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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 9:55:35 AM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for, and yet I don't see them getting all up in arms about the fact that we can't harvest organs from the deceased without the dead's permission before kicking the bucket. If we can't harvest organs from DEAD people, then there is no reason why we should be forcing a LIVING person to do something with their body that they don't want to do.



Please read up on the Zika virus
And the repercussions its having on pregnant women south of the US...
In Brazil with its zero tolerance policy over abortions.
so far, in a report I just read, 31 women in the US have it...
come summer, its going to be all over
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pregnant-woman-nyc-31-infected-zika-virus-us/story?id=36595794

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 10:10:52 AM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for...


apart from that its a LIVING BABY in question (which you want to ignore) I never knew protecting the defenseless and the innocent qualified one as a self righteous idiot.

out of time at the moment but maybe someone else can hop in and address the fluff in the rest of your sentence.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 10:43:33 AM   
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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:00:29 AM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for, and yet I don't see them getting all up in arms about the fact that we can't harvest organs from the deceased without the dead's permission before kicking the bucket. If we can't harvest organs from DEAD people, then there is no reason why we should be forcing a LIVING person to do something with their body that they don't want to do.



Please read up on the Zika virus
And the repercussions its having on pregnant women south of the US...
In Brazil with its zero tolerance policy over abortions.
so far, in a report I just read, 31 women in the US have it...
come summer, its going to be all over
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pregnant-woman-nyc-31-infected-zika-virus-us/story?id=36595794


The Aderes (?) mosquito that spreads zika does not exist in significant numbers in the us. Usual mosquito control should be fine here.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:10:13 AM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for...


apart from that its a LIVING BABY in question (which you want to ignore) I never knew protecting the defenseless and the innocent qualified one as a self righteous idiot.

out of time at the moment but maybe someone else can hop in and address the fluff in the rest of your sentence.

Apart from that???
there is NO "apart from that"
You arent protecting anything but an ideology. You have no right to Stop me from deciding for myself. I have life and liberty too. Oh and Freesom, and while its not appropo for me being a non US person, the 4th amendment.

You arent interested in sanctity of life, You arent interested in the mental, physical, spiritual health results of forcing a woman to go thru with a pregnancy. You certainly as a social conservative dont give a rats ass about the parents, or the kids already born and individuals, feeding, housing, medical care, Or that women suffer thru pregnancy, have you ever heard of post partum depression and how prevalent it is???? and the numbers of women who commit suicide from it. You ignored all that and your list of things that PP DONT do, they are a PLANNED Parenthood Organization. THEY DO prevent abortions, they DO help prevent STDS they do provide HEALTHCARE Regarding procreation for MEN AND WOMEN. EDUCATION im sure you think is far to liberal, but education WORKS in reducing unwanted pregnancies.




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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:13:39 AM   
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The Aderes (?) mosquito that spreads zika does not exist in significant numbers in the us. Usual mosquito control should be fine here.

I think the CDC might not agree with your premise -

From Huff'n'poo: Thirty-one people in the U.S. have so far been diagnosed with Zika and a microcephalic baby was born in Hawaii, but none of the cases were contracted on U.S. soil. Each involved a person who traveled to a Zika-affected country, where they acquired the virus via local transmission -- when a mosquito picks up the virus from an infected person and transmits it to someone else through a bite.

This same scenario is "likely" to happen in the U.S., according to Dr. Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the federal Centers of Disease Control and Prevention. In a press conference Thursday, she cited recent outbreaks in the U.S. of dengue fever and chikungunya, two other mosquito-borne diseases active in American thanks to the same host that's currently spreading Zika: the Aedes aegypti mosquito.

"These types of mosquitoes are common in parts of the United States, particularly southern states," said Schuchat. "So it’s possible, even likely, that we will see limited Zika outbreaks in the United States.

"We do expect that we are at risk for local transmission, and I think we’re not going to be surprised to report that,” she added.

Schuchat’s predictions align with the World Health Organization’s recent warning that Zika will spread across the Americas, with the exceptions of Canada and Chile, where Aedes aegypti isn't found.


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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:14:55 AM   
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not a living baby. lets not ignore it, its a zygote.


Despite the culture wars attempt to redefine baby, historically, culturally, poetically, its a baby.

'nor a woman, the child within her womb.'

'stillborn babe'

Look at the newborn baby. It struggles to breathe after living in the womb. And yet, growth comes as a result of struggle. Even when we talk about jihad. We need to attach consciousness to struggle. This struggle has to be both individual and collective.
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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:20:20 AM   
mnottertail


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Even god dont figure its a living thing.
Figures of speech, we tie our shoes. (what does that really mean?) tie shoelaces?



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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:30:43 AM   
Lucylastic


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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for, and yet I don't see them getting all up in arms about the fact that we can't harvest organs from the deceased without the dead's permission before kicking the bucket. If we can't harvest organs from DEAD people, then there is no reason why we should be forcing a LIVING person to do something with their body that they don't want to do.



Please read up on the Zika virus
And the repercussions its having on pregnant women south of the US...
In Brazil with its zero tolerance policy over abortions.
so far, in a report I just read, 31 women in the US have it...
come summer, its going to be all over
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pregnant-woman-nyc-31-infected-zika-virus-us/story?id=36595794


The Aderes (?) mosquito that spreads zika does not exist in significant numbers in the us. Usual mosquito control should be fine here.

just a snip to give a bit of extended info...of course...people are still looking into it, im not stating this is the full unvarnished truth...


Authorities are also focusing on containing the Aedes mosquito species, which spreads the disease. These mosquitoes have spread flaviviruses such as Zika before -- for example, dengue fever, in South America, Central America and as far north as Florida and Texas.

And the regularly occurring global weather phenomenon known as El Niño is expected to make things worse by increasing mosquito populations, the WHO's Chan said.

Keeping down the number of what Schuchat called "aggressive daytime biters" is tough. Microbiologist Brian Foy pointed out that Aedes mosquitoes "can replicate in flower vases and other tiny sources of water."

"Community mosquito control may be difficult," Schuchat said. "The current methods that we have may have shortcomings."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/health/zika-virus-global-response/

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:33:06 AM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for, and yet I don't see them getting all up in arms about the fact that we can't harvest organs from the deceased without the dead's permission before kicking the bucket. If we can't harvest organs from DEAD people, then there is no reason why we should be forcing a LIVING person to do something with their body that they don't want to do.



Please read up on the Zika virus
And the repercussions its having on pregnant women south of the US...
In Brazil with its zero tolerance policy over abortions.
so far, in a report I just read, 31 women in the US have it...
come summer, its going to be all over
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/pregnant-woman-nyc-31-infected-zika-virus-us/story?id=36595794


The Aderes (?) mosquito that spreads zika does not exist in significant numbers in the us. Usual mosquito control should be fine here.



PS what about the women who ARE affected by it????

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 11:57:58 AM   
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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 12:19:56 PM   
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These are all people infected from elsewhere.

As for Lucy: What exactly do you think we should do?



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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 12:34:46 PM   
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There is already a confirmed case in Minnesota. The temperature is 33 F today. Estimates is that it will affect 4 million people in the US at this point. All well and fine, unless you are pregnant.



actually, nearly 3 dozen cases in 11 states (as of yesterday)

oh cripes..

"There are two recorded cases when the highly dangerous Zika virus may have been transmitted through sexual intercourse, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said.
A test revealed high levels of the virus in his semen even after it was no longer present in his blood samples, the New York Times reported. "

https://www.rt.com/news/330587-zika-virus-transmitted-sex/

''Some models estimate as many as 200 million people live in areas that might be conducive to the spread of Zika during summer months — including the East and West coasts and much of the Midwest.''

Nearly three dozen cases have been confirmed to date in 11 states and the District of Columbia, but CDC acknowledges that the number is growing rapidly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-the-united-states-is-vulnerable-to-spread-of-zika-virus/2016/01/26/a8c6a9b4-c440-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html





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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 3:15:35 PM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for...


apart from that its a LIVING BABY in question (which you want to ignore) I never knew protecting the defenseless and the innocent qualified one as a self righteous idiot.

out of time at the moment but maybe someone else can hop in and address the fluff in the rest of your sentence.


never mind all the self-righteous left wing idiots who are pro-life...

and never mind that, sorry, "life" should win out over "convenience."

some women have abortions without the husband's or father's knowledge or young women without the parent's knowledge.

some women have abortions citing the baby getting in the way of their education---have the baby now, finish school a little later. plenty of people have done it.

"want" changes as pregnancy continues and natural maternal instincts emerge. some women who initially didn't want their baby grow to love it and change their mind.

some women (many?) live with regret for what they've done, and wish they hadn't.

what does "incapable of caring for" even mean in todays welfare state? especially given the help of parents and grandparents.

more solidly to the point: there are hundreds of thousands into a couple million infertile couples, and even single people and couples already with children, who are looking to adopt. go ahead and tell me killing the baby is better then finding a home for it?

add that all up, and theres very little "reason" for abortion to be occurring to the extent it does.

planned parenthood doesn't talk about options with women. crisis pregnancy centers do.




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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 3:23:46 PM   
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You know it's interesting, these self righteous right wing idiots think it's okay to force living, breathing women to carry to term a baby they might not have wanted or wouldn't be capable of caring for...


apart from that its a LIVING BABY in question (which you want to ignore) I never knew protecting the defenseless and the innocent qualified one as a self righteous idiot.

out of time at the moment but maybe someone else can hop in and address the fluff in the rest of your sentence.


Technically it's a parasite, if it can't survive on it's own without the need of a biological host, then it isn't a baby. Is it really protecting children for you to force parents to have a child they didn't want? A child they might not be financially or mentally capable of supporting? How many kids are born that aren't wanted that end up in foster homes, homes where a large portion of these kids aren't adopted? Kids that end up in gangs, doing drugs, struggling in life without honest to god parents showing them the right path? A lot of the time, an abortion is a mercy, after all, you wouldn't let your beloved dog suffer for hours or days on end without any hope in sight? No, I take that back, knowing you and your ilk you'd probably just "pray the pain away".

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 4:10:07 PM   
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Technically it's a parasite, if it can't survive on it's own without the need of a biological host, then it isn't a baby.


And hence you are revealed once again as being a complete extremist and idiot.

News flash TKman - even toddlers and children can't live on their own. So according to you an 18 month old child isn't a baby... its a parasite. Great.

No matter how much you try to twist the language baby still perfectly applies to a child not yet born.

Here's an example from freedictionary.com:
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unborn (anˈboːn) adjective
(of a baby) still in the mother's womb. When she was involved in a car accident the doctor was worried in case her unborn baby had been injured


I get that you're too much of a pussy to man up to being called a baby killer. But thats what you espouse; thats what you are. If that's what you're proud of - then man up to it and accept it.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 4:17:56 PM   
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There is already a confirmed case in Minnesota. The temperature is 33 F today. Estimates is that it will affect 4 million people in the US at this point. All well and fine, unless you are pregnant.



actually, nearly 3 dozen cases in 11 states (as of yesterday)

oh cripes..

"There are two recorded cases when the highly dangerous Zika virus may have been transmitted through sexual intercourse, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said.
A test revealed high levels of the virus in his semen even after it was no longer present in his blood samples, the New York Times reported. "

https://www.rt.com/news/330587-zika-virus-transmitted-sex/

''Some models estimate as many as 200 million people live in areas that might be conducive to the spread of Zika during summer months — including the East and West coasts and much of the Midwest.''

Nearly three dozen cases have been confirmed to date in 11 states and the District of Columbia, but CDC acknowledges that the number is growing rapidly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-the-united-states-is-vulnerable-to-spread-of-zika-virus/2016/01/26/a8c6a9b4-c440-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html






Cmon people. A grain of salt here.

The same mosquitos that pass the zika viras can pass dengue (bone-break) and yellow fever. If you want to worry about a disease, worry about those.
In Brazil, where the virus is endemic - they only had 4000 cases of microencephaly- which is *horrible*, but as a public health issue - it pales in comparison to a lot of problems in brazil. Brazil gets more death from other causes just from the water alone in Rio, iirc.

But as a public health measure - this is no where near an emergency, in the US.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 4:19:20 PM   
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Lmfao you idiotic wanker.



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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 4:20:17 PM   
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Lmfao you idiotic wanker.



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Not even close.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 1/29/2016 4:54:03 PM   
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Technically it's a parasite, if it can't survive on it's own without the need of a biological host, then it isn't a baby.


And hence you are revealed once again as being a complete extremist and idiot.

News flash TKman - even toddlers and children can't live on their own. So according to you an 18 month old child isn't a baby... its a parasite. Great.

No matter how much you try to twist the language baby still perfectly applies to a child not yet born.

Here's an example from freedictionary.com:
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unborn (anˈboːn) adjective
(of a baby) still in the mother's womb. When she was involved in a car accident the doctor was worried in case her unborn baby had been injured


I get that you're too much of a pussy to man up to being called a baby killer. But thats what you espouse; thats what you are. If that's what you're proud of - then man up to it and accept it.



Nope, you do have a point, in a lot of ways children still are parasites, but not biologically the same way a tapeworm or a zygote is. I know you have a problem understanding science, but even you should be able to agree with that.

But I find it quite hilarious that you'd call me an extremist considering how obsessed with right wing politics you are. Like lucy, I dislike abortion, I hate the idea of it and it absolutely sucks, for the mother and the unborn child. However, I would never expect my woman or any other woman to obey my orders about what they can or can't do with their bodies. Not to mention I don't paint all abortions with a broad brush, you nor I have any idea why women have an abortion or what their reasonings are, and it's not our place to judge. We're not women. So unless your dick falls off...oh wait, it already did, it's quite evident by your pathetic partisan attacks that you clearly dont have any balls. I take it back, go ahead and make all the moronic claims you want. You're history old man, I represent the future, and I love that it pisses you off to the degree it does.

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