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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/23/2016 6:38:44 PM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rick-snyder-flint_us_56a10daae4b076aadcc579b0

At his annual State of the State address on Tuesday, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) accepted blame for the water crisis in Flint and offered an explanation for how it started.

"This crisis began in the spring of 2013, when the Flint City Council voted 7-1 to buy water from the Karegnondi Water Authority," he said.

It's simpler than that: Snyder's government gave Flint bad water treatment advice, and the city got bad water. And it's also more complicated: City officials did play a role, but Snyder's version of events oversells it.

"The governor's been trying to use that line -- that action that was taken by the city council -- to remove himself from this problem," former Flint City Council member Josh Freeman told "So That Happened," the HuffPost Politics podcast.


As for the decision to join the KWA, it was made even before Flint's elected leaders voted -- by the emergency manager Snyder had appointed to run Flint's affairs because the city was broke. The manager had total control over the city's government and the council only got to weigh in because the director of the new water authority insisted.

"I said, 'I will not accept that,'" Karegnondi CEO Jeff Wright recalled in an interview with The Huffington Post. "I do require a decision of this magnitude to be voted on by the elected representatives of the people."

So on that fateful day, the Flint City Council voted to join the KWA, knowing the new system wouldn't be ready until 2016. The Detroit Water & Sewerage Department had been raising Flint's rates every year, resulting in some of the state's highest water bills. City and state officials believed Flint could save millions of dollars by joining the new system.

Then the Detroit system, from which the city had been buying its water for nearly 50 years, notified Flint and the surrounding Genesee County that it would be cutting off their service in the spring of 2014.

What could be done between 2014 and 2016, when the KWA came online? Genesee County opted to continue buying water from Detroit, but at a 10 percent higher rate, according to Wright, who is Genesee's drain commissioner in addition to being the CEO of the KWA.

Flint wound up going for the Flint River, though it's not clear exactly how the decision was made.

"At no time had we decided to use the Flint River... as our primary water source," said Freeman, who resigned from the council in December after serving more than 10 years.

Dayne Walling, who served as Flint's mayor until Karen Weaver unseated him in November, told the Detroit Free Press that month that emergency manager Edward Kurtz made the decision not long after the KWA vote. Kurtz also signed an order hiring a firm "for assistance in placing the Flint Water Plant into operation using the Flint River as a primary drinking water source for approximately two years," though Kurtz wasn't in charge when the switch happened in 2014.

Regardless of whether they had a hand in the decision, however, Flint City Council members said they didn't think using the Flint River was a crazy idea, and they didn't object. The Flint River already served as the city's official backup. It had been used twice in 2009, but not for longer than a week. The Flint Water Treatment Plant pumped water several times each year for the sole purpose of making sure it stayed ready.

Monica Galloway, who represents Flint's 7th Ward on the council, was at the plant that day in 2014 when Walling ceremoniously pushed a button to make the change. Galloway thought the Flint River represented an opportunity to lower her constituents' water bills.

"I thought, 'This can be good. We have had such high water bills,'" Galloway said in an interview. "It just seems like as a community, for me, man, we got a hold on something we can control."

Nobody expected the water switch to result in lead-poisoned children, undrinkable water, a declaration of a federal emergency and the National Guard assisting with door-to-door delivery of bottled water. The river water wound up leaching lead from the city's aging pipes because the city failed to control for the water's corrosiveness.

Here's what went wrong: Instead of telling the city to treat the water, the Michigan Department of Environment Quality told it to just monitor the water for a year, then decide what kind of corrosion treatment it needed, according to an MDEQ memo from November that was included in Snyder's recently released emails relating to the crisis.

An Environmental Protection Agency official reported in a leaked June memo that high lead levels were possible in Flint because the city did not have a system for controlling corrosion. After the memo came to light, the EPA said it had been a mere draft; state officials used that assurance to downplay its warnings.

"A major concern from a public health standpoint is the absence of corrosion control treatment in the City of Flint for mitigating lead and copper levels in the drinking water," the memo said. "Recent drinking water sample results indicate the presence of high lead results in the drinking water, which is to be expected in a public water system that is not providing corrosion control treatment."

Claiming ambiguity in requirements of the Safe Drinking Water Act, the MDEQ and the EPA said not controlling for corrosiveness was an honest mistake; Marc Edwards, a Virginia Tech corrosion expert who helped expose Flint's high lead levels over the summer, has insisted it was an egregious one. The head of the MDEQ and the regional director of the EPA have since resigned after both agencies moved slowly last year in the face of growing alarm over high lead levels.

Edwards said his own experiments with adding corrosion inhibitors to Flint water samples reduced the water's ability to leach heavy metals from pipe materials.

"Had they followed the law, the switch would have been considered a success," Edwards said.

Snyder, for his part, has admitted the state made mistakes and has apologized repeatedly.




Just thought I would share. seems emails are still missing from 2013..but hey we know emails always show up huh...

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/23/2016 7:35:27 PM   
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And for a less partisan (although being democrat .. its still quite partisan) .. http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/the-contempt-that-poisoned-flints-water

Pretty good article tho.


Now some background chemistry - which is good advice

ALWAYS let the water run at least 2-3 seconds before drinking from any kind of tap, for exactly this reason. Water that sits over time will leach out compounds.

Now, this is good advice, but it probably is NOT how you should conduct water tests.
The city of flint water department was flushing the water prior to sampling. Good habit - but bad policy if you want to test for water safety. Any competent chemical engineer should know this. So I presume this was done deliberately.

quote:

Flint’s habit of “pre-flushing the tap” the night before samples were collected might be skewing things. Del Toral continued, “My point on that was that people are exposed to the particulate lead on a daily basis, but the particulate lead is being flushed away before collecting compliance samples which provides false assurance to residents about the true lead levels in the water.”


Flint city water gamed the system (as I wrote previously):

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In June, 2015, the Detroit Free Press examined documents on the testing obtained by the A.C.L.U.; the paper reported that after Flint had collected only thirty-nine of an expected hundred samples, a D.E.Q. official wrote to let city officials know that those samples were looking high. Somewhat ambiguously, he expressed “hope” that the rest of the samples would be “below the AL,” or action level, for lead. Going above that level would put the department in the position of having to do something. The samples are supposed to come from around the city and reflect a judgment about what homes might be at risk. Instead, for whatever reason, as the Free Press noted, a quarter of the remaining samples “came from a single stretch of Flushing Road in Flint,” which had a water-main section only a few years old. “Not surprisingly, all of those samples measured very low for lead,” the paper reported.


So based on the water provided, flint passed. When the state redid the tests flint failed.

Finally - when the system was designed, it is usual practice to add phosphate. However, after the system was running, it was found phosphate was inneffective for a variety of reasons having to do with water chemistry.

It was an egregious error not to test the water prior to the design.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/23/2016 9:45:53 PM   
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I don't recall seeing anything in this thread about Flint NOT upgrading their water pipe infrastructure after the passage of the Clean Water Act in, I think, 1967.

The proximal and underlying cause of the problem is a 100-year-old decrepit infrastructure of lead and lead solder water pipes.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/24/2016 4:18:16 AM   
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And in other news....

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Matt Damon brings call for clean water for all to Sundance
By SANDY COHEN - The Associated Press

PARK CITY, Utah (AP) The water contamination crisis in Flint, Michigan, is something millions of people across the globe experience every day.

Actor Matt Damon and Gary White, co-founders of the nonprofit Water.org, came to the Sundance Film Festival on Saturday to call attention to the desperate need for clean water in impoverished regions around the world.

"Imagine this outrage we feel about Flint this justified outrage, I should say, because that should never happen in the United States of America, ever," Damon said in an interview with The Associated Press. "But there are people for whom life is such a desperate struggle, that they're faced every day with the choice of giving their children dirty water or no water at all."

Damon and White appeared alongside Todd Allen of Stella Artois to discuss the global water crisis and to announce their "Buy a Lady a Drink" campaign so named because water shortages disproportionately affect women, who spend hours each day searching for water for their families.

The beer maker is introducing a limited-edition collection of decorated glass chalices representing water-poor countries such as Ethiopia, Haiti, India and Honduras. The sale of each $13 goblet will provide a woman in one of these countries with five years of clean water.

The partnership began last year and has provided water for 290,000 people so far, Allen said.

"Obviously, we're hoping to do even better this year," Damon said. Some 663 million people around the world lack access to clean drinking water.

The water crisis in Flint shows how heartbreaking and horrifying life without clean water is, Damon said. He recalled a trip to Ethiopia several years ago where he witnessed schoolchildren filling bottles with water "the color of chocolate milk." Their parents knew the water would make the children sick, but without it, they would have nothing to drink.

"I have four daughters," Damon said. "When you start having kids, it's hard not to see other kids as your own ... It's incumbent upon me to do whatever I can within my sphere of influence" to help.

Though Christian Bale's character in the Oscar-nominated film "The Big Short" bet on water as the hottest future commodity, White said enough clean water exists to satisfy the thirst and needs of everyone on the planet.

"It just becomes where is the water and where are the people, and where are the financial resources to be able to treat it and move it," he said. "The water is there, but it's the finance it's poverty that's keeping us from solving the problems."


http://home.core.com/home/article.php?category=breaking&article=b841e5453bf34d93a559b33268bd18cc


I'm sure we can all count on Matt to send Flint a large monetary donation. Problem solved.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/24/2016 4:24:38 AM   
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Im guessing the people around the methane leak in CA are having a dandy time too.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/24/2016 5:12:28 AM   
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That's pretty bad.

What's great is the amount of people donating water, but I wonder what others think of this:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/22/cruz-campaign-donates-water-to-flint-but-only-to-people-who-qualify-for-their-generosity/#


What do I think? I think Cruz is an asshat along with the writer of the article who is using this tragedy to score points for the left.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/24/2016 5:22:56 AM   
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I don't recall seeing anything in this thread about Flint NOT upgrading their water pipe infrastructure after the passage of the Clean Water Act in, I think, 1967.

The proximal and underlying cause of the problem is a 100-year-old decrepit infrastructure of lead and lead solder water pipes.




It is not just the 100 year old decrepit systems. Lead was not banned from use in plumbing until 1986.

http://www.copper.org/environment/water/e_p_lead.html

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/24/2016 11:26:11 AM   
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That's pretty bad.

What's great is the amount of people donating water, but I wonder what others think of this:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/22/cruz-campaign-donates-water-to-flint-but-only-to-people-who-qualify-for-their-generosity/#


What do I think? I think Cruz is an asshat along with the writer of the article who is using this tragedy to score points for the left.


I cannot get to the addictinginfo website, which is okay because its not a good place for information really.

I did come across this:

quote:

While the Flint crisis has been heavily politicized, the Cruz campaign's donation isn't as helpful as it could be. Crisis pregnancy centers are antiabortion organizations aimed at persuading women to keep their pregnancies, sometimes through misinformation and manipulation. In donating to a crisis pregnancy center — as opposed to, say, a school or ideologically unaffiliated organization like the Red Cross — the Cruz campaign overlooks the children who have already been poisoned by toxic water.


http://wwww.revlon.refinery29.com/2016/01/101584/ted-cruz-water-donation-crisis-pregnancy-center-flint

the misinformation and manipulation whopper aside---so ted cruz's campaign donated water to crisis pregnancy centers and the result is "its not as helpful as it could be" and "he is overlooking other children?"

when people have limited resources and want to contribute to places near and dear to their hearts, how are they not entirely free to do so? especially when other people/places are already donating to schools.

so im in agreement with the condemnation of left point scoring journalist, but not so much in the criticism of ted cruz.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 9:29:19 AM   
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Yeah, ted cruz not donating to abortion clinics really isn't that big of a surprise is it?

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 9:46:16 AM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 12:26:11 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 12:43:40 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..


It just might help those with elevated lead levels reduce those levels. God forbid we try to lower the lead levels in the people while figuring out how to lower the level of lead in the water now, and for the future.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 12:48:04 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..


It just might help those with elevated lead levels reduce those levels. God forbid we try to lower the lead levels in the people while figuring out how to lower the level of lead in the water now, and for the future.


find something realistic that will help, there ain't gonna be a run on tofu in Flint, I can pretty much guarantee ya that..

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 1:09:15 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..

It just might help those with elevated lead levels reduce those levels. God forbid we try to lower the lead levels in the people while figuring out how to lower the level of lead in the water now, and for the future.

find something realistic that will help, there ain't gonna be a run on tofu in Flint, I can pretty much guarantee ya that..


Yah, I'm sure Big Pharma has something to help with that. And, I'm sure the side effects are either nonexistent or mild.

God forbid we give people options for recovery.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/25/2016 3:04:28 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..




Did I say that will "fix it"? However, in the off chance someone from flint actually reads here, I thought the citation was interesting.

And if you had a child with elevated lead levels - I am damn sure you'd be trying it. Stop being an asswipe.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/26/2016 4:51:22 PM   
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Treatment for high lead... get away from the source. The body will eliminate the lead over the course of months. Monthly blood lead tests to monitor progress.

In extreme cases; chelation therapy. The problem with using chelation is that it also takes iron out of the blood and calcium out of the bones. Only done in extreme cases.

Summary of what is taught to lead workers in OSHA training for handling poisonous heavy metals.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/26/2016 5:18:13 PM   
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Treatment for high lead... get away from the source. The body will eliminate the lead over the course of months. Monthly blood lead tests to monitor progress.

In extreme cases; chelation therapy. The problem with using chelation is that it also takes iron out of the blood and calcium out of the bones. Only done in extreme cases.

Summary of what is taught to lead workers in OSHA training for handling poisonous heavy metals.

My brother did chelation therapy because he was taking fish oil supliments against my advice. Cheap fish concentrate heavy metals. He didn't find chelation therapy onerous however.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/30/2016 2:50:21 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..


Did I say that will "fix it"? However, in the off chance someone from flint actually reads here, I thought the citation was interesting.

And if you had a child with elevated lead levels - I am damn sure you'd be trying it. Stop being an asswipe.

you stop being an asswipe.. this shite is permanent once the damage has happened, which doesnt take long.. take yer tofu and stuff it.. No, i wouldnt be trying it.. I would be f'n moving to a different city with a proper clean water supply.. and then i would be finding a dam good lawyer to sue them all..

From Micheal Moore-

""You cannot reverse the irreversible brain damage that has been inflicted upon every single child in Flint. The damage is permanent," he said. "There is no medicine you can send, no doctor or scientist who has any way to undo the harm done to thousands of babies, toddlers and children (not to mention their parents). They are ruined for life, and someone needs to tell you the truth about that.""
http://news.yahoo.com/don-t-send-water-michael-142700187.html?nf=1

one reader commented on the effects of lead on his 2 year old son back in the 90s (so MM is right about the permanent damage)-
LpJ 1 hour ago
In the early nineties, before cities really started cracking down on lead-based paint abatement, we lived in an apartment for a short while. Short, because less than six months after moving in, my oldest son -2 at the time- tested positive for high levels of lead. Later, he had trouble learning to speak well and had to have special tutoring to correct his speech. He also developed some behavior issues - impulse control mostly - but because I'd been told and had researched the effects of lead in children, I knew what the problem likely was and adjusted accordingly...discipline was not about blaming, but about continuing to call on him to recognize the 'why' of his poor impulses and teaching him to counter-act in a more positive and productive way. He's better, and better at it with maturity, but the effects still linger in his health.

This is an Entire City of poor, already disregarded, and now permanently damaged children. An entire Generation that will never reach their potential. From those born in the last year, to those approaching teenhood, the ramifications will be felt for a long, long time. At some point, hopefully, Flint The City will begin to recover. These children Never will. They are mentally, physically, and emotionally compromised, by something beyond their control

The questions that have plagued me for the last week or so are thus: In the space of the next ten or fifteen years, many of these kids WILL be 'acting out'...in school and in society. Will effects of this disaster on them be forgotten after the 'crises' is over? Will they really receive the help they need between now and then? Will anyone think to question whether the lead in their systems could be the culprit for their behaviors? Will America(and the Internet Judges Panel) actually remember that these thousands of children existed in 2016, and are doomed to diminished brain function, possible social inadequacy, and ongoing health issues for the rest of their lives?

Or, will the society of 2020, 2024, 2027 only revert to the usual names and categorizations we've become so good at when describing certain people? Will they become just another city full of "----" (I reckon I don't have to spell it out, especially Here) who are "just" a group of this that or the other? I'd like to think the best...but...

My other question...given the experience with my son: How many of the children of the 80's and 90's who fit in the exact same 'category' across the nation are really adults who unknowingly were exposed to lead paint in (POOR-focused) cheap apartments and old pipes in OLD houses, before cities started treating the water and bringing the paint to light? How much of AMERICA, from the Boomers and up, have at the root of their problems a lead poisoning incident(or lifetime, in the same house they grew up in)? They really only test children, and weren't really testing for lead 'back then'. Just a thought...


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/30/2016 8:59:16 PM   
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Garlic, milk thistle, and tofu - reduce the level of lead in the body.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/lead_poisoning.aspx

so ya think that will "fix" it, huh? yeah, I can see all those moms/dads trying to get their kids to eat tofu..


Did I say that will "fix it"? However, in the off chance someone from flint actually reads here, I thought the citation was interesting.

And if you had a child with elevated lead levels - I am damn sure you'd be trying it. Stop being an asswipe.

you stop being an asswipe.. this shite is permanent once the damage has happened, which doesnt take long.. take yer tofu and stuff it.. No, i wouldnt be trying it.. I would be f'n moving to a different city with a proper clean water supply.. and then i would be finding a dam good lawyer to sue them all..



And since the water problem went on for a year before the epa published it - your kids would be already affected. The DEMOCRAT epa administrator. So at that point you'd need to reduce the lead and your choices are the things I mentioned or chelation.


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From Micheal Moore-


Why the fuck do you quote Michael Moore?

Is he a doctor? No.
Is he a lawyer? No.
Is he a chemist? No.
Has he donated anything to Flint to make the situation better. No.

The man is a partisan blow hard - who goes from crisis to crisis and self aggrandizes himself. He's a democrat Trump, or a white Al Sharpton.

His first solution to any problem: Find some republican and blame him.

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This is an Entire City of poor, already disregarded, and now permanently damaged children.


Poor bleeding heart liberals. Never let facts get in the way of a good lyniching.

And heres the facts:

5% of the children in Flint had elevated lead levels. Now 5% is still too much .. but.. how does that compare with other places in Michigan.

Well, Destroit, Hamtramck and Highland Park had 13.5 % of children with elevated lead.
Grand Rapids had almost 10%.
Adrian had 12%.


In the 48206 Zip code of detroit, 20.3% of children had elevated lead.

In 2002, 25.6% of children in Michigan had elevated lead levels - and those numbers have been declining to 3.9% in 2013 and 3.5% in 2014.

So if you think Snyder deserves impeachment for 5% of Flint having lead poisoning - then every single democratic governor, congressman, senator and mayor deserve the same for lead levels **FIVE TIMES HIGHER**.

And the source of that info: the detroit news. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/01/27/many-michigan-cities-higher-lead-levels-flint/79438144/

Also, for the record: the detroit free press says the increase in elevated lead is 3.8%, since Flint's previous tests had 2.5% lead.

Now understand - the source of the poisoning was their houses. The water chemistry of the flint river water increased the solubility. So the fact of the matter is these people were being poisoned by lead all of their life - just a slower rates.

More than 60,000 homes in flint are already on the list for lead abatement - but sadly, only 1,500 were completed last year - the HIGHEST in years.


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Hmmmmm only argument i have with that post apart from the partisan crap is that you completely neglect to mention that the stats are only based on those kids actually tested.
I wonder what will show now more kids have been tested.


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