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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/19/2016 7:31:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I understand it, Gov Snyder's appointed EM , Darnell Earley, was the one who made the decision to switch the water. As an Emergency Manager he had the authority to over-ride the Mayor and city councils decisions. While the Mayor at the time was a Democrat, the office itself is non-partisan. I'm not really sure how partisan politics applies in this situation.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/19/2016 8:24:49 PM   
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As I understand it, Gov Snyder's appointed EM , Darnell Earley, was the one who made the decision to switch the water. As an Emergency Manager he had the authority to over-ride the Mayor and city councils decisions. While the Mayor at the time was a Democrat, the office itself is non-partisan. I'm not really sure how partisan politics applies in this situation.


That's because you don't understand it.

The flint mayor and other democrat mayors made the decision in 2007 to create the karegondi water municipality, and switch from detroit water.
Then flint went bankrupt - a receiver was appointed. The project continued (still under democrat leader ship).
The consulting engineers (chosen by democrats) came in and did a presentaton to the emergency manager, the genoveese county commissioners, and the elected mayor. All concurred on the switch.

The democrat in charge of water testing at the local and state levels - falsified the tests. The democrat at the epa sat on test results for almost a year - KNOWING that the water was poisoning people.

And yet somehow.. its snyder's fault.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/19/2016 8:28:46 PM   
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The Epa Administrator (a democrat) sat on the test results while they discussed with the state water quality agency how to fix. Meanwhile for a year, people were poisoned.

This is on top of the fact that state and local water quality tests were falsified - all done by democrats, to protect democrats.


Since the governor is not a democrat who was he protecting?


Silly him - you have FOUR levels of people that are responsible to do the job.
1. The city of flint water quality board.
2. The karegondi water boart
3. The State Water board
4. The EPA

All of these are supposed to do their job and ensure the water is fit to drink.

So why aren't you calling for their heads, hmmm???

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/19/2016 10:01:38 PM   
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What about the secretary to snyder?
Omg we have a conspiracy. I hope a full investigation into this, i hope every person involved in this gets shafted.
Dem or rep
Now about the lives of the people they fucked over

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 2:56:00 AM   
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http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/washtenaw-county/dozens-protest-governor-snyder-call-for-his-resignation-outside-his-ann-arbor-home


ANN ARBOR, Mich. (WXYZ) - At least 100 protesters braved the sub-zero wind chills Monday afternoon to rally outside of Governor Rick Snyder's downtown Ann Arbor residence.

The protest, organized by the Washtenaw County chapter of Michigan Rising, brought people from across the state expressing anger at the governor for his role in the Flint water crisis.

"It just got to the point where we said enough is enough. Let's do something," organizer Colleen Crossey said.

Protesters contend Snyder knew about Flint's tainted water long before switching the city's water supply back to the Detroit system and long before he declared a state emergency January 5.

“He should have paid attention to the experts," Crossey said. "He should have switched it back over to Detroit water as soon as he knew about the contamination," she added.

“It feels personal and it makes us all, people who are in Flint and people who are tied to Flint very, very angry," Flint native Jeff Brown said.

Judy Bonnell-Wenzel braved the bitter cold because she says the biggest atrocity is that young children were exposed to lead.

"They're poisoned. And now, at the very best, they're going to go through very difficult times to try and get that lead out."

Protesters met at Rackham Auditorium at the University of Michigan and marched several blocks to Snyder's Main St. address.

Many of the protesters say they plan to protest in Lansing Tuesday, ahead of Snyder's State of the State address.


You tell me to stop posting partisan crap - and then post partisan crap. Ironic.

Proving once again the point is to score political points rather than fix the problem. Any protests against the epa administrator Sarah H. who let people be poisoned for a year? How about the democrat water authority.





You forgot this idiot who thought the switch was a wonderful idea...

Then-Mayor Dayne Walling rebuffs residents’ concerns about the river water, insisting, “It’s a quality, safe product. I think people are wasting their precious money buying bottled water.”


Funny that they are not bringing him up too. But then again he's a democrat so its not so much funny as sop with some.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 3:54:18 AM   
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The Epa Administrator (a democrat) sat on the test results while they discussed with the state water quality agency how to fix. Meanwhile for a year, people were poisoned.

This is on top of the fact that state and local water quality tests were falsified - all done by democrats, to protect democrats.


Since the governor is not a democrat who was he protecting?


Silly him - you have FOUR levels of people that are responsible to do the job.
1. The city of flint water quality board.
2. The karegondi water boart
3. The State Water board
4. The EPA

All of these are supposed to do their job and ensure the water is fit to drink.

So why aren't you calling for their heads, hmmm???

You are the one calling for 'heads to roll' but only the heads of demopubs. Since he is the governor and has the authority to overide those below him one would think you would include him also...the question is why is it only the demopubs and not any republicrats?

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 6:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is true, I really do not understand. I don't understand politics, especially partisan politics where people support criminals who make heinous decisions that do things like poison children, simply because of what party they belong to. Republican, Democrat...whomever, I hope all that chose to allow this to happen face criminal and civil action.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:03:44 AM   
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As I understand it, Gov Snyder's appointed EM , Darnell Earley, was the one who made the decision to switch the water.


Yes and no. There were four EMs appointed by Snyder, starting back in 2011. Earley was in position when the switch took place. He was also the one to deny Detroit's offer to reconnect in 2014 and the council's request in January 2015 to temporarily switch back to Detroit until the KWA project was complete. It was the EM before him, Ed Kurtz, that decided to use Flint river water - A supposed temporary solution to save money until the KWA facility would be compete to pull water directly from Lake Huron (which is the source for Detroit). Any voting done (or not done) by the Mayor or city council were irrelevant- they had no authority or power.


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I'm not really sure how partisan politics applies in this situation.


It doesn't.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:20:04 AM   
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It is true, I really do not understand. I don't understand politics, especially partisan politics where people support criminals who make heinous decisions that do things like poison children, simply because of what party they belong to. Republican, Democrat...whomever, I hope all that chose to allow this to happen face criminal and civil action.



I admit Im partisan, but any and all involved(no matter who they are) should be charged for poisoning a city.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:36:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

It is true, I really do not understand. I don't understand politics, especially partisan politics where people support criminals who make heinous decisions that do things like poison children, simply because of what party they belong to. Republican, Democrat...whomever, I hope all that chose to allow this to happen face criminal and civil action.



I admit Im partisan, but any and all involved(no matter who they are) should be charged for poisoning a city.


Makes you a lousy partisan! Seriously though, I don't think the Flint water situation is the "fault" of a single party, although it will probably all fall on the shoulders of Snyder.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:39:13 AM   
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He apologized for the “catastrophe” that exposed them to dangerous levels of lead in the water that public officials had previously insisted was safe to drink.

“Your families face a crisis, a crisis you did not create and could not have prevented,” Snyder said. “I am sorry, and I will fix it.

“Government failed you -- federal, state and local leaders -- by breaking the trust you placed in us,” Snyder continued. “I’m sorry most of all that I let you down. You deserve better. You deserve accountability. You deserve to know that the buck stops here with me.”



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 1:32:07 PM   
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M Moore has going further now... but its not just him.. and its not just Flint..

"Back in December, before the crisis became big national news, Moore tweeted:

This is a racial killing. Flint MI is 60% black. When u knowingly poison a black city, u r committing a version of genocide #ArrestGovSnyder

This month, with investigations brewing and more outraged calls for accountability, Moore reiterated his point:

If this were elsewhere, & the white leader blocked a black city's clean water supply &made them drink poison, we'd call it ethnic cleansing."


Ten years later, in 2015, a HuffPost analysis found a correlation between cities with high populations of black residents and elevated lead poisoning rates.

http://news.yahoo.com/michael-moore-just-nailed-no-173900965.html#


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 1:54:03 PM   
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M Moore has going further now... but its not just him.. and its not just Flint..

"Back in December, before the crisis became big national news, Moore tweeted:

This is a racial killing. Flint MI is 60% black. When u knowingly poison a black city, u r committing a version of genocide #ArrestGovSnyder

This month, with investigations brewing and more outraged calls for accountability, Moore reiterated his point:

If this were elsewhere, & the white leader blocked a black city's clean water supply &made them drink poison, we'd call it ethnic cleansing."


Ten years later, in 2015, a HuffPost analysis found a correlation between cities with high populations of black residents and elevated lead poisoning rates.

http://news.yahoo.com/michael-moore-just-nailed-no-173900965.html#




Way to act like a racist!

Poor people live in older homes.
Older homes have "lead" pipes.


Its not a race issue - its a poverty issue - until you and despicable liberals choose to make it racial.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 1:55:15 PM   
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he said it himself the buck stops with him.

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He apologized for the “catastrophe” that exposed them to dangerous levels of lead in the water that public officials had previously insisted was safe to drink.

“Your families face a crisis, a crisis you did not create and could not have prevented,” Snyder said. “I am sorry, and I will fix it.

“Government failed you -- federal, state and local leaders -- by breaking the trust you placed in us,” Snyder continued. “I’m sorry most of all that I let you down. You deserve better. You deserve accountability. You deserve to know that the buck stops here with me.”




Yep - so here's hoping he fires all the people accountable, and puts in some good republicans or independents that will actually solve the problem.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 1:56:52 PM   
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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 6:58:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have already seen the passing of the buck. He did nothing till forced.
Made things worse and now .. you think only a repub can fix it.
You're delusional fido

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:06:40 PM   
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You're delusional fido

At least he's consistent. That's something, I suppose.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:24:37 PM   
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Its not a race issue - its a poverty issue - until you and despicable liberals choose to make it racial.

Have you considered the possibility that there might be a link between centuries of systemic, racial oppression and poverty?

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 7:30:54 PM   
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We have already seen the passing of the buck. He did nothing till forced.
Made things worse and now .. you think only a repub can fix it.
You're delusional fido


41 years of one party democrat rule poisoned the chlidren of flint.

Decision to create a new water authority - made by democrats.
Unaffordable water - caused by democrats.
Decision to engage the engineering firm - made by democrats.
Decision to switch to water made by democrats - and the emergency manager.
Decisioin to falsify test results made by democrats.
Decision to sit on the knowledge that flint was poisoning people - made by democrats.

You - being the good little partisan democrat you are want to blame the republicans. Ignoring that your democrat party POISONED people.
Lets say it again. YOUR DEMOCRAT PARTY POISONED PEOPLE.

I'll also note that the head of the flint incubator zone - another democrat - says that this partisan blaming of flint is harming efforts to relocate business to flint.


Aug 23, 2015, Virginia Tech professor Marc Edwards notified the department that the school would be studying Flint water quality issues "over the next few
months,"

In September The DEQ disputed Edwards' test results indicating corrosion and lead leaching in early September, a timeline of the events leading up to Flint created by the Michigan government states. (DEQ headed by a democrat).

On Sept. 5, Director of Urban Initiatives Harvey Hollins said to Snyder in an email that more than 1,500 water filters had been distributed to households and that were was a "demand for more."

Donations of water to Flint started Sept 30. http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/09/flint_school_district_gets_wat.html

Flint residents were urged not to drink the water on Oct. 1, the timeline says.


So, Snyder's cabinet knew about this issue MAYBE 3.5 months. As opposed to the democrat EPA administrator who sat on the test results for 8 months.
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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/20/2016 8:08:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Atlantic City - victim of 24 years of democratic mayors, seems likely to be forced into bankruptcy by persistent budget shortfalls.

No doubt those are the fault of the current mayor, a republican. Rolls eyes.


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