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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/30/2016 11:19:37 PM   
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Its your side that's been making this a partisan issue, calling for the resignation of Snyder; calling republicans the cause, instead of fucking trying to solve the damn issue. But once again - it isn't a republican that caused this crisis, no matter how much you want it to be.

Its disgusting. There isn't a damn independent or republican in the damn country that wouldn't want this problem solved. But your side would rather make it a partisan issue. I've got news for you. Making the poisoning of kids a partisan issue is disgusting and wrong. And instead of trying to make it a witch hunt - you should have been trying to solve the damn problem.

And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 2:36:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Awwwwwwww yes because all the rw outlets were full of news about it, i had so much to link to, oh nope they were
Hiding
Ignoring,
As is their want.
Remember your post about obama leaving those poor boys?
The one link tha gellar wrote about and that fox had to remove?
That was one of your complete failures and rw bullshit hit the fan moments.
He is the falll guy wether you like it or not.
Oh rightfully so
It actually happened on his watch, his to wriggle out of.

I should have been solving the dam problem, why?
YOU SHOULD BE. Not screeching unfair unfair.
Oh and again.
I am only responsible for myself, not tj or anyone else.
You would still be elbow deep in the arse of the hilary haters thread.
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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 3:42:03 AM   
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Bullshit lucy.

Its your side that's been making this a partisan issue, calling for the resignation of Snyder; calling republicans the cause, instead of fucking trying to solve the damn issue. But once again - it isn't a republican that caused this crisis, no matter how much you want it to be.

Its disgusting. There isn't a damn independent or republican in the damn country that wouldn't want this problem solved. But your side would rather make it a partisan issue. I've got news for you. Making the poisoning of kids a partisan issue is disgusting and wrong. And instead of trying to make it a witch hunt - you should have been trying to solve the damn problem.

And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.


Actually it's been Michael Moore who has been trying to twist this into a "republicans are evil" plot. Of course he also claims to be a victim in this mess and I haven't found anywhere that says he still lives there. He has his apartment in Traverse City that he wants to donate to a refugee family http://www.newsmax.com/US/michael-moore-opens-home-syrian/2015/11/30/id/703993/ and he has his mansion on Torch Lake that never gets mentioned. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/14/michael-moores-michigan-mansion-makes-him-1-percenter-report-says/ But nothing about a place in Flint. Makes me wonder if he might be less than honest in his ravings.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 3:50:21 AM   
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Poor bleeding heart liberals. Never let facts get in the way of a good lyniching.
And heres the facts:
5% of the children in Flint had elevated lead levels. Now 5% is still too much .. but.. how does that compare with other places in Michigan.
Well, Destroit, Hamtramck and Highland Park had 13.5 % of children with elevated lead.
Grand Rapids had almost 10%.
Adrian had 12%.
In the 48206 Zip code of detroit, 20.3% of children had elevated lead.
In 2002, 25.6% of children in Michigan had elevated lead levels - and those numbers have been declining to 3.9% in 2013 and 3.5% in 2014.
And the source of that info: the detroit news. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/27/many-michigan-cities-higher-lead-levels-flint/79438144/
Also, for the record: the detroit free press says the increase in elevated lead is 3.8%, since Flint's previous tests had 2.5% lead.
Now understand - the source of the poisoning was their houses. The water chemistry of the flint river water increased the solubility. So the fact of the matter is these people were being poisoned by lead all of their life - just a slower rates.
More than 60,000 homes in flint are already on the list for lead abatement - but sadly, only 1,500 were completed last year - the HIGHEST in years.


You can't blame previous governments/administrations for higher lead levels in children in other cities. From the article you cited:
    quote:

    In much of the state where lead is a problem, the source of poisoning has been the traditional culprits: old lead paint on homes built before 1978 and lead residue in dust and soil.


Unless the previous governments forced people to paint with lead paint, or had government contractors doing the work - and after the risks of lead based paints were known - you can't really blame them for that lead issue.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 3:58:25 AM   
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Hmmmmm only argument i have with that post apart from the partisan crap is that you completely neglect to mention that the stats are only based on those kids actually tested.
I wonder what will show now more kids have been tested.


What should the stats have been based on? kids that hadn't actually been tested? Regardless of how many kids have or have not been tested, the results are only going to be based those kids actually tested.

I did read an article that stated a particular location had an incredibly high rate, but it was 7 of the 12 children tested, sot he sample size didn't strike me as high enough.

This data might get skewed, too. Unless they are going to take a representative sample of all kids, whether or not they are showing any signs of illness, the results will tend to be higher than reality. You can't really get an accurate representation of how many Americans drink alcohol by gathering all your data from bars.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 4:46:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The testing being done recently isnt just from kids who show poisoning issues
the sample rates and the lead levels ARENT telling anyone what they need to know
This should have been done a year ago, when the state was shipping out water coolers to state workers who had to tell the public there was nothing to worry about.
WHat about the ohio situation, is that getting addressed more publicly now?

Oh and the lead levels in previous testing shown, isnt just for water related lead, it was also for soil and environmental lead poisoning(lead paint).



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 3:37:14 PM   
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The testing being done recently isnt just from kids who show poisoning issues
the sample rates and the lead levels ARENT telling anyone what they need to know
This should have been done a year ago, when the state was shipping out water coolers to state workers who had to tell the public there was nothing to worry about.
WHat about the ohio situation, is that getting addressed more publicly now?
Oh and the lead levels in previous testing shown, isnt just for water related lead, it was also for soil and environmental lead poisoning(lead paint).


The "Ohio situation?" The toxic water "situation?" The high level of microcysteine levels that were found, but really weren't there? The bad water that was due to a huge algal bloom near the Lake Erie intake in 2014? No problems with the water in 2015. Oregon (Eastern suburb of Toledo) only gets a portion of it's water from Toledo, and has it's own separate Lake Erie intake, and there were never any positive results (above, at, or below EPA water standards) for microcysteine back in 2014. I believe there has been improvements made (which include upgrading testing methodology to current EPA standards; yes, that's right, the City of Toledo Water Dept. was using old methodology, which caused the false positive, and the re-testing by State EPA in Cinci using the current protocols did not show any issues with the water). THAT situation?

I know previous tests have included paint/soil contamination (and responded to Phydeaux pointing that out). But, we can't expect results from kids that haven't been tested, can we? Unless they are going to do an extensive representative sampling of all children in the areas tested, we won't be able to extrapolate the results to the whole.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/31/2016 4:45:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just another perspective, one that gives a little info about how lead poisoning is reported to the CDC across the nation, and what it registers in other areas.

The was part of a story in our local news, because an Alabama county reported the highest levels of lead than anywhere else in the country. Significantly higher than Flint, and Flint's levels surpassed the 'dangerous' level. In fact several places across the country report higher levels than Flint. Then there are also several states that don't report it at all.

So why is the Flint situation all of a sudden getting so much attention and people scrambling for cover, when this is happening and has been happening all over the country?
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10811004/lead-poisoning-cities-us

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/1/2016 4:36:57 AM   
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Just another perspective, one that gives a little info about how lead poisoning is reported to the CDC across the nation, and what it registers in other areas.
The was part of a story in our local news, because an Alabama county reported the highest levels of lead than anywhere else in the country. Significantly higher than Flint, and Flint's levels surpassed the 'dangerous' level. In fact several places across the country report higher levels than Flint. Then there are also several states that don't report it at all.
So why is the Flint situation all of a sudden getting so much attention and people scrambling for cover, when this is happening and has been happening all over the country?
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10811004/lead-poisoning-cities-us


What the Vox article doesn't mention is if the lead is coming from the public water (which government controls up here), environmental dust, or lead in paint. You can't compare data from lead in paint to lead from public water, and call it the same problem. If you don't want kids to eat lead paint chips from your walls, then you should fix that. If you don't want lead poisoning from public water, you can't necessarily fix that yourself.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/1/2016 11:50:46 PM   
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Poor bleeding heart liberals. Never let facts get in the way of a good lyniching.
And heres the facts:
5% of the children in Flint had elevated lead levels. Now 5% is still too much .. but.. how does that compare with other places in Michigan.
Well, Destroit, Hamtramck and Highland Park had 13.5 % of children with elevated lead.
Grand Rapids had almost 10%.
Adrian had 12%.
In the 48206 Zip code of detroit, 20.3% of children had elevated lead.
In 2002, 25.6% of children in Michigan had elevated lead levels - and those numbers have been declining to 3.9% in 2013 and 3.5% in 2014.
And the source of that info: the detroit news. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/27/many-michigan-cities-higher-lead-levels-flint/79438144/
Also, for the record: the detroit free press says the increase in elevated lead is 3.8%, since Flint's previous tests had 2.5% lead.
Now understand - the source of the poisoning was their houses. The water chemistry of the flint river water increased the solubility. So the fact of the matter is these people were being poisoned by lead all of their life - just a slower rates.
More than 60,000 homes in flint are already on the list for lead abatement - but sadly, only 1,500 were completed last year - the HIGHEST in years.


You can't blame previous governments/administrations for higher lead levels in children in other cities. From the article you cited:
    quote:

    In much of the state where lead is a problem, the source of poisoning has been the traditional culprits: old lead paint on homes built before 1978 and lead residue in dust and soil.


Unless the previous governments forced people to paint with lead paint, or had government contractors doing the work - and after the risks of lead based paints were known - you can't really blame them for that lead issue.



Exactly why can't I blame previous administrations for lead poisoning exactly des? You have some logic fails here, which I'll get into in a minute. But more to the point, if its valid to crucify a republican governor for lead poisoning increase 3.5% - then its equally valid to cruicy the 8 previous democrat governors, or dozens of mayors for lead contamination of 23%.

Returning to the quesiton of the cite you question: read up on it more, and you will find lead solder/ lead pipe contamination is a significant cause in detroit as well. Just because not all the usual culprits aren't listed doesn't mean they aren't part of "usual". And pretty much all the usual suspects are lead contamination of the soil, pain chips, lead pipes. Hat tip to Tetrethyllead, & newsprint....

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/2/2016 2:19:21 PM   
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Just another perspective, one that gives a little info about how lead poisoning is reported to the CDC across the nation, and what it registers in other areas.

The was part of a story in our local news, because an Alabama county reported the highest levels of lead than anywhere else in the country. Significantly higher than Flint, and Flint's levels surpassed the 'dangerous' level. In fact several places across the country report higher levels than Flint. Then there are also several states that don't report it at all.

So why is the Flint situation all of a sudden getting so much attention and people scrambling for cover, when this is happening and has been happening all over the country?
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10811004/lead-poisoning-cities-us


its not all of a sudden.. people have been complaining about Flint water for some time (since the water source was changed and the taste, smell, look of the new water was making people question its safety for use).. now its getting more press play.. making its way into the news.. I would say that people across the US reading/hearing about Flint has them asking whats in their water.. Hopefully they will be putting pressure on their cities to answer them and act to rectify problems.. Seems that ya gotta start a movement to have those in charge thrown in jail to finally get action tho..

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/2/2016 2:26:46 PM   
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Bullshit lucy.

Its your side that's been making this a partisan issue, calling for the resignation of Snyder; calling republicans the cause, instead of fucking trying to solve the damn issue. But once again - it isn't a republican that caused this crisis, no matter how much you want it to be.

Its disgusting. There isn't a damn independent or republican in the damn country that wouldn't want this problem solved. But your side would rather make it a partisan issue. I've got news for you. Making the poisoning of kids a partisan issue is disgusting and wrong. And instead of trying to make it a witch hunt - you should have been trying to solve the damn problem.

And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.


Actually it's been Michael Moore who has been trying to twist this into a "republicans are evil" plot. Of course he also claims to be a victim in this mess and I haven't found anywhere that says he still lives there. He has his apartment in Traverse City that he wants to donate to a refugee family http://www.newsmax.com/US/michael-moore-opens-home-syrian/2015/11/30/id/703993/ and he has his mansion on Torch Lake that never gets mentioned. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/14/michael-moores-michigan-mansion-makes-him-1-percenter-report-says/ But nothing about a place in Flint. Makes me wonder if he might be less than honest in his ravings.




maybe he has relatives and friends, former co-workers, former school mates, former associates, etc that still live in Flint??? Heck, he might even go back there and visit them!.. Imo, he doesnt have to live there now to still care about people that still live there or to care about the place he was born and raised in..

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/2/2016 2:31:38 PM   
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And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.


how many times do i have to say that I dont give a shite if a politician is an R or D, its not partisan to me no matter how many times you try to say it is.. ALL POLITICIANS ARE SHITE, imo..

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/2/2016 5:41:45 PM   
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Bullshit lucy.

Its your side that's been making this a partisan issue, calling for the resignation of Snyder; calling republicans the cause, instead of fucking trying to solve the damn issue. But once again - it isn't a republican that caused this crisis, no matter how much you want it to be.

Its disgusting. There isn't a damn independent or republican in the damn country that wouldn't want this problem solved. But your side would rather make it a partisan issue. I've got news for you. Making the poisoning of kids a partisan issue is disgusting and wrong. And instead of trying to make it a witch hunt - you should have been trying to solve the damn problem.

And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.


Actually it's been Michael Moore who has been trying to twist this into a "republicans are evil" plot. Of course he also claims to be a victim in this mess and I haven't found anywhere that says he still lives there. He has his apartment in Traverse City that he wants to donate to a refugee family http://www.newsmax.com/US/michael-moore-opens-home-syrian/2015/11/30/id/703993/ and he has his mansion on Torch Lake that never gets mentioned. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/11/14/michael-moores-michigan-mansion-makes-him-1-percenter-report-says/ But nothing about a place in Flint. Makes me wonder if he might be less than honest in his ravings.




maybe he has relatives and friends, former co-workers, former school mates, former associates, etc that still live in Flint??? Heck, he might even go back there and visit them!.. Imo, he doesnt have to live there now to still care about people that still live there or to care about the place he was born and raised in..


Or maybe he is lying through his teeth as usual.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/2/2016 7:41:51 PM   
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SO according to several places Ive read that over the weekend 300 plumbers turned up to help

MT. MORRIS TOWNSHIP (WJRT) - Many families who rely on Flint city water are having trouble attaching water filters to their faucets because of old or odd shaped fixtures.

Plumbers Manufacturers International along with other unions from across the state and country have donated hundreds of materials, including new faucets, to help people in this time of need.

Genesee County Sheriff Pickell appeared on ABC12 News Saturday Morning to talk about the installation efforts.

Those needing assistance can call 810-257-3600.

http://www.abc12.com/home/headlines/Plumbers-unions-helping-replace-faucets-in-Flint-during-water-emergency-367089531.html

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/02/465246344/plumbers-converge-on-flint-to-help-get-lead-out-its-drinking-water

And let's turn now to Flint, Mich., where we have some rare, good news. That city is in a state of emergency after high lead levels were found in the drinking water. Many residents remain confused and angry. They've been scrambling for accurate information and scrambling for enough bottled water to make it through the day. Well, now help is starting to come in from government agencies, nonprofit groups and from people from all walks of life. Michigan radio's Tracy Samilton reports on a volunteer effort by an often unsung group, plumbers.

TRACY SAMILTON, BYLINE: Since October, plumbers with United Association Local 370 in Flint have been volunteering to install filters and faucets to get lead out of people's tap water. On Saturday, the local guys got some help from a small army of more than 300 plumbers driving in from cities across Michigan. They get a rousing, union-pride welcome from Local 370 official Harold Harrington.



Would be nice to see more action from the bozos in charge.

In other news as WS mentioned it, it is bringing to light an awful lot of high lead levels all over the place.
https://www.minnpost.com/earth-journal/2016/02/flint-crisis-draws-focus-lead-levels-and-adequacy-testing-across-us

im gonna be checking mine....I know we have a 10ppb maximum in TO

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/2/2016 8:42:13 PM   
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10ppb is the legal limits, but the latest round of tests on this subject showed up to 5 pts iq reduction with lead levels of 5 ppb.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/3/2016 5:08:24 AM   
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And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.

how many times do i have to say that I dont give a shite if a politician is an R or D, its not partisan to me no matter how many times you try to say it is.. ALL POLITICIANS ARE SHITE, imo..


Just sayin', but he was responding directly to Lucy...


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/3/2016 8:41:11 AM   
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And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.

how many times do i have to say that I dont give a shite if a politician is an R or D, its not partisan to me no matter how many times you try to say it is.. ALL POLITICIANS ARE SHITE, imo..


Just sayin', but he was responding directly to Lucy...


So??? he was claiming that I was blaming the Rs, I never said any such thing & I have a right to correct him and counteract his slander.. I have plenty of criticisms for Ds, I loath Hillary with a passion and Obama (Deporter-in-Chief) is no better.. soon he will have a book out and go on high priced speaking tours.. Whoever is the next Prez (R or D) will be overseeing the upcoming recession.. so in the next few years you can expect more "too-big-to-fail" bailouts.. same old, same old.. ALL POLITICIANS ARE SHITE ...

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/3/2016 9:08:22 AM   
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im gonna be checking mine....I know we have a 10ppb maximum in TO


http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/what-s-being-tested-in-city-drinking-water-1.3116023 TO tests for 71 contaminants including lead.. of course if you live in an old building with lead pipes the lead in the water would be higher due to pipes which I expect is the property owners responsibility to replace/repair (up to the city pipes)..

Toronto offers free water testing for homes built before 1950.. it also says that TO tap water is below 1 ppb..

"The lead level in the municipal tap water supplied by the City of Toronto is below 1 ppb and well below the drinking water standard. In general, lead is only present in water as a result of corrosion of lead pipes in residential plumbing, lead solder, and/or lead contained in brass fittings. If your home was built before the mid-1950s, the water source (the pipe connecting your home to the City's water distribution system) may be the prime source of lead in your tap water."

http://www.toronto.ca/311/knowledgebase/35/101000039735.html

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 2/3/2016 9:17:56 AM   
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And before you say *I* made it a partisan issue - look at your first substantive post (#8), and Tj (#9). Both flat out blaming this on republicans.

how many times do i have to say that I dont give a shite if a politician is an R or D, its not partisan to me no matter how many times you try to say it is.. ALL POLITICIANS ARE SHITE, imo..


Just sayin', but he was responding directly to Lucy...


yeah he was, BUT he included TJ in his attempt to prove partisanship.
btw you know anyone can respond to another "persons" response yes?
especially when they are included in the response, or otherwise....

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