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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 3:55:09 PM   
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My first post went unanswered and the only msm making it broadcast was rachel
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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 3:56:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: satanscharmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wasnt an emergency manager being implanted supposed to make things better?
Snyder has been in charge since what 2011?
took voting out of the hands of the people.
The buck stops with snyder, he has had it for five years, and as such decieved and poisoned thousands of people and delayed help. ANd is still waffling.
And whats more, he still wants residents to pay for water that is poisoning them.
Yes people both dem and con need to answer for this.
THe EPA chick has gone, by the way, does anyone believe that ONLY liberals work for the EPA????

Im glad it has been in the news and brought the other places its happening quietly to is bringing it to the forefront in some places.




The point of the EMs was not to fix the cities but to fix their budgets. Cuts have been the focus, not improving the cities or increasing revenue. It's using toilet paper as a bandaid.

"A manager temporarily supplants the governing body, chief executive officer and/or chief administrative officer of the local government with the ability to remove any of the unit's elected officials should they refuse to provide any information or assistance. Managers have complete control over the local unit with the ability to reduce pay, outsource work, reorganize departments and modify employee contracts."

I haven't been paying attention to the political parties of the people involved, so I don't know if the EPA consists of just liberals - I'd like to think not. Snyder's "winged monkeys" consist of both party sides, I'm pretty sure. Michigan doesn't bleed blue, or red for that matter.

Yeah, Snyder did take voting from the hands of the people. Setting aside all the other issues I have with him regarding his taxes and policies, that by far pisses me off the most.
Snyder was involved in meetings in the beginning and talks when things were going sour (before it going public). But he refused to release emails prior to 2014. As part of a lawsuit, his (and several others including those from the EPA) emails are being subpoenaed dating back to 2011.
But, yanno, showing my disdain for someone makes me partisan.

A horrible lesson learned, but hopefully it will be learned. There's so much to take out of this.



I outlined the party affiliations of everyone involved in this debacle early in the thread. With the exception of the emergency managers and snyder, every person was a democrat.

For the record, I have no objection to holding snyder responsible should it transpire that he did something culpable.

What I object to is saying at this point - that the problem is due to the EM's or Snyder. The decision to use Flint water was made by the City council - and the EM agreed to it.

I've gone through the litany.. the decision to form the KWA wasn't done by republicans
the decision to cut off waterwasn't done by republicans
the decision to falsify testing wasn't done by republicans
the deicison to switch to flint water wasn't done by republicans.
the decision to sit on posoned water results wasn't done by republicans.

So I say again - this problem was not caused by republicans. Flint had lead pipes for 34 years before there was a republican EM.
Flint made the decision to start with the KWA 3 years before the EM

So - how about we fire the entire unionized DWDS.
how about we replace the city and water water safety inspectors.

How about we sue the engineering firm that did the design work for the water plant

You start talking about holding the actual people responsilbe, responsible and you'll find me in agreement. Try to make this a partisan witch hunt to get Snyder, in the absence of evidence, and I'll keep talking about evidence of all the actual crimes that actual democrats committed.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 6:18:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I agree with you, i was pointing out that phydeaux has made it partisan since he started posing on the thread, not you.
I apologise if you thought i meant you.



Oh, I didn't.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 6:45:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: satanscharmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wasnt an emergency manager being implanted supposed to make things better?
Snyder has been in charge since what 2011?
took voting out of the hands of the people.
The buck stops with snyder, he has had it for five years, and as such decieved and poisoned thousands of people and delayed help. ANd is still waffling.
And whats more, he still wants residents to pay for water that is poisoning them.
Yes people both dem and con need to answer for this.
THe EPA chick has gone, by the way, does anyone believe that ONLY liberals work for the EPA????

Im glad it has been in the news and brought the other places its happening quietly to is bringing it to the forefront in some places.




The point of the EMs was not to fix the cities but to fix their budgets. Cuts have been the focus, not improving the cities or increasing revenue. It's using toilet paper as a bandaid.

"A manager temporarily supplants the governing body, chief executive officer and/or chief administrative officer of the local government with the ability to remove any of the unit's elected officials should they refuse to provide any information or assistance. Managers have complete control over the local unit with the ability to reduce pay, outsource work, reorganize departments and modify employee contracts."

I haven't been paying attention to the political parties of the people involved, so I don't know if the EPA consists of just liberals - I'd like to think not. Snyder's "winged monkeys" consist of both party sides, I'm pretty sure. Michigan doesn't bleed blue, or red for that matter.

Yeah, Snyder did take voting from the hands of the people. Setting aside all the other issues I have with him regarding his taxes and policies, that by far pisses me off the most.
Snyder was involved in meetings in the beginning and talks when things were going sour (before it going public). But he refused to release emails prior to 2014. As part of a lawsuit, his (and several others including those from the EPA) emails are being subpoenaed dating back to 2011.
But, yanno, showing my disdain for someone makes me partisan.

A horrible lesson learned, but hopefully it will be learned. There's so much to take out of this.



I outlined the party affiliations of everyone involved in this debacle early in the thread. With the exception of the emergency managers and snyder, every person was a democrat.

For the record, I have no objection to holding snyder responsible should it transpire that he did something culpable.

What I object to is saying at this point - that the problem is due to the EM's or Snyder. The decision to use Flint water was made by the City council - and the EM agreed to it.

I've gone through the litany.. the decision to form the KWA wasn't done by republicans
the decision to cut off waterwasn't done by republicans
the decision to falsify testing wasn't done by republicans
the deicison to switch to flint water wasn't done by republicans.
the decision to sit on posoned water results wasn't done by republicans.

So I say again - this problem was not caused by republicans. Flint had lead pipes for 34 years before there was a republican EM.
Flint made the decision to start with the KWA 3 years before the EM

So - how about we fire the entire unionized DWDS.
how about we replace the city and water water safety inspectors.

How about we sue the engineering firm that did the design work for the water plant

You start talking about holding the actual people responsilbe, responsible and you'll find me in agreement. Try to make this a partisan witch hunt to get Snyder, in the absence of evidence, and I'll keep talking about evidence of all the actual crimes that actual democrats committed.




I did not and will not state Republicans are to blame, and I did not and will not state Democrats are to blame.
What I will state is that there are a lot of people to blame and a lot of changes that need to be made - everywhere.

You state I have no proof that Snyder is guilty of anything. But just the same, you have no proof the city council is to blame.
However, more evidence stacks up against the governor than the city council at this point. No one, except the parties that were actually involved, know exactly what went on at this point. Not you, not me. I have made a conclusion based on the information I have seen, and you have done the same. I would rather start at the top and work downward. If those at the top were the cause of this, like I believe they were, they should not be left in charge. Then move down the line until it ends.
My belief that Snyder is guilty has nothing to do with him being a Republican. I am a huge cynic. I approach all people with doubt and caution - especially politicians, both Republicans and Democrats.

At this point I think it's pretty safe to say that we will not agree anywhere through this thread.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 7:00:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: satanscharmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: satanscharmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wasnt an emergency manager being implanted supposed to make things better?
Snyder has been in charge since what 2011?
took voting out of the hands of the people.
The buck stops with snyder, he has had it for five years, and as such decieved and poisoned thousands of people and delayed help. ANd is still waffling.
And whats more, he still wants residents to pay for water that is poisoning them.
Yes people both dem and con need to answer for this.
THe EPA chick has gone, by the way, does anyone believe that ONLY liberals work for the EPA????

Im glad it has been in the news and brought the other places its happening quietly to is bringing it to the forefront in some places.




The point of the EMs was not to fix the cities but to fix their budgets. Cuts have been the focus, not improving the cities or increasing revenue. It's using toilet paper as a bandaid.

"A manager temporarily supplants the governing body, chief executive officer and/or chief administrative officer of the local government with the ability to remove any of the unit's elected officials should they refuse to provide any information or assistance. Managers have complete control over the local unit with the ability to reduce pay, outsource work, reorganize departments and modify employee contracts."

I haven't been paying attention to the political parties of the people involved, so I don't know if the EPA consists of just liberals - I'd like to think not. Snyder's "winged monkeys" consist of both party sides, I'm pretty sure. Michigan doesn't bleed blue, or red for that matter.

Yeah, Snyder did take voting from the hands of the people. Setting aside all the other issues I have with him regarding his taxes and policies, that by far pisses me off the most.
Snyder was involved in meetings in the beginning and talks when things were going sour (before it going public). But he refused to release emails prior to 2014. As part of a lawsuit, his (and several others including those from the EPA) emails are being subpoenaed dating back to 2011.
But, yanno, showing my disdain for someone makes me partisan.

A horrible lesson learned, but hopefully it will be learned. There's so much to take out of this.



I outlined the party affiliations of everyone involved in this debacle early in the thread. With the exception of the emergency managers and snyder, every person was a democrat.

For the record, I have no objection to holding snyder responsible should it transpire that he did something culpable.

What I object to is saying at this point - that the problem is due to the EM's or Snyder. The decision to use Flint water was made by the City council - and the EM agreed to it.

I've gone through the litany.. the decision to form the KWA wasn't done by republicans
the decision to cut off waterwasn't done by republicans
the decision to falsify testing wasn't done by republicans
the deicison to switch to flint water wasn't done by republicans.
the decision to sit on posoned water results wasn't done by republicans.

So I say again - this problem was not caused by republicans. Flint had lead pipes for 34 years before there was a republican EM.
Flint made the decision to start with the KWA 3 years before the EM

So - how about we fire the entire unionized DWDS.
how about we replace the city and water water safety inspectors.

How about we sue the engineering firm that did the design work for the water plant

You start talking about holding the actual people responsilbe, responsible and you'll find me in agreement. Try to make this a partisan witch hunt to get Snyder, in the absence of evidence, and I'll keep talking about evidence of all the actual crimes that actual democrats committed.




I did not and will not state Republicans are to blame, and I did not and will not state Democrats are to blame.
What I will state is that there are a lot of people to blame and a lot of changes that need to be made - everywhere.

You state I have no proof that Snyder is guilty of anything. But just the same, you have no proof the city council is to blame.
However, more evidence stacks up against the governor than the city council at this point. No one, except the parties that were actually involved, know exactly what went on at this point. Not you, not me. I have made a conclusion based on the information I have seen, and you have done the same. I would rather start at the top and work downward. If those at the top were the cause of this, like I believe they were, they should not be left in charge. Then move down the line until it ends.
My belief that Snyder is guilty has nothing to do with him being a Republican. I am a huge cynic. I approach all people with doubt and caution - especially politicians, both Republicans and Democrats.

At this point I think it's pretty safe to say that we will not agree anywhere through this thread.



Your own source says the city council voted to use Flint River water and the EM (who is only there to balance the budget) approved their decision.
How is that no evidence?

The FOIA'd email proved that the epa administrator sat on the test results for 8 months.
Dan Wyant - the head of the DEQ resigned, saying he'd made errors - how is that not proof? - Saying they'd held Flint to the wrong water standard?

The records on the water testing showed the fraudulent water testing.

The design of the water plant, and the testing protocol shows that no or inadequate provision to treat corrosion. How in the hell is a bad water plant design and treatment protocol no evidence?

There is no way an objective person can read the publicly available documentation and conclude there is no evidence of wrong doing.

None.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 7:05:17 PM   
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quote:

Your own source says the city council voted to use Flint River water


No, it didn't, but there you go again. I'm not debating in circles. I'm done debating this with you.

Go ahead and have your last word...

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/7/2016 7:19:18 PM   
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Let me quote you one of my sources:
https://www.cityofflint.com/wp-content/uploads/CoF-Water-System-FAQ-1-16-2015.pdf

quote:

As a result of extensive evaluation, discussions with the professional engineers, and
consulting the state regulators, the Department of Public Works along with the Finance
Department recommended utilizing the Flint River as a temporary water source while
waiting for the KWA to come online. The plan to accomplish this was accompanied with
a construction timeline, a needs analysis for resources, and an FY 14 spending plan
to complete the project.


The whole thing is well worth reading.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 1:28:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Let me quote you one of my sources:
https://www.cityofflint.com/wp-content/uploads/CoF-Water-System-FAQ-1-16-2015.pdf

quote:

As a result of extensive evaluation, discussions with the professional engineers, and
consulting the state regulators, the Department of Public Works along with the Finance
Department recommended utilizing the Flint River as a temporary water source while
waiting for the KWA to come online. The plan to accomplish this was accompanied with
a construction timeline, a needs analysis for resources, and an FY 14 spending plan
to complete the project.


The whole thing is well worth reading.



Ye and it also has this first para. The City concluded from this work that the Flint River
presented a safe and financially responsible alternative water source. The decision to
use the Flint River as an intermediate water source was approved by state regulatory
officials in 2014
whereby the City was permifted by the Michigan Department of
Environmental Quality
to proceed with treatment of water from the Flint River.

So it seems that the state did have a hand in this and I am wondering if they are all gone now. If not, they should be. Plus they should have been called to testify in congress in addition to the federal EPA.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 3:01:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wasnt an emergency manager being implanted supposed to make things better?
Snyder has been in charge since what 2011?
took voting out of the hands of the people.
The buck stops with snyder, he has had it for five years, and as such decieved and poisoned thousands of people and delayed help. ANd is still waffling.
And whats more, he still wants residents to pay for water that is poisoning them.
Yes people both dem and con need to answer for this.
THe EPA chick has gone, by the way, does anyone believe that ONLY liberals work for the EPA????

Im glad it has been in the news and brought the other places its happening quietly to is bringing it to the forefront in some places.




Sure he does... http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/snyder-ask-legislature-30m-flint-bills/79737148/

"Gov. Rick Snyder confirmed Wednesday that he will ask the state Legislature to approve a $30-million, water-payment relief plan for Flint residents to keep their water service on and reimburse them for water they cannot drink because of lead contamination."

and that is not the worse thing he has done...I've read online that the bastard had the nerve to throw his wife a birthday party. How dare he celebrate anything when people are suffering. He should be sitting at home covered in sackcloth and ashes.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 9:11:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

wasnt an emergency manager being implanted supposed to make things better?
Snyder has been in charge since what 2011?
took voting out of the hands of the people.
The buck stops with snyder, he has had it for five years, and as such decieved and poisoned thousands of people and delayed help. ANd is still waffling.
And whats more, he still wants residents to pay for water that is poisoning them.
Yes people both dem and con need to answer for this.
THe EPA chick has gone, by the way, does anyone believe that ONLY liberals work for the EPA????

Im glad it has been in the news and brought the other places its happening quietly to is bringing it to the forefront in some places.




Sure he does... http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/snyder-ask-legislature-30m-flint-bills/79737148/

"Gov. Rick Snyder confirmed Wednesday that he will ask the state Legislature to approve a $30-million, water-payment relief plan for Flint residents to keep their water service on and reimburse them for water they cannot drink because of lead contamination."

and that is not the worse thing he has done...I've read online that the bastard had the nerve to throw his wife a birthday party. How dare he celebrate anything when people are suffering. He should be sitting at home covered in sackcloth and ashes.


This was the story I got it from,
LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Legislative leaders said Wednesday they are open to spending $30 million to help pay the water bills of Flint residents facing an emergency over a lead-contaminated water supply, though a top Democrat said the proposed state funding should be doubled.

Gov. Rick Snyder briefed city officials and pastors in Flint earlier in the day about his plan, which he will formally outline to the Republican-controlled Legislature next week in conjunction with his annual budget proposal. Details of the plan were first obtained by The Associated Press late Tuesday.

The aid would cover the estimated portion of residential customers' utility bills for water that has been or will be used for drinking, cooking or bathing between April 2014 — when the city's water source was switched — and this spring. Customers would still be responsible for paying for water used for other purposes, such as to flush toilets or wash clothes.

Snyder has apologized for regulatory mistakes that caused Flint's water to become tainted with lead from old pipes after the city started tapping the Flint River instead of Detroit's water system in 2014. The switch was made in an effort to save money while the cash-strapped city was under state financial management.

Senate Minority Leader Jim Ananich, a Democrat from Flint, said Snyder's proposal was a step in the right direction. But he said the state should fully cover the water portion of customers' water/sewer bills and double the amount to cover the costs to $60 million, because the state was "almost wholly culpable for this problem."

Senate Majority Leader Arlan Meekhof, R-West Olive, said "there's a good argument to be made" for assisting with bills because government "at every level" failed the city's water customers.

An estimated 21,000 residential customers continued paying their water/sewer bills since the switch occurred, while 9,000 customers have not, according to the Snyder administration.

The 21,000 paying customers, in addition to people who have since moved away, would get a credit for 65 percent of the water portion of their combined water/sewer bill. That's the part of the bill that Snyder estimates is used for water that could be ingested or come into contact with skin.

The 9,000 residential customers in arrears would be put on a payment plan to catch up on sewer charges and 35 percent of their water fees, potentially over a period of years.

"I agree with Flint residents, that they should not have to pay for water they cannot drink," Snyder said in a statement.

But Ananich criticized the plan, saying the percentage was "picked out of the air." He said the full cost of the water "from the beginning" should be reimbursed.

"It's another example of looking at this from an overly technical view as opposed to a human view," he said.


He pointed to Flint's water problems, including elevated levels of lead in some local children's blood, increases in Legionnaires' disease deaths, E. coli and carcinogenic disinfectant byproducts.

Businesses and other commercial customers would get a 20 percent credit for the water portion of their bill.

Sewer fees account for a little more than half of a typical Flint resident's bill. So a household that pays $150 a month could get a $46 monthly credit, or about $1,100 for 24 months.

Snyder's office estimates that the $30 million Consumption and Consumer Use Credit — available because of a one-time $575 million budget surplus — would cover a two-year period until this spring, when officials hope the water supply is declared safe to consume again without filters.


Marc Edwards, a Virginia Tech professor who helped expose the lead problem in September, supports the plan.

"It's hard to find moral justification in having (residents) pay for water that is not suitable for consumption nor, until recently, for bathing. This essentially refunds all the money associated with consumption or consumer use," Edwards said.


It is unclear how quickly customers could start to be reimbursed for their water bills if the funding is approved.

The additional $30 million will be included in a supplemental bill for the current fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30, and not the 2016-17 spending plan, state budget office spokesman Kurt Weiss said.

The governor and legislators have enacted $37 million in emergency Flint funding this budget year, including $3 million to help the Flint Utilities Department with unpaid bills.

Snyder is expected to propose other Flint-related funding in his budget plans next week.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c81cf59f07ca4f669c99c954714cdf0d/snyder-calls-30m-state-help-flint-water-bills
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your strawman about his wife is bogus and really pathetic swipe that i havent even mentioned, but thanks for bringing it up.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 10:47:22 AM   
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From the Hill
Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) is turning down a request from House Democrats that he testify about his role in Flint, Mich.’s drinking water crisis.

Snyder spokeswoman Anna Heaton said Monday that the governor won’t attend on Wednesday because he’s due to present his annual budget proposal that day in Michigan.

The hearing is being called by the Democrats' partisan Steering Committee, which does not have subpoena power. It will be the second by lawmakers on Flint's lead contamination, and the second at which Snyder will not testify.

Rep. Dan Kildee (D), who represents and lives in Flint, called Snyder’s refusal “deeply disappointing.”
“His administration's policies led to this man-made crisis, and he needs to answer questions so that the whole truth can be found,” said Kildee, who House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) appointed to the Steering Committee last week.

“Flint families deserve answers and immediate solutions from the state about what is being done to make things right for the people of Flint.”

Snyder had authority over the emergency manager responsible for Flint’s 2014 switch in drinking water sources, which led to pipe corrosion and lead leaching into city water.

Later, Snyder's staff and the state's Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) repeatedly downplayed residents’ concerns about the water and pushed back at efforts by the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to use corrosion controls that would have prevented the lead contamination.

“Seeing how it was your administration’s decisions that led to this public health crisis, including Michigan’s Emergency Manager Law, we believe it is important to hear testimony from you on this matter,” Democrats on the caucus’s Steering and Policy Committee wrote last week in a letter to Snyder.

“The ongoing Flint water crisis is a terrible tragedy,” they added. “As the governor of the state of Michigan, the families of Flint and all Americans deserve to hear testimony directly from you on how this man-made crisis happened, and what is being done at the state level to make it right.”


http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/268611-michigan-governor-wont-go-to-dems-hearing-on-flint




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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 12:11:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Let me quote you one of my sources:
https://www.cityofflint.com/wp-content/uploads/CoF-Water-System-FAQ-1-16-2015.pdf

quote:

As a result of extensive evaluation, discussions with the professional engineers, and
consulting the state regulators, the Department of Public Works along with the Finance
Department recommended utilizing the Flint River as a temporary water source while
waiting for the KWA to come online. The plan to accomplish this was accompanied with
a construction timeline, a needs analysis for resources, and an FY 14 spending plan
to complete the project.


The whole thing is well worth reading.



Ye and it also has this first para. The City concluded from this work that the Flint River
presented a safe and financially responsible alternative water source. The decision to
use the Flint River as an intermediate water source was approved by state regulatory
officials in 2014
whereby the City was permifted by the Michigan Department of
Environmental Quality
to proceed with treatment of water from the Flint River.

So it seems that the state did have a hand in this and I am wondering if they are all gone now. If not, they should be. Plus they should have been called to testify in congress in addition to the federal EPA.


I've never said the state didn't have a role. I've been jumping up and down about MDEQ since this started. But the guy in charge already resigned, acknowleging mistakes were made.

The point is, however, that the decision wasn't made by the EM as has been erroneously stated by tj; satanscharmer; and lucy. Unlike them, I believe that all the people responsible should be punished.

The head of Flint's Dept of Public Works - should be fired & criminal charges brought.
The water testers for the city of flint should be fired.
The engineer that did the retrofit of the plant should lose his license
The guy at the DEQ has already resigned.
The union goons at DWDS should be fired.

So as much as hyper partisan hypocrites want to make this a "Snyder & Co " witch hunt - what the evidence shows is the city of flint, based on advise from their handpicked engineering firm went ahead and chose to use the flint water.

Whose to blame:
The union goon at Detroit water - who played politics with water and shut off flint's water.
The Flint Public water works - that falsified water testing results.
The EPA administrator - who sat on the poison results for 8 months.
The engineerring firm / Public works -for failing to appropriately treat the water, even though the hazards were correctly identified in multiple reports.




As for the invitation to testify. Yeah.. thats not partisan.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 12:51:46 PM   
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Oh, now, that is pure asswipe, you know the nutsuckers are going to felch for each other.


http://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/15/emergency_for_democracy_unelected_manager_who

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 1:20:23 PM   
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Chafetz hasnt subpoenad Snyder or request a hearing him, like thats not partisan.




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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 1:23:01 PM   
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Where is Harry Gowdy, we will need at least 12 hearings on this.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 3:23:59 PM   
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quote:

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Oh, now, that is pure asswipe, you know the nutsuckers are going to felch for each other.


http://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/15/emergency_for_democracy_unelected_manager_who


Yeah, quoting a "progressive" front is unbiased. Noticed you have no actual dispute with the facts from the flint report saying that the decision was made by the public works department overseen by the council...

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/9/2016 3:47:13 PM   
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quote:

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Where is Harry Gowdy, we will need at least 12 hearings on this.

At the same time
" cant get caught again..." channeling the who...

still singin live...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7hvZjjsO28



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/10/2016 2:59:11 AM   
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Not bogus that I am aware of, but then again it came from a liberal site and we all know how they lie so you might be right. Also not a strawman, just a interesting little tidbit I had heard. That's how conversations work. One thing leads to another.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/10/2016 3:08:05 AM   
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Asosciated Press is hardly liberal.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/11/2016 2:52:37 AM   
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Asosciated Press is hardly liberal.





Where did I mention the associated press?

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