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Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 1:50:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Its reasonable to ask how would anyone expect God to give them this 'proof'?

Seems to me a better approach when one cant wrap their minds around something is to ask themselves 'what did I miss, overlook, or fail to comprehend'?

Which brings us full circle and asks the question how or what do they need from God and what do they expect God to do exactly that will make it impossible for them not to believe?

With the Christian God specifically. During old testament Era, he used to talk directly to human beings to give them proof he exists. I mean, he clearly managed to have a conversation with one of them to sacrifice his son. And he allows them to perform miracles, and he himself perform miracles. Then he decided to stop at Jesus, leaving Jesus the last possible human being who could command his magical powers.

Like WTF? Of course nobody is gonna believe his real now! Except those who go by blind faith.

But this is so unfair! How are the older times people more priviledged than current times people. God is practicing biastism!




Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 1:52:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CodeOfSilence

Wasn't *buddhism* about going all Zen and leaving the material World alone?

Only if you want to reach enlightenment. But it's not compulsory to get there. Not everybody want to reach buddha stage. And that's okay, if we prefer to stay in this world and keep reincarnating.




DominantWrestler -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 1:55:34 AM)

Greta, I don't even know where to start. Your perceptions of Buddhism and Islam are skewed. Idk where to start. Can experts on these areas place their opinions in this discussion?




Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 1:59:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
Christian kids get better grades:

This is like super true over here. They are freaky with grades. And I've attended a Pentecostal church where everyone speaks in tongues, including 10 yr old kids. It's a very scary atmosphere where everybody is like possessed and speaking in weird gibberish, except, they are suppose to be possess by the holy spirit and not some scary evil spirit.

And the kids are all geniuses with grades.

But I also believe, people just need to believe in themselves and their own ability to get good grades. With Christians, the kids use faith in God to believe in themselves to get good grades. It's another way they can believe in themselves to be able to do it.




Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:03:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
What God does is his domain, his prerogative.
What he has done is told us what to do. "Thou shalt not murder." The Christian belief is that God is the author of life. We shall not kill what God has created.

We don't have the option of a la carte belief; we can only be faithful.

Then, if people chooses to abort, it's not any Christians place to prevent that murder, as that person will be punished in after-life. They don't have to interfere on God's behalf. Also abortion of babies is nothing like killing of another human being.

I mean, in practical sense. You could murder a good surgeon who been healing cancer, so without him around, one shortage of some useful skill to serve others that this world needs.

This world does not need every single baby born. And the world will not miss some of them, if they were gone. Let God punish the parents after death.





Real0ne -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:14:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Its reasonable to ask how would anyone expect God to give them this 'proof'?

Seems to me a better approach when one cant wrap their minds around something is to ask themselves 'what did I miss, overlook, or fail to comprehend'?

Which brings us full circle and asks the question how or what do they need from God and what do they expect God to do exactly that will make it impossible for them not to believe?

With the Christian God specifically. During old testament Era, he used to talk directly to human beings to give them proof he exists. I mean, he clearly managed to have a conversation with one of them to sacrifice his son. And he allows them to perform miracles, and he himself perform miracles. Then he decided to stop at Jesus, leaving Jesus the last possible human being who could command his magical powers.

Like WTF? Of course nobody is gonna believe his real now! Except those who go by blind faith.

But this is so unfair! How are the older times people more priviledged than current times people. God is practicing biastism!



I really do not know why people want to look at God like some kind of cosmic cop who will cuff them and throw them in detention. You do seem to recognize that people have 2 paths, rerun/ascension.

Unfortunately many people are blind and due to their blindness do accept God on faith until they have the ability to work it all out.

There is no difference between people in old times and now, just people today have their xbox's and iphones to keep their attention.





Real0ne -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:31:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

@RO

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It becomes political when you exercise it in the public realm and some one says 'hey you cant (or have to)" do this or that according to their religion when in public despite the fact the actions would cause no injury to anything but the overlord authority of the state.


When it becomes public it infringes upon the rights of nonbelievers or other-believers. When I was in grade school we were required to takes turns standing before the class in a public school and recite some crap from the Christian Bible. Thanks to Mad Marilyn Murray who had the stones to stand up against the churches and take it to the Supreme Court.

The only true national religion America has is American Exceptionalism which brings us into a continuing, needless Capitalist war that kills hundreds of thousands of people and forces as many into homelessness as refugees from their birth lands.

Oh say can you see the Republican Candidates toadying to the religionists for their votes? I hope Bernie wins and reveals he is an atheist.



What a load vince. Thats absolutely not true.



Madalyn Murray O'Hair

In 1949, Murray completed a bachelor's degree from Ashland University.[10] In 1952, she received an LL.B. degree from the then unaccredited South Texas College of Law; however, she failed the bar exam and never practiced law.[6] On November 16, 1954, she gave birth to her second son, Jon Garth Murray, fathered by her boyfriend Michael Fiorillo.[11] She and her children traveled by ship to Europe, planning on defecting to the Soviet embassy in Paris and residing in the Soviet Union, due to that nation's promotion of state atheism.[12] However, the USSR denied them entry.[6] Murray and her sons returned to Baltimore, Maryland in 1960.

She left Maryland in 1963 after allegedly assaulting five Baltimore police officers who tried to retrieve a runaway girl, Bill's girlfriend Susan (who would later be granddaughter Robin's mother).[14]

Murray filed a lawsuit against the Baltimore City Public School System in 1960 in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. In this litigation, she stated that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had resulted in bullying being directed against him by classmates and that administrators condoned it.[10]

O'Hair filed a lawsuit with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in regard to the Apollo 8 Genesis reading.[16] The case was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court for lack of jurisdiction.[17] The effects of the suit were varied: although NASA asked Buzz Aldrin to refrain from quoting the Bible in the Apollo 11 mission, he was allowed to conduct the first Communion service in space.[18][19]
infringed upon aldrins rights


Her son William J. Murray became a Christian in 1980. Learning of this, she commented: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."[22][23]

In 1988, O'Hair put out several issues under the masthead during the course of an unsuccessful attempt to take over Truth Seeker; however, the courts ruled against her ownership.[24]


You have a real gem there!
Now kids are required to recite atheist 'state' dogma.







Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:32:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
You do seem to recognize that people have 2 paths, rerun/ascension.

I know there are unlimited re-runs in Buddhism. But I never knew there was an option to re-run in Christianity. New concept. Didn't know Christianity believes in reincarnation. Which sect of Christianity is this?




CodeOfSilence -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:35:11 AM)

She's not completely wrong. Westerners have an idoalized view of Eastern religion. :P
But still .... I Think what normal people ask Buddha for in Asia don't really get his teachings.

What, alleviate suffering?

Oh yeah, you asian people have a fucked up view of Christianity btw. The Penti movement in Philiphines is huge, their gurus literally killing people by claiming they are healing cancer and what not. Supposedly doing surgery live without anasthesia in shitty magic shows that tens of thousands Watch live.

W T F.

What kinda of wretched missionaries Went over there?




Real0ne -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:38:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
You do seem to recognize that people have 2 paths, rerun/ascension.

I know there are unlimited re-runs in Buddhism. But I never knew there was an option to re-run in Christianity. New concept. Didn't know Christianity believes in reincarnation. Which sect of Christianity is this?



I intended to direct that moreso toward 'ascension' and the God domain versus the tangible rerun. Not to imply it is part of the Christian religion and there are many other religions that identify with God, not just Christianity.




crazyml -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 2:53:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a couple of what I hope are insightful aphorisms that might give some understanding to the overall discussion.

as concerns atheists: atheists cannot find god for the same reason a bank robber cannot find the police.

as concerns Christians: the greatest crime in the desert is to know where the water is, and not tell.


These are neither aphorisms, nor insightful.

The first fails because on one hand you're identifying a group of people who don't believe that god exists while on the other you've a person who is a criminal and is very well aware that the police exist and wants to avoid them because he or she will likely be arrested.

The second fails because they do not "know", they simply have faith.


a bank robber doesn't find a cop is because he's not looking and doesn't want to.

the parallel is, someone who is a non-believer doesn't find god because he's not looking or he doesn't want to.

implying that god can be found by all who earnestly seek him.

as to the second "fail"---at least two responses, one debatable, the other not so much. the first, there are many ways of "knowing" and faith is not excluded from them. not everyone buys that however, so thus the second point: Christians know the truth of their personal experience.

I posted it because people are quick to criticize Christians for being evangelical and im telling you that those who approach the faith from that perspective, see the world around them as dying from thirst.

if you (or most other readers) didn't already understand that---then what I posted sounds pretty insightful to me.


I understood the point you were attempting to make, but you've fallen into a fallacy.

The bank robber knows that the police exist. They are a real threat. You may as well recast it as "The zoologist cannot find a unicorn in the same way a bank robber cannot find the police. It's a really simple fallacy. If you, or other readers, don't understand that, then I am sure I cannot help you.

As to the second, imagine you have a neighbour who is sincerely convinced that there's a pot of gold with your name on it in his garden, every day he rocks up and urges you to come dig. Only, some time back, after this neighbour started urging you to come dig you'd taken a metal detector to the garden, out of idle curiosity, and found nothing. After a while, I'm assuming that you'd tire of the neighbour.

I find repeated evangelism really tiresome. Sure, knock on my door once, and I'll politely explain that I'm a very happy atheist. Knock a second time, and I'll politely explain that you're not welcome, knock a third time and - no, you're not "spreading the good news", you're being a fuckwad and you're harassing me now, so you shouldn't be surprised when I tell you to fuck off.







crazyml -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 4:05:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

no gods exists and all religion is malarkey

Issuing definitive pronouncements about things they cannot possibly know is the favorite pastime of fathead religionists and atheists alike. You're just another fucking priest.

K.




I don't think I've ever seen K so riled.

For the record, a christian's motivation is - I have found something that brings me great joy and I would like to share it with you.

It seems to me that an atheists motivation is not the same. It seems to me to be - "the experiences of billions of christians through out life have no validity - put away that clap trap."

No matter what your personal experience is of the christian faith - I don't see the reason to be angry for someone that earnestly wants good things for you.


First, for the record, many Atheists (and I am one of them) are very happy that their Christian friends find their truth in their faith. My Atheism in no way positions the experiences of millions of Christians as something with no validity. That's because I'm so very much more open minded than many christians. For example, I don't dismiss the beliefs of people who share other beliefs as "clap trap" either. It's a pretty core tenet of christianity, however, that all those other religions are clap trap, and that unless you accept Christ as your saviour you're not going to heaven. Which is a point of view that is... well... pretty fucking silly.

As for being angry at someone that earnestly wants good things for you, I think you miss a rather large point. I am sure that at least one the nice young people who have called me 7 time earnestly wants me to benefit from life insurance did so out of a sincere want for good things for me, but I have enough life insurance. And when I say "No thank you, I have enough life insurance" I really do expect him or her to leave me alone. A tougher example, the doctor who sincerely believes that I have the operation he recommends, at what point should he just fuck off and leave me as a conscious, sane, adult to make my choice, for my life?

If I accept your right to believe in God without badgering you, in spite of my sincere belief that your life would be better if you shed yourself of that belief, I am entitled to the same courtesy in return.

Yes, "militant" Atheists are as fucked up as "militant evangelicals". In DaddySatyr's case where he got into a bun fight because someone objected to his praying silently (whether I believe it's true or not) the complainers (real or imagined) were assholes. Who the fuck were they to get in his face?

I dine regularly with a group of friends who were part of my university's Christian union (of which I was a member, even though I was an Atheist). Typically between 5 and 7 get together, and before the meal starts, we clasp hands and a prayer is said. No, I don't refuse to clasp hands, but yes, I do refuse to say words to a deity in which I don't believe - instead I reflect on what has brought us to the table, and feel thankful for the friendship. Hilariously, one of the group - a very committed Christian - does make quite a show of refusing to clasp hands... She believes her relationship with God is personal.

I don't feel angry at someone that earnestly wants good things for me. But if they are insensitive enough to allow their expression of those earnest wants to become harassment, then the harassment will certainly irritate. So someone saying "I'll say a prayer for you" certainly makes my day on the other hand, someone saying, over and over, "Come pray with me... you will go to hell if you don't" will likely end up with me having to tell them to fuck off.

Do you see the distinction?

[Ed for numerous phone induced typos]




crazyml -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 4:15:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

@RO

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It becomes political when you exercise it in the public realm and some one says 'hey you cant (or have to)" do this or that according to their religion when in public despite the fact the actions would cause no injury to anything but the overlord authority of the state.


When it becomes public it infringes upon the rights of nonbelievers or other-believers. When I was in grade school we were required to takes turns standing before the class in a public school and recite some crap from the Christian Bible. Thanks to Mad Marilyn Murray who had the stones to stand up against the churches and take it to the Supreme Court.

The only true national religion America has is American Exceptionalism which brings us into a continuing, needless Capitalist war that kills hundreds of thousands of people and forces as many into homelessness as refugees from their birth lands.

Oh say can you see the Republican Candidates toadying to the religionists for their votes? I hope Bernie wins and reveals he is an atheist.



What a load vince. Thats absolutely not true.



Madalyn Murray O'Hair

In 1949, Murray completed a bachelor's degree from Ashland University.[10] In 1952, she received an LL.B. degree from the then unaccredited South Texas College of Law; however, she failed the bar exam and never practiced law.[6] On November 16, 1954, she gave birth to her second son, Jon Garth Murray, fathered by her boyfriend Michael Fiorillo.[11] She and her children traveled by ship to Europe, planning on defecting to the Soviet embassy in Paris and residing in the Soviet Union, due to that nation's promotion of state atheism.[12] However, the USSR denied them entry.[6] Murray and her sons returned to Baltimore, Maryland in 1960.

She left Maryland in 1963 after allegedly assaulting five Baltimore police officers who tried to retrieve a runaway girl, Bill's girlfriend Susan (who would later be granddaughter Robin's mother).[14]

Murray filed a lawsuit against the Baltimore City Public School System in 1960 in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. In this litigation, she stated that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had resulted in bullying being directed against him by classmates and that administrators condoned it.[10]

O'Hair filed a lawsuit with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in regard to the Apollo 8 Genesis reading.[16] The case was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court for lack of jurisdiction.[17] The effects of the suit were varied: although NASA asked Buzz Aldrin to refrain from quoting the Bible in the Apollo 11 mission, he was allowed to conduct the first Communion service in space.[18][19]
infringed upon aldrins rights


Her son William J. Murray became a Christian in 1980. Learning of this, she commented: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."[22][23]

In 1988, O'Hair put out several issues under the masthead during the course of an unsuccessful attempt to take over Truth Seeker; however, the courts ruled against her ownership.[24]


You have a real gem there!
Now kids are required to recite atheist 'state' dogma.





Well done! You've found an Atheist whackjob. Gosh... who'd a thunk it. I shan't bother you with a list of Christian Whackjobs, but I am sure even a drooling bufoon like you would acknowledge that I could come up with a list for you if I could be bothered.

One of the cites interests me... The suit in relation to the state condoned bullying of the child who refused to participate in bible study. I'm curious... you're not suggesting that it should be ok for the state to condone the bullying of someone who believes something differently are you?




Real0ne -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 11:05:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

@RO

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It becomes political when you exercise it in the public realm and some one says 'hey you cant (or have to)" do this or that according to their religion when in public despite the fact the actions would cause no injury to anything but the overlord authority of the state.


When it becomes public it infringes upon the rights of nonbelievers or other-believers. When I was in grade school we were required to takes turns standing before the class in a public school and recite some crap from the Christian Bible. Thanks to Mad Marilyn Murray who had the stones to stand up against the churches and take it to the Supreme Court.

The only true national religion America has is American Exceptionalism which brings us into a continuing, needless Capitalist war that kills hundreds of thousands of people and forces as many into homelessness as refugees from their birth lands.

Oh say can you see the Republican Candidates toadying to the religionists for their votes? I hope Bernie wins and reveals he is an atheist.



What a load vince. Thats absolutely not true.



Madalyn Murray O'Hair

In 1949, Murray completed a bachelor's degree from Ashland University.[10] In 1952, she received an LL.B. degree from the then unaccredited South Texas College of Law; however, she failed the bar exam and never practiced law.[6] On November 16, 1954, she gave birth to her second son, Jon Garth Murray, fathered by her boyfriend Michael Fiorillo.[11] She and her children traveled by ship to Europe, planning on defecting to the Soviet embassy in Paris and residing in the Soviet Union, due to that nation's promotion of state atheism.[12] However, the USSR denied them entry.[6] Murray and her sons returned to Baltimore, Maryland in 1960.

She left Maryland in 1963 after allegedly assaulting five Baltimore police officers who tried to retrieve a runaway girl, Bill's girlfriend Susan (who would later be granddaughter Robin's mother).[14]

Murray filed a lawsuit against the Baltimore City Public School System in 1960 in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. In this litigation, she stated that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had resulted in bullying being directed against him by classmates and that administrators condoned it.[10]

O'Hair filed a lawsuit with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in regard to the Apollo 8 Genesis reading.[16] The case was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court for lack of jurisdiction.[17] The effects of the suit were varied: although NASA asked Buzz Aldrin to refrain from quoting the Bible in the Apollo 11 mission, he was allowed to conduct the first Communion service in space.[18][19]
infringed upon aldrins rights


Her son William J. Murray became a Christian in 1980. Learning of this, she commented: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."[22][23]

In 1988, O'Hair put out several issues under the masthead during the course of an unsuccessful attempt to take over Truth Seeker; however, the courts ruled against her ownership.[24]


You have a real gem there!
Now kids are required to recite atheist 'state' dogma.





Well done! You've found an Atheist whackjob. Gosh... who'd a thunk it. I shan't bother you with a list of Christian Whackjobs, but I am sure even a drooling bufoon like you would acknowledge that I could come up with a list for you if I could be bothered.

One of the cites interests me... The suit in relation to the state condoned bullying of the child who refused to participate in bible study. I'm curious... you're not suggesting that it should be ok for the state to condone the bullying of someone who believes something differently are you?



Thanks for giving me credit for finding what you consider to be an atheist whackjob but the credit goes to vincent. I would not classify anyone who run and won a case in the supreme court a whackjob in the sense I expect you mean it.

Yes in that case the state supported the atheists.

I can ask you the same question. Do you believe that its ok for the state to bully the various religions by the various methods they presently use to do so starting with atheist based legislation?







crazyml -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 12:50:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

@RO

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It becomes political when you exercise it in the public realm and some one says 'hey you cant (or have to)" do this or that according to their religion when in public despite the fact the actions would cause no injury to anything but the overlord authority of the state.


When it becomes public it infringes upon the rights of nonbelievers or other-believers. When I was in grade school we were required to takes turns standing before the class in a public school and recite some crap from the Christian Bible. Thanks to Mad Marilyn Murray who had the stones to stand up against the churches and take it to the Supreme Court.

The only true national religion America has is American Exceptionalism which brings us into a continuing, needless Capitalist war that kills hundreds of thousands of people and forces as many into homelessness as refugees from their birth lands.

Oh say can you see the Republican Candidates toadying to the religionists for their votes? I hope Bernie wins and reveals he is an atheist.



What a load vince. Thats absolutely not true.



Madalyn Murray O'Hair

In 1949, Murray completed a bachelor's degree from Ashland University.[10] In 1952, she received an LL.B. degree from the then unaccredited South Texas College of Law; however, she failed the bar exam and never practiced law.[6] On November 16, 1954, she gave birth to her second son, Jon Garth Murray, fathered by her boyfriend Michael Fiorillo.[11] She and her children traveled by ship to Europe, planning on defecting to the Soviet embassy in Paris and residing in the Soviet Union, due to that nation's promotion of state atheism.[12] However, the USSR denied them entry.[6] Murray and her sons returned to Baltimore, Maryland in 1960.

She left Maryland in 1963 after allegedly assaulting five Baltimore police officers who tried to retrieve a runaway girl, Bill's girlfriend Susan (who would later be granddaughter Robin's mother).[14]

Murray filed a lawsuit against the Baltimore City Public School System in 1960 in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. In this litigation, she stated that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had resulted in bullying being directed against him by classmates and that administrators condoned it.[10]

O'Hair filed a lawsuit with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in regard to the Apollo 8 Genesis reading.[16] The case was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court for lack of jurisdiction.[17] The effects of the suit were varied: although NASA asked Buzz Aldrin to refrain from quoting the Bible in the Apollo 11 mission, he was allowed to conduct the first Communion service in space.[18][19]
infringed upon aldrins rights


Her son William J. Murray became a Christian in 1980. Learning of this, she commented: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."[22][23]

In 1988, O'Hair put out several issues under the masthead during the course of an unsuccessful attempt to take over Truth Seeker; however, the courts ruled against her ownership.[24]


You have a real gem there!
Now kids are required to recite atheist 'state' dogma.





Well done! You've found an Atheist whackjob. Gosh... who'd a thunk it. I shan't bother you with a list of Christian Whackjobs, but I am sure even a drooling bufoon like you would acknowledge that I could come up with a list for you if I could be bothered.

One of the cites interests me... The suit in relation to the state condoned bullying of the child who refused to participate in bible study. I'm curious... you're not suggesting that it should be ok for the state to condone the bullying of someone who believes something differently are you?



Thanks for giving me credit for finding what you consider to be an atheist whackjob but the credit goes to vincent. I would not classify anyone who run and won a case in the supreme court a whackjob in the sense I expect you mean it.

Yes in that case the state supported the atheists.

I can ask you the same question. Do you believe that its ok for the state to bully the various religions by the various methods they presently use to do so starting with atheist based legislation?







Now you're babbling and drooling again.

This "atheist based legislation" is imaginary.

You have cited a couple of cases where religious people broke the law of the land and sought to gain special status because of their religion.

Could you please list these dreadful ",atheist" laws you despise so much...

I am assuming that laws that make dicrimination illegal will be at the top of the list... but which others?

And could you clarify which religions and which religious beliefs should have special status in your little theocracy?

I am particularly thinking of the small minority of fundamentalist Christians who believe in the OT laws.

Oh... and by the way... you know it's the supreme Court (made up of Christians ) thst ruled that religious belief does not trump the law.





Real0ne -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 3:05:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Now you're babbling and drooling again.

This "atheist based legislation" is imaginary.

You have cited a couple of cases where religious people broke the law of the land and sought to gain special status because of their religion.

Could you please list these dreadful ",atheist" laws you despise so much...

I am assuming that laws that make dicrimination illegal will be at the top of the list... but which others?

And could you clarify which religions and which religious beliefs should have special status in your little theocracy?

I am particularly thinking of the small minority of fundamentalist Christians who believe in the OT laws.

Oh... and by the way... you know it's the supreme Court (made up of Christians ) thst ruled that religious belief does not trump the law.




"babbling and drooling"? adhomens
"This "atheist based legislation" is imaginary."
and naked assertions
"in your little theocracy"
and ill gotten mischaracterizations the best you can offer us for an argument?
Care to explain why you think its imaginary?
and why you would label it my theocracy when I said or implied nothing of the sort?

The atheists already have a special little theocracy going through gubblemint.



"religious belief does not trump the law"

Really? where does the supreme court give the authority to the gubblemint to violate the constitution? really?

"I am assuming that laws that make dicrimination illegal will be at the top of the list"

Yeh they are really obvious since the gubblemint enforces atheist religious theories while trampling God based religions.








ifmaz -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 6:55:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
"babbling and drooling"? adhomens
"This "atheist based legislation" is imaginary."
and naked assertions
"in your little theocracy"
and ill gotten mischaracterizations the best you can offer us for an argument?
Care to explain why you think its imaginary?
and why you would label it my theocracy when I said or implied nothing of the sort?

The atheists already have a special little theocracy going through gubblemint.



"religious belief does not trump the law"

Really? where does the supreme court give the authority to the gubblemint to violate the constitution? really?

"I am assuming that laws that make dicrimination illegal will be at the top of the list"

Yeh they are really obvious since the gubblemint enforces atheist religious theories while trampling God based religions.




I think you're confusing "not getting my (religious) way" with "someone is out to get me because of my beliefs".




Kirata -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 7:31:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

I think you're confusing "not getting my (religious) way" with "someone is out to get me because of my beliefs".

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crazyml -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 10:03:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne



"babbling and drooling"? adhomens
"This "atheist based legislation" is imaginary."
and naked assertions
"in your little theocracy"
and ill gotten mischaracterizations the best you can offer us for an argument?
Care to explain why you think its imaginary?
and why you would label it my theocracy when I said or implied nothing of the sort?

The atheists already have a special little theocracy going through gubblemint.



"religious belief does not trump the law"

Really? where does the supreme court give the authority to the gubblemint to violate the constitution? really?

"I am assuming that laws that make dicrimination illegal will be at the top of the list"

Yeh they are really obvious since the gubblemint enforces atheist religious theories while trampling God based religions.







It's not an adhominem if its an observation of fact. You can't use "ad hominem" to sidestep the fact that you're a drooling halfwit.

When I asserted that the "atheist legislation" you refer to is imaginary, it was because the legislation you have so far referred to is in no way "atheist". You have not proved that it is, you have simply asserted the same babbling nonsense over and over. I asked you to provide examples of "atheist legislation" if you could. You have not done so. Because.... it's imaginary, isn't it!

You plainly want a theocracy, you want gods law (however that's interpreted) to trump the laws that are created through the democratic process. That, by the way, is pretty much what "theocracy" is. Drool on that.

You assert that the atheists have a special little theocracy going though government, and yet can provide no evidence for this assertion at all. More drool?

Oh dear, you really don't know that the supreme court has been actively protecting the people of the USA against theocracy since the 19th century? If you weren't a drooling halfwit, you might have checked this out before you began to make your specious arguments.

Start with Reynolds v. United States (1879). But there's quite a lot more. Get a grown up to show you <finger quotes>The Google</finger quotes>

Right, so you're unwilling to answer the question about which laws are "atheist laws", but you admit that you believe that anti discrimination laws are wrong. Well, that's a beginning. But I think that only a fuckwad would make that case. But let's have a bun fight over the right to refuse to serve black people on religious grounds. I'm quite sure there'll be people out there who can claim a sincere religious justification for that.

Let's face it there are religious justifications for...

Slavery (shall we repeal emancipation?)

Stoning of gay people (shall we provide a special "religious conviction" defense to murder?)

Please provide some examples of these atheist laws, so that we can explain them to you. If you can't provide examples then your whole argument is specious.

Oh and... I'm still just aching to hear how you feel about non-christian religions and their right to ignore laws. Are there any religions or Christian denominations that you would exclude from your "there's no need to obey a law if it contradicts your religion" campaign?







Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/7/2016 10:13:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler
Greta, I don't even know where to start. Your perceptions of Buddhism

I live in 70% Buddhist country. My whole family, relatives, are all Buddhist. I still got all the compulsory mumbo jumbo buddha temple visits that I gotta do till this day on special occasions. I go through it all eyes rolling all the way as I don't believe in any religion, but doesn't change the fact that, this is what buddhism is, and still, I really find it amusing and cute! And Buddha is the nicest deity out there! Who doesn't get angry at anything. So if I have to choose an after-life buddy to hang out with. Buddha is the one who I like the most. Like he would be fun and chill all the time, and I would say, he would totally accept you unconditionally. Jesus and Muhammad, Christian God, Allah, are not my ideal friends, both of them are judgmental folks who are gonna send me to hell. At least with Buddhism, everybody goes to hell, reincarnate until they reach enlightment. So they have unlimited chances over and over again. And hell is so precisely specified too. At least they tell you detailedly what your hellish punishment will be for each specific crime you commited.

I think Christian description of hell is so vague, plus assuming Satan lives in hell right now, and can roam freely on earth and create mischief to go against God, tells me, living in hell gives you shitloads of freedom!

This is what is practiced here and what Buddhist people believe in.
My perception of Buddhism can't be screwed since I am living and breathing it.
Yesterday I met a Thai dude here on holiday, and I asked him about Thai Buddhism and was surprise to learn it's exactly like Chinese Buddhism. Their Buddha is their magical genie for material things too. So it's not just us. He said Thai people loves to go temple and pray to Buddha to ask for lucky numbers to buy lottery. Which is exactly what chinese buddhist here do all the time! Exactly the same thing! And unlike Christianity, where that would not be very Christian to ask that of Jesus. But in Buddhism. Buddha is totally chill with these sorts of requests. No wrongful behaviour, crimes, or sins committed.

I also have contact with Muslim people everyday, my old job of 11 years are majority Muslims working in it. I was practically put with a Muslim family for day care after school everyday, a muslim girl my age when I was little, like between 7 to 12 was my best friend. As she was the daughter of that family and my school mate. And that family picks me up for school, takes me to their home and only when my parents come back from work, do I get to go back. I saw their practices. Lived it, breathe it. Didn't like the way my muslim girlfriend was treated by her parents. Everytime she supposingly got into contact with non-halal things, they scrub her from head to toe in holy muslim sand, until her whole body is all bleeding, and abrasions, it's not a pretty sight, which to me, explains why they force her to wear the whole hijab all the time, to cover those wounds. But it's a religious thing.

It's real for me, everything I say, because I live and breathe it everyday. And I spend whole weekends in Malaysia at least twice a month, different parts of it each time. My driver over there is a Muslim who always wear traditional Muslim garments. Does not dress modern or western. So I hang out in a Muslim country twice a month. I also live in a country, where Muslims are allowed their Sharia laws. I mean, Muslims are legally allowed to take 4 wives in my country. So..., you know...., our Muslims are living the Muslim way.

In the west, Muslims are forbidden to practice their sharia law or have 4 wives. Clearly western culture disagree with their policies, but yet still want to claim, they love Muslims. At least my position is consistent with my beliefs. I don't support any body who oppress women.

Here is a non-muslim situation. Julien blanc, a pick up artist, who advocate violence and emotional abuse towards women to get laid with them, got banned from my country. It was ordinary citizens that brought him up to our government's attention, learning that he has plan to hold one of his sessions here, and our government who learnt about him was shock about his teachings, and then, decided to ban him, with no hesitation.

And currently, my country is gonna ban all the extremist foreign Muslim religious preachers from our country too, that preach hate against women and teaches jihadist philosophy. So they said that, even if they preach in their own countries, but just want to visit here, they will be denied entry! I love my government. I was sooo happy when I heard that news! Good job on them! Those assholes aren't welcome here!





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