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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/2/2016 9:02:34 AM   
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Lmfao you idiotic wanker.



Murderer.


My point exactly ^^ You've got no balls, no argument of any kind, that you resort to petty insults. Seriously, how old are you? You're behaving like school children, but given the fact that your party's leading man is essentially a schoolyard bully, it's not all that surprising.


It's interesting that you are so quick to see this in his posts and yet never mention when someone on the left pulls that same shit or you yourself do.

Pot meet kettle.


of course, remember that even if there were any substance to the "idiotic wanker" charge, itd still be better to be one of those as opposed to a murderer.


I don't know, seems to me that calling someone a murderer when you have no clue who you are actually talking about qualifies as an idiotic wanker to me. It's done for shock value and only makes him look bad.


Ahem. You seem to have missed the point. I was called an idiotic wanker for daring to have an opinion in opposition to lucylastic, a condition pretty much a daily routine here. Usually I ignore such crap.

The point I was attempting to make were several.

A. Anyone can just throw around insults - and this rapidly just becomes a flame war of insults - not interesting reading, and the message boards die.
B. And while it would be more precise perhaps to call her an advocate for murder - you've already encountered the problem with the necessity for little words. My words were certainly more accurate than hers, or her rebuttal.

Women have been getting pregnant as long as the human race has been around. Something that is routine and usual cannot be barbaric - which is outstanding cruel or exceedingly brutal. Inculcating women with the idea that it is a parasite not a baby; that it is a choice; means that childbirth becomes more traumatic.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/2/2016 9:05:06 AM   
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So, that then makes you a murdering nutsucker, does it not?


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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 6:28:01 AM   
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and so yeah, im going to believe evangelical Christians who have a moral prohibition against lying, over godless baby killers, or for that matter, godless liberals who have no such prohibition, 100 times out of a 100.

So you believe evangelicals because they profess a "moral prohibition" against lying?

Are we talking about the evangelicals involved in this case who, despite the "moral prohibition" against lying, falsely represented themselves to PP as part of their witchunt? Who lied to PP about their identities? Who lied to PP about their agenda and motives? Who created heavily edited and deliberately misleading videos about PP and them distributed them to the US public? (BTW deliberately misleading is lying.) Who initiated this case on the basis of lies? Who have promoted this case based on lies? All of this despite their self proclaimed "moral prohibition" against lying?

In short you are choosing to believe people whose entire involvement and history in this matter is based on lies, falsehoods and deliberately deceptive and misleading claims and false information because these people have a self proclaimed "moral prohibition" against lying.

If I wasn't aware of the ideological imperative that causes you to abandon your capacity for critical thinking and disbelief on this and other matters, I'd have to conclude that you are one of the most gullible and naive persons I've ever encountered.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 1:23:02 PM   
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and so yeah, im going to believe evangelical Christians who have a moral prohibition against lying, over godless baby killers, or for that matter, godless liberals who have no such prohibition, 100 times out of a 100.

So you believe evangelicals because they profess a "moral prohibition" against lying?

Who created heavily edited and deliberately misleading videos about PP and them distributed them to the US public?



Repeating the accusation that the videos were deceptively edited doesn't make it so.

All movies, but especially documentaries are edited. You edit out the bits that are not germane to the subject matter. To make the accusation that they are deceptive edits - you'd have to be able to prove that that exculpatory footage exists.

Since you don't have any such footage: shut up. You are just parroting a talking point.


And yes, all people lie; but yes on the margins I think religious convictions make a difference. So moral character is one of the things that gets factored into whether I believe a person or not.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 1:38:51 PM   
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You know as well as i do, that the only places that have shown these deceptive cuts are on non religious or msm sites. You wont find them anywhere else in rw land.


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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 1:54:21 PM   
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and so yeah, im going to believe evangelical Christians who have a moral prohibition against lying, over godless baby killers, or for that matter, godless liberals who have no such prohibition, 100 times out of a 100.

So you believe evangelicals because they profess a "moral prohibition" against lying?

Who created heavily edited and deliberately misleading videos about PP and them distributed them to the US public?



Repeating the accusation that the videos were deceptively edited doesn't make it so.

All movies, but especially documentaries are edited. You edit out the bits that are not germane to the subject matter. To make the accusation that they are deceptive edits - you'd have to be able to prove that that exculpatory footage exists.

Since you don't have any such footage: shut up. You are just parroting a talking point.


And yes, all people lie; but yes on the margins I think religious convictions make a difference. So moral character is one of the things that gets factored into whether I believe a person or not.


moral character has nothing to do with 'religious' beliefs, consider the religious nutsuckers and priests that are child molesters.

Many people profess morality, but haven't got any more clue of the meaning of that, than they do of facts.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 7:36:43 PM   
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You know as well as i do, that the only places that have shown these deceptive cuts are on non religious or msm sites. You wont find them anywhere else in rw land.




Your sentence might make sense.. somewhere.

The planned parenthood videos are widely available, on non religious sites. Both the full and and the edited version. No one (that I know) has shown any exculpatory footage.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 9:35:43 PM   
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Transcripts .

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 9:42:51 PM   
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Peanut butter. In other words. Random words by you do not evidence make. Provide evidence to support your assertion that the edits to the video are deceptive. Otherwise, retract your statement.

In other words provide evidence that cut scenes or footage contain exculpatory footage.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/3/2016 9:47:48 PM   
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Ive linked before. Im not doing it for you.
Of course you WIll Find it on pp.and in google

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 7:55:21 AM   
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Ive linked before. Im not doing it for you.
Of course you WIll Find it on pp.and in google


No, you have not. Nor does a casual google search reveal any such. I pretty much assume that if any such footage existed, PP supporters would make it a front page search result.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 9:02:09 AM   
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Why retract it? You dont retract your false nutsuckerisms, and you have many.

However, she did post it.

And the preponderance of the evidence is that they were deceptively edited, and I think I would rather believe the experts in this matter than an ignorant nutsucker such as you.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 9:21:18 AM   
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Allow me to quote from the one link she posted back on page three

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According to the investigation, the reviewers could not determine “the extent to which C.M.P.’s undisclosed edits and cuts distort the meaning of the encounters the videos purport to document.”


In other words, no evidence of deceptive editing; certainly no evidence of exculpatory footage. All the fusion analysis says is - hey, there are edits.

Duh.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 9:48:59 AM   
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*snicker* doesn't say that though. Only an ignorant and demonstrably lying nutsucker said that.

They said they couldn't (thats could not) determine........

What sort of car do I drive? Can you determine it? There is its use in a sentence.

If you can not determine it, then you are as far along as the reviewers.

The trees are not green. This sentence, under no circumstance implies or proves that they are puce. In fact, to say so would be a knowing lie.

In other words, more asswipe from the nutsucker contingent.


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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 12:23:56 PM   
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As I have mentioned before, they (CMP) wanted to plead the fifth and not have to give all their "info" for want of a better word. Ive posted it before on a thread.
BTW I also didn't say what happened with any footage, that is tied up in the court case going ahead right now.
I only linked to transcripts both of what was shown, and what was deleted for showing of the short clips.
Only the transcripts are what I am discussing.
I didn't mention I had posted links in this thread either, just that you missed the thread. If you want it, look for it.
Now, is that clear enough for you?

Until it is, have some of this....
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/overnights/267975-overnight-healthcare-house-fails-to-override-veto-of-obamacare-repeal

The House on Tuesday failed to override President Obama's veto of legislation that would have repealed much of ObamaCare and defunded Planned Parenthood.

The result was expected, given that an override would have required Democratic support to succeed, but Republicans praised the vote as showing what could happen next year if their party wins back the White House.

The veto override failed by a vote of 241 to 186.
"We have now forged a path that is a clear path to repealing ObamaCare without 60 votes in the Senate," Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday. "So what we are proving today is that if we have a Republican president next year, we will repeal ObamaCare and we will replace ObamaCare."
Democrats denounced the vote but agreed that it creates an election-year contrast.

"It certainly does indicate the stakes in the 2016 elections," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), who led Democrats in the floor debate over the measure.

Still, Democrats noted that if the repeal measure had actually become law, Republicans would have been confronted more directly with the question of how to replace ObamaCare and deal with the millions of people who would lose health coverage.
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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 1:35:00 PM   
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As I have mentioned before, they (CMP) wanted to plead the fifth and not have to give all their "info" for want of a better word. Ive posted it before on a thread.
BTW I also didn't say what happened with any footage, that is tied up in the court case going ahead right now.
I only linked to transcripts both of what was shown, and what was deleted for showing of the short clips.
Only the transcripts are what I am discussing.


See right there you admit that I am correct. Information, other than what is in the short and long videos IS NOT AVAILABLE.
You have NO evidence that the video's were deceptively edited; no evidence of footage exculpatory to Planned Parenthood.

If two studies commissioned by Planned Parenthood couldn't prove deceptive editing - neither can you. So desist with the "deceptive editing". Until evidence comes out, one way or another - its only editing.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 2/4/2016 2:08:58 PM   
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nope, you are certainly not only admitting to cockgargling, but actually demonstrating it.

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 12/2/2016 7:08:08 AM   
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ohhhhhhhhh, deceptive videos!!

sorry comrades:

"Congress Refers Planned Parenthood For Criminal Prosecution"

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With all eyes on President-elect Donald Trump's forming cabinet, you may have missed a major development in the Planned Parenthood undercover video scandal. On Thursday, the House Energy & Commerce Committee’s Select Investigative Panel decided to refer the Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast to the Texas attorney general for criminal prosecution due to its selling of aborted baby parts.

In the summer of 2015, the Center for Medical Progress unveiled its undercover investigation into Planned Parenthood's trafficking of baby organs. At one particular site, the Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast in Houston, Texas, the undercover actors found that employees were hiding their sale of fetal issue by using "accounting gimmicks."

“The evidence that Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast charged exorbitant amounts of taxpayer money in exchange for fetal specimens that it provided at nearly zero cost is overwhelming,” CMP President David Daleiden said at the time, urging Texas leaders to send a message that Houston's children are "not for sale."

They got the message - and so did Congress. After the Select Investigative Panel's investigation, they felt compelled to refer Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast for criminal prosecution.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins believes the panel has taken the first concrete step to holding Planned Parenthood accountable for its grave actions.

"The panel's recommendation that Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast be criminally prosecuted is the appropriate next step in bringing justice to bear on a group that clearly sees itself as above the law.

Next step: defunding.

"With criminal prosecution a growing possibility, the new Congress should once again use the reconciliation process to redirect taxpayer dollars away from Planned Parenthood," Perkins urged.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/12/02/congress-seeks-to-criminally-prosecute-planned-parenthood-n2253801

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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 12/2/2016 7:49:16 AM   
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Peanut butter. In other words. Random words by you do not evidence make. Provide evidence to support your assertion that the edits to the video are deceptive. Otherwise, retract your statement.

In other words provide evidence that cut scenes or footage contain exculpatory footage.

Ridiculous, you make, as all nutsuckers do, felchgobbling statements and the onus is on others to constantly disprove, according to your fuckwhistleness, which they do, and then its off on another gish gallop of asswipe from the nutsuckers.



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RE: Planned Parenthood Cleared in Texas....BUT - 12/2/2016 7:50:24 AM   
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maybe they can do this to women in texas, once they have "defunded" PP


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/us/tennessee-woman-accused-of-coat-hanger-abortion-faces-new-charges.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article

Tennessee Woman Accused of Coat-Hanger Abortion Attempt Faces New Charges
A Tennessee woman who is accused of trying to abort her fetus at 24 weeks with a coat hanger last year is facing new felony charges, in a case that has raised concerns among some abortion-rights advocates over strict abortion laws.

The case concerning the woman, Anna Yocca, 32, has wound its way through the courts in Rutherford County for nearly a year, seesawing between multiple charges in three indictments as she has continued to sit in a central Tennessee jail.

On Monday, Ms. Yocca was arraigned on new charges: aggravated assault, an attempt to procure a miscarriage and an attempted criminal abortion. She entered a plea of not guilty, The Daily News Journal reported.

Ms. Yocca’s public defender, Gerald Melton, did not respond to multiple requests for comment by email or telephone. Hugh Ammerman, the Rutherford County assistant district attorney who is prosecuting the case, could not be reached early on Tuesday.

Ms. Yocca was first charged on Dec. 8, 2015, with the attempted murder of her 24-week-old fetus in September 2015. She was booked into the Rutherford County jail, where she has remained, with bond set at $200,000. She is expected to return to court on Dec. 9, The Journal reported.

The case has pitted abortion-rights advocates against defenders of the state’s anti-abortion laws, which are among the strictest in the country.

The authorities have said that Ms. Yocca climbed into a bathtub in September 2015 and tried to “self-abort” her pregnancy, which caused her to bleed so profusely that she was taken to a hospital, The Murfreesboro Post reported, quoting a police report.

The baby, a boy, was delivered alive by cesarean section at the hospital, weighing 1.5 pounds, but he had injuries, The Murfreesboro Post reported. The police report, quoting unidentified physicians, blamed Ms. Yocca’s probing with the hanger, but it offered no medical evidence for what the indictment called bodily injury, and similar health problems are often associated with extreme prematurity.

When contacted for a copy of the report, Sergeant Kyle Evans, a spokesman for the Murfreesboro Police Department, referred calls to the district attorney’s office.

The case has drawn attention to strict abortion laws, and in some cases the criminalization of the procedure, as President-elect Donald J. Trump prepares to take office. During his presidential campaign, Mr. Trump pledged to roll back the abortion rights guaranteed by the 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, and he suggested “punishment” for abortion providers and their patients. In his first prime-time television interview after he won the presidency, he repeated his desire to see Roe v. Wade overturned and said, of women seeking abortions, “Well, they’ll perhaps have to go — they’ll have to go to another state.”

“I think that this is a very shocking case and one that is incredibly tragic,” said Allison Glass, the director of Healthy and Free Tennessee, which promotes sexual health. “This is not a common case for Tennessee, but with the threat of Roe being overturned,” she added, “that is absolutely where we are headed.”

Tennessee Right to Life representatives did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

The baby was initially placed in foster care. Last week Rob Johnson, a spokesman for the Tennessee Department of Children’s Services, said by telephone that the child was “safe” but no longer in state custody. Citing confidentiality, he declined to answer further questions.

The law in Tennessee permits abortions after 24 weeks — about the limit for fetal viability outside the womb, doctors say — if the woman’s life or health is at risk. It also requires women to receive state-directed counseling and wait 48 hours before the procedure, which necessitates multiple trips to a clinic.

Ms. Glass said that only four out of 95 counties in Tennessee had abortion clinics, and that Rutherford County was not one of them.

Lynn M. Paltrow, the executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, which is helping with Ms. Yocca’s defense, said the case was one of several high-profile instances showing what can happen when prosecutors apply criminal law to women’s pregnancies.

Last year, an Indiana woman, Purvi Patel, was sentenced to 20 years in prison after she was convicted of feticide for taking pills to terminate her pregnancy, and then delivering a baby who, the jury found, died from neglect. The conviction was vacated on appeal.

In some states pregnant women have been charged with attempted feticide for falling down stairs; for not wearing a seatbelt; and for trying to commit suicide while pregnant, Ms. Paltrow said.

In Ms. Yocca’s case, Ms. Paltrow said, “It is absolutely not clear to us that her intention was to have an abortion, as opposed to having an early birth at home, or some other reason.”

“This is the problem around the criminal justice system being involved in pregnancy outcomes,” she added. “In a country where more and more things have been criminalized, there is a virtually limitless number of crimes that prosecutors can chose from if we allow pregnancy to become the subject of criminal justice and court systems.”

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