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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, all the violations (from some unknown but nutsucker source, so not credible) are picayune bullshit, to harass.

So, nutsuckers with their dicks in their hands, again.

I bet even nutsuckers have speeding tickets.

But you nutsuckers use that burgeoning bloated government over regulations all the time when you are toiletlicking, don't ya?

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ORIGINAL: LucylasticWomen in texas are self aborting because of the cuts to funding
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/11/texas-self-abort/416229/Between 100,000 and 240,000 Texas women between the ages of 18 and 49 have tried to end a pregnancy by themselves, according to a pair of surveys released Tuesday by the Texas Policy Evaluation Project, a University of Texas-based effort aimed at determining the impact of the state’s reproductive policies.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

blame the source
Atlantic is a well known conservative site
AND Texas has shut down a LOT of womens health since 2008, more so since 2010
try looking at HB2 in Texas and the amendment 6 months later.
or texas senate bill 5.
Or any of the numerous other bills in texas.
I'll let you find your own links...Im sure they will disagree with mine.
Just lilke your "deceptive edit about IQ in the other thread....projection, its a funny thing when looking at you.

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A shocking video exposing Planned Parenthood’s top doctor bragging about selling the body parts of aborted babies has the Internet abuzz today.

New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, describing how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of aborted unborn children and apparently admitting she uses partial-birth abortions to supply intact body parts. [apparently---thus the investigations]

The footage shockingly depicts the top medical official at the Planned Parenthood corporation munching on her salad while she discusses the sale of body parts of unborn children victimized by abortions. She brazenly describes how the heads of unborn babies killed in abortions command top dollar. [right, but that's apparently deceptive somehow?]

But is the practice illegal?

Federal law purportedly prohibits the sale of body parts of aborted babies. In fact, the sale or purchase of human fetal tissue a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). On the surface, that seems pretty straightforward and Planned Parenthood is breaking federal law by selling body parts from babies victimized by abortions.

But, the law may not be worth the paper it’s written on.

While Planned Parenthood is in the business of selling abortions and even making money from the abortion after the abortion has been completed, it’s top attorneys get paid big bucks to make sure the abortion giant is in compliance with the law.

The federal law in question was written by pro-abortion former Congressman Henry Waxman, who was one of Planned Parenthood’s top lieutenants while he served in Congress from his California-based Congressional district. In fact, the law in question was enacted over pro-life opposition because it is so substantially flawed that it’s akin to saying Obamacare prohibits abortion funding via its sham “ban” that is a de facto allowance of abortion funding with federal dollars.

The Waxman-authored law explicitly allows “reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.” This, the law merely “prohibits” selling fetal tissue in a definition that is so narrow that the exposed Planned Parenthood practices are fully legal under the letter of it in a manner that Planned Parenthood’s high priced attorneys have been able to exploit.

In fact the law only prohibits the sale of fetal tissue (i.e. body parts of aborted babies) IF such a sale affects interstate commerce, if “a promise to the donating individual that the donated tissue will be transplanted into a recipient specified by such individual,” or if a promise is made that “the donated tissue will be transplanted into a relative of the donating individual” or if “the person who solicits or knowingly acquires, receives, or accepts the donation has provided valuable consideration for the costs associated with such abortion.”

In other words, unless one of those prohibiting qualifications are met — and Planned Parenthood is specifically saying today that is does not make such promises — then the sale of fetal tissue (body parts of aborted babies) is perfectly legal under the “ban” on the sale of body parts of aborted babies.

The allegation is that Planned Parenthood appears to be violating a supposed ban on the sale of fetal tissue (notably language stating “the person who solicits or knowingly acquires, receives, or accepts the donation has provided valuable consideration for the costs associated with such abortion.”) But the term “valuable consideration” is subject to debate.

In fact, the law specifically states: ” The term ‘valuable consideration’ does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.” The law makes it appear that Planned Parenthood has specific permission to engage in the sale of aborted baby body parts so long as the profit is “reasonable.”

And, under the statute, if the sale of the fetal tissue (body parts of aborted babies) does not affect interstate commerce — i.e. a Planned Parenthood abortion business within a given state sells the body parts from an abortion baby to a research firm in the state, then the sale does not affect interstate commerce in the first place, therefore it is perfectly prohibited under current federal law. Judging from what the Planned Parenthood official in the video says, that appears to be the current arrangement at Planned Parenthood affiliates — making it so the sale of aborted baby body parts is not illegal or technically prohibited under federal law.

Ultimately, as long as Planned Parenthood’s profits are reasonable and it complies with weak limits, the sale is legitimate under federal law.

This expose’ video underscores the importance of Congress reviewing the federal law and putting a true ban in place and for state legislatures to pass their own bans on the sale of fetal tissue or aborted baby body parts within their own state jurisdictions.

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42 U.S. Code § 289g–2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue
(a) Purchase of tissue
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce.

(b) Solicitation or acceptance of tissue as directed donation for use in transplantation
It shall be unlawful for any person to solicit or knowingly acquire, receive, or accept a donation of human fetal tissue for the purpose of transplantation of such tissue into another person if the donation affects interstate commerce, the tissue will be or is obtained pursuant to an induced abortion, and—

(1) the donation will be or is made pursuant to a promise to the donating individual that the donated tissue will be transplanted into a recipient specified by such individual;

(2) the donated tissue will be transplanted into a relative of the donating individual; or

(3) the person who solicits or knowingly acquires, receives, or accepts the donation has provided valuable consideration for the costs associated with such abortion.

(c) Solicitation or acceptance of tissue from fetuses gestated for research purposes
It shall be unlawful for any person or entity involved or engaged in interstate commerce to—

(1) solicit or knowingly acquire, receive, or accept a donation of human fetal tissue knowing that a human pregnancy was deliberately initiated to provide such tissue; or

(2) knowingly acquire, receive, or accept tissue or cells obtained from a human embryo or fetus that was gestated in the uterus of a nonhuman animal.

(d) Criminal penalties for violations
(1) In general
Any person who violates subsection (a), (b), or (c) shall be fined in accordance with title 18, subject to paragraph (2), or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(2) Penalties applicable to persons receiving consideration
With respect to the imposition of a fine under paragraph (1), if the person involved violates subsection (a) or (b)(3), a fine shall be imposed in an amount not less than twice the amount of the valuable consideration received.

(e) Definitions
For purposes of this section:

(1) The term “human fetal tissue” has the meaning given such term in section 289g–1 (g) of this title.

(2) The term “interstate commerce” has the meaning given such term in section 321 (b) of title 21.

(3) The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I know this is tough for you pro-baby killing comrades to accept, but, planned parenthood sells aborted baby parts.

the investigations, in large part, have to do with seeing if they are indeed doing so in compliance with law. (as if legal necessarily has anything to do with "right")

since learning about the practice, most americans are for their tax dollars going somewhere other than to planned parenthood.

I posted this before:

"Planned Parenthood Was Exposed Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies, How is That Legal?"

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A shocking video exposing Planned Parenthood’s top doctor bragging about selling the body parts of aborted babies has the Internet abuzz today.

New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Senior Director of Medical Services, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, describing how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of aborted unborn children and apparently admitting she uses partial-birth abortions to supply intact body parts. [apparently---thus the investigations]

The footage shockingly depicts the top medical official at the Planned Parenthood corporation munching on her salad while she discusses the sale of body parts of unborn children victimized by abortions. She brazenly describes how the heads of unborn babies killed in abortions command top dollar. [right, but that's apparently deceptive somehow?]

But is the practice illegal?

Federal law purportedly prohibits the sale of body parts of aborted babies. In fact, the sale or purchase of human fetal tissue a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). On the surface, that seems pretty straightforward and Planned Parenthood is breaking federal law by selling body parts from babies victimized by abortions.

But, the law may not be worth the paper it’s written on.

While Planned Parenthood is in the business of selling abortions and even making money from the abortion after the abortion has been completed, it’s top attorneys get paid big bucks to make sure the abortion giant is in compliance with the law.

The federal law in question was written by pro-abortion former Congressman Henry Waxman, who was one of Planned Parenthood’s top lieutenants while he served in Congress from his California-based Congressional district. In fact, the law in question was enacted over pro-life opposition because it is so substantially flawed that it’s akin to saying Obamacare prohibits abortion funding via its sham “ban” that is a de facto allowance of abortion funding with federal dollars.

The Waxman-authored law explicitly allows “reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.” This, the law merely “prohibits” selling fetal tissue in a definition that is so narrow that the exposed Planned Parenthood practices are fully legal under the letter of it in a manner that Planned Parenthood’s high priced attorneys have been able to exploit.

In fact the law only prohibits the sale of fetal tissue (i.e. body parts of aborted babies) IF such a sale affects interstate commerce, if “a promise to the donating individual that the donated tissue will be transplanted into a recipient specified by such individual,” or if a promise is made that “the donated tissue will be transplanted into a relative of the donating individual” or if “the person who solicits or knowingly acquires, receives, or accepts the donation has provided valuable consideration for the costs associated with such abortion.”

In other words, unless one of those prohibiting qualifications are met — and Planned Parenthood is specifically saying today that is does not make such promises — then the sale of fetal tissue (body parts of aborted babies) is perfectly legal under the “ban” on the sale of body parts of aborted babies.

The allegation is that Planned Parenthood appears to be violating a supposed ban on the sale of fetal tissue (notably language stating “the person who solicits or knowingly acquires, receives, or accepts the donation has provided valuable consideration for the costs associated with such abortion.”) But the term “valuable consideration” is subject to debate.

In fact, the law specifically states: ” The term ‘valuable consideration’ does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.” The law makes it appear that Planned Parenthood has specific permission to engage in the sale of aborted baby body parts so long as the profit is “reasonable.”

And, under the statute, if the sale of the fetal tissue (body parts of aborted babies) does not affect interstate commerce — i.e. a Planned Parenthood abortion business within a given state sells the body parts from an abortion baby to a research firm in the state, then the sale does not affect interstate commerce in the first place, therefore it is perfectly prohibited under current federal law. Judging from what the Planned Parenthood official in the video says, that appears to be the current arrangement at Planned Parenthood affiliates — making it so the sale of aborted baby body parts is not illegal or technically prohibited under federal law.

Ultimately, as long as Planned Parenthood’s profits are reasonable and it complies with weak limits, the sale is legitimate under federal law.

This expose’ video underscores the importance of Congress reviewing the federal law and putting a true ban in place and for state legislatures to pass their own bans on the sale of fetal tissue or aborted baby body parts within their own state jurisdictions.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/14/planned-parenthood-was-exposed-selling-body-parts-of-aborted-babies-how-can-that-be-legal/

here is the actual law in question:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-2

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42 U.S. Code § 289g–2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue
(a) Purchase of tissue
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce.

(b) Solicitation or acceptance of tissue as directed donation for use in transplantation
It shall be unlawful for any person to solicit or knowingly acquire, receive, or accept a donation of human fetal tissue for the purpose of transplantation of such tissue into another person if the donation affects interstate commerce, the tissue will be or is obtained pursuant to an induced abortion, and—

(1) the donation will be or is made pursuant to a promise to the donating individual that the donated tissue will be transplanted into a recipient specified by such individual;

(2) the donated tissue will be transplanted into a relative of the donating individual; or

(3) the person who solicits or knowingly acquires, receives, or accepts the donation has provided valuable consideration for the costs associated with such abortion.

(c) Solicitation or acceptance of tissue from fetuses gestated for research purposes
It shall be unlawful for any person or entity involved or engaged in interstate commerce to—

(1) solicit or knowingly acquire, receive, or accept a donation of human fetal tissue knowing that a human pregnancy was deliberately initiated to provide such tissue; or

(2) knowingly acquire, receive, or accept tissue or cells obtained from a human embryo or fetus that was gestated in the uterus of a nonhuman animal.

(d) Criminal penalties for violations
(1) In general
Any person who violates subsection (a), (b), or (c) shall be fined in accordance with title 18, subject to paragraph (2), or imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

(2) Penalties applicable to persons receiving consideration
With respect to the imposition of a fine under paragraph (1), if the person involved violates subsection (a) or (b)(3), a fine shall be imposed in an amount not less than twice the amount of the valuable consideration received.

(e) Definitions
For purposes of this section:

(1) The term “human fetal tissue” has the meaning given such term in section 289g–1 (g) of this title.

(2) The term “interstate commerce” has the meaning given such term in section 321 (b) of title 21.

(3) The term “valuable consideration” does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.

call it a law written with the express purpose of allowing an organization with lawyers and accountants to find a way to continue to sell aborted baby parts.

note the last point in particular---despite the people caught on tape more or less haggling for prices (yeah yeah, sure, deceptive editing), planned parenthood is able to say they aren't "selling" the parts by virtue of being compensated for their service in a variety of other ways. that is, "gee, we don't make a profit out of this, we're just covering our costs ya know?"

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A family-owned pharmacy is on the verge of being pushed out of business because they say the owners — devout Christians — won’t sell drugs like the morning after pill.

Washington state passed a law in 2007 that pharmacies must provide emergency contraceptives, like the morning after pill and the week after pill, which many pro-life groups say are equivalent to abortion because they may prevent a fertilized egg from implanting on the wall of the uterus, effectively killing it.

Stormans Inc., a Washington pharmacy, may go out of business because its owners refuse to comply with the law and are now plaintiffs in a legal battle with the state. The two other plaintiffs in the suit are pharmacists, one who lost her job because of her refusal to sell the drugs and the other who has been told she will lose hers if the regulations are upheld. The plaintiffs say the law violates their religious beliefs and their conscience and that the law is unconstitutional. But a federal appellate judge ruled against them in July of last year. They appealed to the Supreme Court Monday, their last chance of saving the Stormans business and the pharmacists careers in the state...

Refusing based on faith or conscience does not fit into those exceptions, and, Goodrich told The DCNF, was designed that way on purpose to target religious pharmacists. He said that Planned Parenthood sent people into pharmacies all over the state looking for violators until they finally found Stormans pharmacy.

“Within five miles of [Stormans pharmacy], there are over 30 pharmacies that sell the morning after pill, so it’s undisputed that none of the customers have ever been denied timely access,” Goodrich told The DCNF....

The family challenged the law in court, and a federal court struck down the law in February 2012 saying it forced religious pharmacy owners to violate their faith. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals then reversed the decision in July 2015 and reinstated the contentious law.

Goodrich said that Washington is the only state in the country with such a strict law and that the American Pharmacists Association, the leading group in the country, filed a brief in favor of the Christian pharmacists.

“Ever since Roe V. Wade the states and the federal government have consistently protected all medical professionals from being involved in what they consider an abortion,” Goodich told The DCNF. “This would really be the first time the legal system has given the green light to force people to be involved in what they think is an abortion.”

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/01/05/planned-parenthood-about-to-shut-down-christian-pharmacy-for-refusing-to-sell-abortion-drugs-291169#ixzz3yecYAnjE

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

if they weren't despicable enough:

"Planned Parenthood about to shut down Christian Pharmacy for refusing to sell abortion drugs"

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A family-owned pharmacy is on the verge of being pushed out of business because they say the owners — devout Christians — won’t sell drugs like the morning after pill.

Washington state passed a law in 2007 that pharmacies must provide emergency contraceptives, like the morning after pill and the week after pill, which many pro-life groups say are equivalent to abortion because they may prevent a fertilized egg from implanting on the wall of the uterus, effectively killing it.

Stormans Inc., a Washington pharmacy, may go out of business because its owners refuse to comply with the law and are now plaintiffs in a legal battle with the state. The two other plaintiffs in the suit are pharmacists, one who lost her job because of her refusal to sell the drugs and the other who has been told she will lose hers if the regulations are upheld. The plaintiffs say the law violates their religious beliefs and their conscience and that the law is unconstitutional. But a federal appellate judge ruled against them in July of last year. They appealed to the Supreme Court Monday, their last chance of saving the Stormans business and the pharmacists careers in the state...

Refusing based on faith or conscience does not fit into those exceptions, and, Goodrich told The DCNF, was designed that way on purpose to target religious pharmacists. He said that Planned Parenthood sent people into pharmacies all over the state looking for violators until they finally found Stormans pharmacy.

“Within five miles of [Stormans pharmacy], there are over 30 pharmacies that sell the morning after pill, so it’s undisputed that none of the customers have ever been denied timely access,” Goodrich told The DCNF....

The family challenged the law in court, and a federal court struck down the law in February 2012 saying it forced religious pharmacy owners to violate their faith. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals then reversed the decision in July 2015 and reinstated the contentious law.

Goodrich said that Washington is the only state in the country with such a strict law and that the American Pharmacists Association, the leading group in the country, filed a brief in favor of the Christian pharmacists.

“Ever since Roe V. Wade the states and the federal government have consistently protected all medical professionals from being involved in what they consider an abortion,” Goodich told The DCNF. “This would really be the first time the legal system has given the green light to force people to be involved in what they think is an abortion.”

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/01/05/planned-parenthood-about-to-shut-down-christian-pharmacy-for-refusing-to-sell-abortion-drugs-291169#ixzz3yecYAnjE

in other words, "its not enough that we kill babies, we are going to force you to be a part of it also, or lose you profession."

sure---liberals are about freedom. oh and tolerance too, don't forget that one.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Personally, I think those that are pro abortion should be just as determined to have a full investigation whether the law was broken or not.
Instead, the stand by planned parenthood demonstratons were to stand by it, right or wrong.

You ought to have the moral compass to understand that PP was caught saying troubling things. And as a legal and moral principle ought to want that investigated.

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With all of these Planned Parenthood facilities closing, pro-lifers are being accused of “shutting down places that provide healthcare to women.” But, are we? Are pro-lifers closing these facilities? Last time I checked, it is Planned Parenthood who is making the decision to close down their centers. Let’s take a look at why that is happening.

Several Planned Parenthood clinics in Oregon and Iowa recently closed, citing that they simply didn’t have the clients needed to keep their clinics open. Why the lack of clients? Probably because of the lack of basic services.

The general population seems to think that Planned Parenthood does a whole lot more than they actually do. Does Planned Parenthood provide actual prenatal care? No. They actually phased out their prenatal care program a few years back, stating that the pregnant patients were “too cumbersome.” Some clinics do continue to tout that they provide this service just so they can continue to include it in their annual report. These centers provide prenatal vitamins and then log that under “prenatal care.” Planned Parenthood actually doesn’t provide any service to pregnant women except for abortion, of course. Maybe if they actually started to provide for their advertised services, they would make enough money to stay open.

Planned Parenthood states they provide care for “breast health.” But that is also a stretch. Planned Parenthood is a level-one breast cancer service center. That means they are not allowed to provide any breast health service past a manual breast exam. You know, the same type of breast exam that you do in the shower every month. It’s the same breast exam that you can receive from any nurse or doctor anywhere in the country. Planned Parenthood does not provide breast ultrasounds, breast biopsies, mammograms or anything other than manual breast exams. Maybe if they started providing women with real breast health care, they could keep their doors open.

Planned Parenthood provides no primary care. You can’t visit a Planned Parenthood if you have strep throat, a sinus infection, or the flu. They can’t treat your high blood pressure, your elevated cholesterol or to help regulate your diabetes. They have no national protocol that allows them to provide any of those primary care services. You can be seen at Planned Parenthood for limited STD screening and treatment, birth control, a limited woman’s exam or an abortion. Other than that, you are pretty much out of luck. Maybe if they started to provide these primary care services, they wouldn’t be so hard pressed to find clients...

You see, if Planned Parenthood was really concerned about the health and safety of women, they would be bending over backwards to implement these changes. They would be reinventing themselves as true healthcare centers that can treat primary care issues, provide prenatal care, etc. And, my goodness, they would definitely take the money and time needed to clean up their centers!... it is them who have let down the women in their community. They have chosen to abandon these poor women.

So, while Planned Parenthood is making their choices, we pro-lifers will step in and actually help women find the services they so desperately need. Don’t worry, Planned Parenthood, we’ll gladly pick up the slack that you have put down.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS< I find it strange that on a website like this, you believe to think that we all have the same moral compass.
SNORTS