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Flint Water Situation - 1/8/2016 10:08:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can someone explain to me how the hell this is STILL going on?

Why is flint still dependent on donations of fresh water and filters by local charities?
Is anyone close by or have any insight?



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/8/2016 12:50:46 PM   
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If you could explain further its akin to me saying they can come over here and scoop, for free, some from the rankie burn (burn=creek). or basically just scoop up billions of gallons from the flooded streets of NE Scotland, Borders, NW england - south of the wall ;)
A town named flint at a guess why do they have no water?




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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/8/2016 1:41:34 PM   
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Its a town in michigan usa.
Their water source was changed.
Lead was detected nearly a year ago.
They kept quit about it until recently.
They still havent done much about it. Im on my phone, i will link to more cited info when i get home.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/8/2016 2:20:18 PM   
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Back in Oct 2015 They were switching back to Detroit water http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/us/michigan-flint-water/index.html

Lead in water is odorless, colorless, etc. It is a heavy metal. The water that they were getting with the discoloration was from the Flint River where Detroit's water comes from Lake Huron. I didn't see but haven't spent much time reading either the cause of the discoloration. On some of the maps that I looked at there is wetlands and they do produce discoloration of the water, but exactly where Flint is in conjunction to those wetlands I have no clue.

I used to workwith a municipal water department. One of the things we did (quarterly) was water quality analysis. I was having trouble finding the Flint Water Quality Report. Regardless, I believe some of the issue has to do with fear. People generally fear a lot of things, lead in the water is one, even the most slight percentage that is naturally occuring and well below the permissible threshold. Human nature. Distillation is the only really true way that I am aware of to assure lack of lead in the water and even then, we must assure that there is no lead in the distallation process lines and vessels.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/9/2016 6:42:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know WHAT happened, well as much as I can do from the reports already out there..I want to know WHY the lack of follow up and not getting out fresh water and filters to the residents.
Lead is not a laughing matter.
leaving the resident s high and dry is not an option, or it bloody shouldnt be




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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/9/2016 6:51:21 AM   
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I know WHAT happened, well as much as I can do from the reports already out there..I want to know WHY the lack of follow up and not getting out fresh water and filters to the residents.
Lead is not a laughing matter.
leaving the resident s high and dry is not an option, or it bloody shouldnt be

Because there's no money to pay for it and all the politicians involved are too busy covering their asses for fucking up.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/9/2016 7:01:44 AM   
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Its not like people need water or anythin

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/11/2016 6:13:00 AM   
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Michigan’s Snyder facing nation’s most serious scandal
01/11/16 08:00 AM
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By Steve Benen
As regular viewers know, The Rachel Maddow Show has devoted a great deal of time to the water crisis in Flint, Michigan, but if you haven’t been focused on this scandal yet, it’s important to get up to speed.

Over the weekend, for example, the editorial board of the Detroit Free Press turned its attention directly to Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R), who’s facing calls for his arrest from protestors, comparing his handling of the Flint crisis to George W. Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina.
Right now, the State of Michigan should be able to say that it has ensured the delivery of bottled water and water filters to every Flint resident whose drinking water has been contaminated by lead…. Instead, the governor is offering placid responses and slow-walking important remedies, while the investigation into how one of Michigan’s greatest man-made public health crises unfolded comes up with explanations in dribs and drabs.

It’s not just derelict – it invokes inglorious comparison to other callous and insensitive official responses to tragedy. Think of the shameful federal response to Hurricane Katrina, where the same lack of urgency delayed life-saving aid. The poverty rate in Flint is 40%; 52% of Flint residents are African-American. And so we are prompted to ask: How would the state have responded to a crisis of such proportions in a community with more wealth and power?
Of course, there’s a key, heartbreaking difference between recent developments in Flint and the crisis in New Orleans in 2005: Katrina was a natural disaster; Flint’s disaster was the result of public officials showing breathtakingly bad judgment.

Let’s recap how we reached this point.

In 2014, the city of Flint, under the control of an “emergency manager” appointed by the governor, was looking for ways to save money. To that end, the Snyder administration approved a plan in which the city would switch its water source: instead of getting water from Detroit, Flint would cut costs by drawing water directly from the Flint River.

In theory, there’s nothing particularly wrong with getting drinking and bathing water from a nearby river; plenty of communities across the country already do that. But in order to make Flint River water safe for people, it has to receive a special anti-corrosion treatment. Failing to treat the water sends corrosive river water through local pipes, it starts to eat through plumbing, and the result is lead poisoning.

The Snyder administration did not take the necessary precautions. What’s more, as the community grew concerned about its water, administration officials initially told local residents not to worry and to keep drinking the water.

The result, of course, is a public health crisis in which countless city residents, including many children, have been poisoned, which leads to severe and long lasting consequences. Snyder last week declared an official emergency – he also issued an apology of sorts on New Year’s Eve – but the people of Flint still don’t have safe, clean water.

There’s also the political crisis as a result of this man-made disaster. The EPA warned Snyder administration officials about rising lead levels, but the governor did not alert the public and state officials delayed action to address the problem.

The Republican governor is now facing calls for his resignation and #ArrestGovSnyder protests. Local residents are also moving forward with a class-action lawsuit over the crisis, and the U.S. Attorney’s office in Michigan has confirmed it is investigating the matter to determine if any laws were broken.

The Detroit Free Press reported late yesterday that Michigan State Police troopers and other state officials “will start a door-to-door sweep of Flint on Tuesday to hand out bottled water and water filters, and the White House says it is monitoring the situation ‘very closely.’”

For more on how to help Flint residents, we’ve posted information online here. I’ve also included links below to each of the segments aired on The Rachel Maddow Show about the crisis over the last couple of weeks:

Jan. 7: Water donations run dry in Flint, no action from Governor Snyder

Jan. 6: Flint advocates ask when and what Snyder knew about toxic water

Jan. 6: Flint water concerns ‘blown off’ by state: Snyder staffer e-mail

Jan. 6. Flint toxic water crisis draws federal scrutiny

Jan. 4: New calls for federal probe of Snyder admin in Flint water fiasco

Jan. 4: Volunteers help Flint in toxic water crisis, await state action

Dec. 23: Flint community scrambles to cope with state’s water error

Dec. 22: Snyder admin allowed Flint to drink toxic water despite warnings

Dec. 19: Flint toxic water tragedy points directly to Michigan Gov. Snyder

Dec. 18: Kids’ toxic test results raised alarm over water supply: Doctor

Dec. 15: Lead-poisoned children prompt emergency declaration from mayor

Dec. 15: Town’s bad water poisons residents despite state assurances
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/michigans-snyder-facing-nations-most-serious-scandal?cid=sm_fb_maddow

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/11/2016 8:25:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Can someone explain to me how the hell this is STILL going on?

Why is flint still dependent on donations of fresh water and filters by local charities?
Is anyone close by or have any insight?


Micheal Moore lives there and has been drinking the water too, apparently.. and he aint happy..

" To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat. Even international terrorist organizations haven't figured out yet how to do something on a magnitude like this.

But you did. Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River was poison -- but you decided that taking over the city and "cutting costs" to "balance the budget" was more important than the people's health (not to mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders). So you cut off the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint (including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River -- a body of "water" where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a chemical in this water to "clean" it -- which only ended up stripping the lead off of Flint's aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and sending it straight into people's taps. Your callous -- and reckless (btw, "reckless" doesn't get you a pass; a reckless driver who kills a child, still goes to jail) -- decision to do this has now, as revealed by the city's top medical facility, caused "irreversible brain damage" in Flint's children, not to mention other bodily damage to all of Flint's adults. Here's how bad it is: Even GM won't let the auto parts they use in building cars touch the Flint water because that water "corrodes" them (link). This is a company that won't even fix an ignition switch after they've discovered it's already killed dozens of people. THAT's how bad the situation is. Even GM thinks you're the devil.

Maybe you don't understand the science behind this. Lead, in water -- now, bear with me, this involves a science lesson and you belong to the anti-science party, the one that believes there's not a climate problem and that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago. Lead is toxic to the human body. There's no way to fully eliminate it once it's in your system, and children are the most damaged by it.

By taking away the city's clean drinking water in order to "cut costs," and then switching the city's water supply to Flint River water, you have allowed massively unsafe levels of pollutants and lead into the water that travels in to everyone's home. Every Flint resident is trapped by this environmental nightmare which you, Governor, have created.

Like any real criminal, when you were confronted with the truth (by the EPA and other leading water experts across America), you denied what you did. Even worse, you decided to mock your accusers and their findings. As I said, I know you don't like to believe in a lot of science (after all, you used to run Gateway Computers, and that, really, is all anyone needs to know about you), but this time the science has caught up with you -- and this time, I hope, it's going to convict you.

The facts are all there, Mr. Snyder. Every agency involved in this scheme reported directly to you. The children of Flint didn't have a choice as to whether or not they were going to get to drink clean water. But soon it will be your turn to not have that choice about which water you'll be drinking. Because by this time next year, if there is an ounce of justice left in this land, the water you'll be drinking will be served to you from a tap inside Jackson Prison.

I am calling upon my fellow Michiganders -- and seekers of justice everywhere -- to petition U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, asking her to arrest you for corruption and assault (i.e., the physical assault you committed against the children of Flint when you knowingly poisoned them). "

http://michaelmoore.com/ArrestGovSnyder

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/14/2016 4:45:52 AM   
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http://www.wxyz.com/news/health-officials-say-there-has-been-a-spike-in-legionnaires-disease-cases-near-flint

DETROIT (WXYZ) - During a press conference to provide updates on the Flint water crisis, health officials said they have been monitoring a spike in cases of Legionnaires' disease cases near Flint.

Health officials were joined by Michigan Governor Rick Snyder as they announced that there have been 10 deaths related to 87 documented cases of Legionnaires' disease in Genesee County over about the last year and a half.

Officials say it is not yet clear whether the Legionnaires' disease cases are related to the water crisis that also left high lead levels in Flint water.

Health department representatives said they believe water in Genesee County is still safe to bathe in.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/14/2016 10:42:23 PM   
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The mayor of flint is a democrat - dayne walling.
Susan Hedman - in charge of the EPA district 5, who knew about lead levels since April - is a democrat.
The state department of water quality originally entered under the democrat governor - pretty good bet he's a democrat. Dan Wyant.
The Geneese County Board of Commissioners - has 8 democrats and 1 republican.
The County Water executive and Karegnondi Water Authority is Jeff Wright - also a democrat.
The Representative for the district is Dan Kildee - a democrat.
The leader of the Senate Democrats is Jim Ananich - from Flint.
The state representative is Sheldon Neeley - D Flint.
Both US senators - Gary Peters, and Debbie Stabenow - are democrats.


And yet somehow.. you want to blame the Republican Governor.

And you think bounty should stop posting partisan dribble.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/14/2016 10:54:10 PM   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karegnondi_Water_Authority

And.. just to add insult to injury.

The lead we're talking about doesn't actually come from the flint water source.

It seems for years, the city and state falsified lead testing results. http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/11/documents_show_city_filed_fals.html

The lead contaminating the water is coming from old lead pipes, with 15,000 homes still having them, and the even MORE pipes that used 50% lead solder.

Now there has been widespread reports that the lead problem was because of a failure to add orthophoshate. However, tests showed that orthophosphate did not resolve the issue. http://flintwaterstudy.org/tag/lead-corrosion/


Now, the decision to stop using detroit city water and use flint water was made before Flint went bankrupt.

Here's a bit of the timeline

The water authority was set up in 2007
In 2010 the trustees of the various cities met for the first time.
2011 Flint has its manager appointed due to poor finances.
The authority (controlled by democrats) decide to continue, while flint studied the question.
Flint decides to continue based on engineering studies by Rowe Engineering.
2013 the Army Corp of Engineering grands final permits.
March 2013 Flint decides to buy water from the authority.
October 2013, a bunch more democrats added to the authority.


So, look this is cynical partisan politics at its worst - "never let an emergency go to waste".
The fact of the matter is that a bad engineering decision was made - no doubts.
But these decisions were not made by Snyder. The decision to build the flint project was made by the water authority which was overwelmingly democrat.

Flint, eventually decided to purchase water- as did every other city. Yet you don't hear a witch hunt against those democrats -- even though they are facing the same exact issues.

I am curious about one thing... why not just turn the water back on from detroit?

Making this a partisan issue is vile.


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/14/2016 11:55:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So.. just curious here.

The mayor of flint is a democrat - dayne walling.
Susan Hedman - in charge of the EPA district 5, who knew about lead levels since April - is a democrat.
The state department of water quality originally entered under the democrat governor - pretty good bet he's a democrat. Dan Wyant.
The Geneese County Board of Commissioners - has 8 democrats and 1 republican.
The County Water executive and Karegnondi Water Authority is Jeff Wright - also a democrat.
The Representative for the district is Dan Kildee - a democrat.
The leader of the Senate Democrats is Jim Ananich - from Flint.
The state representative is Sheldon Neeley - D Flint.
Both US senators - Gary Peters, and Debbie Stabenow - are democrats.


And yet somehow.. you want to blame the Republican Governor.

And you think bounty should stop posting partisan dribble.


Given that I posted this over a week ago, and you deigned to ignore it until now, that more information is freely available you feel you can be all smug ass and just make assume whatever I said or offered was partisan.
I asked questions, I dont give a flying crap about who, I give a flying crap about who is to blame,It was over a week ago that I asked, Only now do you do give a crap about whom.

NO I was discussing what was happening to the residents, and why isnt something being done about it, its actually there. in post one and post 3 and post 5 7 and 8.
You can throw your political shit into the mix all you want.
you missed making your mark at least five days ago.
argue with yourself.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 12:18:08 AM   
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When you say things like:
quote:

Over the weekend, for example, the editorial board of the Detroit Free Press turned its attention directly to Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R), who’s facing calls for his arrest from protestors, comparing his handling of the Flint crisis to George W. Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina.


It sure sounds partisan.

or ...
quote:


In 2014, the city of Flint, under the control of an “emergency manager” appointed by the governor, was looking for ways to save money. To that end, the Snyder administration approved a plan in which the city would switch its water source: instead of getting water from Detroit, Flint would cut costs by drawing water directly from the Flint River


or ..

this.. (which is false, btw)
quote:


In theory, there’s nothing particularly wrong with getting drinking and bathing water from a nearby river; plenty of communities across the country already do that. But in order to make Flint River water safe for people, it has to receive a special anti-corrosion treatment. Failing to treat the water sends corrosive river water through local pipes, it starts to eat through plumbing, and the result is lead poisoning.


or this
quote:

There’s also the political crisis as a result of this man-made disaster. The EPA warned Snyder administration officials about rising lead levels, but the governor did not alert the public and state officials delayed action to address the problem.
which leaves out that the EPA sat on results for 7 months, and the city and state water boards falsified results.

And when tlj says..
quote:

" To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat. Even international terrorist organizations haven't figured out yet how to do something on a magnitude like this.
well that sure sounds like an attack.

As for why waited 3 days.. I wasn't aware there was a time limit to respond. Show me where that is, will you?
Just like in the 25 laws broken thread - I waited a few days to see where the comments were going to go. If it went mainstream with a fair presentation I had no need to comment.

Additionally - there were aspects of this case I didn't know - such as orthophosphate - and I actually like to read up on things before I comment.

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 12:58:56 AM   
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Here's a .. less partisan rendering of events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karegnondi_Water_Authority
And.. just to add insult to injury.
The lead we're talking about doesn't actually come from the flint water source.
It seems for years, the city and state falsified lead testing results. http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/11/documents_show_city_filed_fals.html
The lead contaminating the water is coming from old lead pipes, with 15,000 homes still having them, and the even MORE pipes that used 50% lead solder.
Now there has been widespread reports that the lead problem was because of a failure to add orthophoshate. However, tests showed that orthophosphate did not resolve the issue. http://flintwaterstudy.org/tag/lead-corrosion/
Now, the decision to stop using detroit city water and use flint water was made before Flint went bankrupt.
Here's a bit of the timeline
The water authority was set up in 2007
In 2010 the trustees of the various cities met for the first time.
2011 Flint has its manager appointed due to poor finances.
The authority (controlled by democrats) decide to continue, while flint studied the question.
Flint decides to continue based on engineering studies by Rowe Engineering.
2013 the Army Corp of Engineering grands final permits.
March 2013 Flint decides to buy water from the authority.
October 2013, a bunch more democrats added to the authority.
So, look this is cynical partisan politics at its worst - "never let an emergency go to waste".
The fact of the matter is that a bad engineering decision was made - no doubts.
But these decisions were not made by Snyder. The decision to build the flint project was made by the water authority which was overwelmingly democrat.
Flint, eventually decided to purchase water- as did every other city. Yet you don't hear a witch hunt against those democrats -- even though they are facing the same exact issues.
I am curious about one thing... why not just turn the water back on from detroit?
Making this a partisan issue is vile.


Phydeaux, it's correct that the lead is coming from the solder used to sweat the copper plumbing. However, the switch to the Flint River is the even that changed what was going through that plumbing. Apparently, the water has a different chemical profile, leading to the lead leaching out. I've read several articles on this, and there was some mention of the water from Detroit containing a chemical that prevents or limits this leaching. I can't recall if the Flint River water degraded this prevention chemical, or it's not being used by that water authority, though I think it was the former.




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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 1:06:54 AM   
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Spike in Legionnaires' disease cases may be related to Flint water crisis; 10 deaths, 87 cases
http://www.wxyz.com/news/health-officials-say-there-has-been-a-spike-in-legionnaires-disease-cases-near-flint
DETROIT (WXYZ) - During a press conference to provide updates on the Flint water crisis, health officials said they have been monitoring a spike in cases of Legionnaires' disease cases near Flint.
Health officials were joined by Michigan Governor Rick Snyder as they announced that there have been 10 deaths related to 87 documented cases of Legionnaires' disease in Genesee County over about the last year and a half.
Officials say it is not yet clear whether the Legionnaires' disease cases are related to the water crisis that also left high lead levels in Flint water.
Health department representatives said they believe water in Genesee County is still safe to bathe in.


Legionnaire's is spread by inhaling aerosolyzed water containing the bacteria. The first identified outbreak in the US occurred in Philadelphia, PA. After that, Pontiac, MI health workers revisited a previously unknown outbreak that was caused by a different strain of the same bacterium. That is more commonly called "Pontiac Fever."

If this is being caused by the water from the Flint River, it's only because the water authority isn't treating the water properly, or the water isn't being treated properly at where it's being inhaled. The wiki mentioned it being possible to become infected by inhaling the vapors from a hot tub that has infected water (which points to a breakdown of the process to treat the water properly there).

As this bacterium attacks the epithelial cells of the lungs, it has to be inhaled, though rare cases have been found where there was tainted water and open wounds.

ETA: Flint and Pontiac are within 45 miles of each other...


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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 1:32:40 AM   
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I'm surprised none of our resident Right wingers has noted this and drawn (what might be to them) the obvious connections and conclusions ......

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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 2:47:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Yanno,

When you say things like:
quote:

Over the weekend, for example, the editorial board of the Detroit Free Press turned its attention directly to Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R), who’s facing calls for his arrest from protestors, comparing his handling of the Flint crisis to George W. Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina.


It sure sounds partisan.

or ...
quote:


In 2014, the city of Flint, under the control of an “emergency manager” appointed by the governor, was looking for ways to save money. To that end, the Snyder administration approved a plan in which the city would switch its water source: instead of getting water from Detroit, Flint would cut costs by drawing water directly from the Flint River


or ..

this.. (which is false, btw)
quote:


In theory, there’s nothing particularly wrong with getting drinking and bathing water from a nearby river; plenty of communities across the country already do that. But in order to make Flint River water safe for people, it has to receive a special anti-corrosion treatment. Failing to treat the water sends corrosive river water through local pipes, it starts to eat through plumbing, and the result is lead poisoning.


or this
quote:

There’s also the political crisis as a result of this man-made disaster. The EPA warned Snyder administration officials about rising lead levels, but the governor did not alert the public and state officials delayed action to address the problem.
which leaves out that the EPA sat on results for 7 months, and the city and state water boards falsified results.

And when tlj says..
quote:

" To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat. Even international terrorist organizations haven't figured out yet how to do something on a magnitude like this.
well that sure sounds like an attack.

As for why waited 3 days.. I wasn't aware there was a time limit to respond. Show me where that is, will you?
Just like in the 25 laws broken thread - I waited a few days to see where the comments were going to go. If it went mainstream with a fair presentation I had no need to comment.

Additionally - there were aspects of this case I didn't know - such as orthophosphate - and I actually like to read up on things before I comment.



simply feeble response.
yawn.
Im responsible for my words, not quotes, not other peoples responses or your intentional misundeerstandings. Im not responsible for what you dont understand.
Im not responsible for your attempts to hijack or derail.
Maybe I should only post things that other *ahem* partisan hacks talk about and agree with...mind you I would be about 80 years too late.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 2:50:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Spike in Legionnaires' disease cases may be related to Flint water crisis; 10 deaths, 87 cases
http://www.wxyz.com/news/health-officials-say-there-has-been-a-spike-in-legionnaires-disease-cases-near-flint
DETROIT (WXYZ) - During a press conference to provide updates on the Flint water crisis, health officials said they have been monitoring a spike in cases of Legionnaires' disease cases near Flint.
Health officials were joined by Michigan Governor Rick Snyder as they announced that there have been 10 deaths related to 87 documented cases of Legionnaires' disease in Genesee County over about the last year and a half.
Officials say it is not yet clear whether the Legionnaires' disease cases are related to the water crisis that also left high lead levels in Flint water.
Health department representatives said they believe water in Genesee County is still safe to bathe in.


Legionnaire's is spread by inhaling aerosolyzed water containing the bacteria. The first identified outbreak in the US occurred in Philadelphia, PA. After that, Pontiac, MI health workers revisited a previously unknown outbreak that was caused by a different strain of the same bacterium. That is more commonly called "Pontiac Fever."

If this is being caused by the water from the Flint River, it's only because the water authority isn't treating the water properly, or the water isn't being treated properly at where it's being inhaled. The wiki mentioned it being possible to become infected by inhaling the vapors from a hot tub that has infected water (which points to a breakdown of the process to treat the water properly there).

As this bacterium attacks the epithelial cells of the lungs, it has to be inhaled, though rare cases have been found where there was tainted water and open wounds.

ETA: Flint and Pontiac are within 45 miles of each other...


Im watching this.. thats a nasty thing to get.



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RE: Flint Water Situation - 1/15/2016 2:57:13 AM   
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If it went mainstream with a fair presentation I had no need to comment.

You wouldnt know mainstream, if it mangled your face.
And with that for tonite im outta here...


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