjoyed sex shouldn't bitch about being raped.

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

What you just said is akin to me saying

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that, because welding is legal in certain areas, I should be allowed to weld at bars, in restaurants,

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and if someone approaches me on the street about me welding on a crosswalk, I should be allowed to punch them.

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Its legality and it being unhealthy, annoying, disgusting, and highly addictive are two very different things.

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

The main argument for the restaurant laws is not customers, but staff.  It is a health and safety issue to have staff working 8 hours a day in a smoky environment.  And before anyone even says it, staff can not simply decide to work at a non-smoking restaurant, just as window washers should not have to choose to work at a company that allows safety harnesses.

(Do you get that analogy?)

Yours,


benji

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

(Do you get that analogy?)

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

(Do you get that analogy?)

Apparently not.

What I said is that staff SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.

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It is not always easy to find a job, and, much like any other health and safety regulation, should apply at all restaurants, so staff do not have to turn down a good job because they don't want to die early.

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Your analogy is a preference - city street air is not a significant health risk, except in tunnels or when sucked directly out of an exhaust pipe.

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Second hand smoke is a serious healh risk, especially when exposed to it for 40 hours a week.

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Now, if smoking in a restaurant is not illegal, that's different.  I am simply saying I support the laws coming into effect, and that the reason for them is mainly for staff, not only for guests.

And a quick last point about welding in a restaurant - I'm not saying it makes sense to do so, I'm simply saying that, on many levels, it is similar to smoking in a restaurant.  It is a legal activity, which makes a lot of sense when done properly, but is a major nuisance in public.  And as any addicted welder

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will tell you, it SHOULD be allowed in restaurants, mainly because anyone who doesn't like it is infringing upon his rights.

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(That last point was somewhat facetious.  But anyway, my mother always said, "never argue with an idiot.  They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."  I'd try to debate more, but it's apparent listening is not your strong suit.)

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What I said is that staff SHOULD NOT HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.  It is not always easy to find a job, and, much like any other health and safety regulation, should apply at all restaurants, so staff do not have to turn down a good job because they don't want to die early.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

fast reply.....

For chrissake....my point wasn't about someone's high fat diet affecting anyone else, my point wasn't about higher insurance premiums....my point was about FREEDOMS.

My point is that this whole anti-smoking thing has gone too far.

I agree that smokers and non-smokers should have their own private spaces when it comes to indoor public places....there I said it. I don't believe that smokers have a right to pollute someone else's air in a non consensual manner. And guess what....CURRENTLY       I SMOKE!!!

But I didn't want to get into all of this second hand smoke bullshit because COMMON SENSE should make that argument null and void.

I was talking about FREEDOMS....FREEDOMS to do what you want to do in the privacy of your own home on your own time.

I brought up Howard Weyers of Weyco Insurance, not because I was trying to make a point about higher insurance premiums....but because he is the first EMPLOYER who has set the precedent of giving all of his employees an ultimatum......quit smoking in ... amount of time or be fired. He is the first EMPLOYER who has set a precedent of randomly nicotine testing his employees. He is the first EMPLOYER who has set a precedent of making it standard practice that potential employees be screened for nicotine and denied employment based solely upon their smoking status.

Now we are not talking about smoking on company property or in any enclosed space where one person's smoke may affect another....we are talking about an employer limiting the freedom you have to do what you want to do on your own time...in your own car....in your own home.

Howard Weyers used his insurance business for the weight behind his efforts and succeeded. Now I can tell you that I have had many a personal conversation with Mr. Weyers. He wanted to push the weight issue first as that is his big pet peeve, but he thought that the smoking thing would draw more support. He fully intends to tackle weight next. An ultimatum to his employees to be within the recommended height/weight fat ratio, body guidelines, cholesterol and trigylcerides within normal limits, exercise that can be proven according to recommended guidelines within .... amount of time or you are fired. Potential employees will have to submit to testing and fall within the guidelines or they will be denied employment.

My point was that we stand on a very slippery slope. When we allow our freedoms to be limited....we risk losing all of our freedoms.