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altoonamaster -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 6:58:47 AM)
and on line preachers getting rich telling people god needs their money

Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 7:51:55 AM)
I have not one problem if a person doesn't believe in God. I have no problem with people praying in public no matter what religion. I just went out to eat with my parents and we prayed quietly at the table, it's just what we do before a meal. Now if someone makes a deal about it, saying its offense, now that will be a big problem. When I go out to eat and a baby is crying does it get on my nerves? Yep. But I understand, and I'm not going to make a big deal of it. "Oh that baby is ruining my time!" Please. If I'm acting like that ..... Time for a chill pill.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 8:16:57 AM)
@realone article regarding Religion, Science and the Attack of the Angry Atheists As max tegmart says if I've learned anything as a physicist, it's how little we know with certainty. I, a loon by cat-numbers proxy, utilize that argument sometimes. usually in the format there are no absolutes, and you can take it to the realms of absurdity. I think a long time ago when I was posting on science boards I changed my words to we think our best theory and so on. I didn’t under the pie chart – Is There A Conflict between Faith And Origins Science? He states no for Catholics. Perhaps a magical pixie hammered on huffing ether gave him his information. Many Catholics do have issues with the Big Bang cosmology, and no doubt many other religions/non religious people. Backed up with the articles Although 46% of Americans believe that humans were created less than 10,000 years ago according to a Gallup poll, our survey showed that merely 11% of Americans belong to a religion openly rejecting evolution or Big Bang cosmology, so the mainstream religions representing the majority can be a powerful ally against the anti-scientific fundamentalists. @Cinnamongirl67 tolerance a curious word is that. and The USA is a Christian nation technically it was a spiritual nation for many millennia save the last 500 years or whenever Columbus ( I can never actually remember the date) is credited with it, and hoards of Europeans arrived - that's the reason I cite columbo and not the Norse, indigenous population - or that land bridge nonsense.

Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 10:01:08 AM)
I am American and yes it is A spiritual nation too. I happen to be mainly of European descent but also American Indian in the mix. I really don't need a lecture from someone who doesn't live here, and lives the actual life. Tolerance and acceptance of our differences, does this wording please you more? Building a bridge is not nonsense. Have a muffin and chillax. (Ps I can't understand half of what you say anyway about cake Chardonnay etc.) I find that nonsense. Blows kisses...... I will leave my opinion to myself now.

Phydeaux -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 2:05:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr It's hardly a matter of atheists knocking on my door. It's the God-haters (that self-identify as "Atheist") that complain to the owner of a restaurant where I *dared* to pray (silently) over my food because, apparently, my blessing myself made them "uncomfortable". It's the same type of person (God-hater) that runs around, saying that our government cannot support any religion that causes Georgetown University to cover the IHS behind the podium when dumbo ears goes there to speak but allows over one-hundred references to "allah" in the backdrop, when that same failure-in-chief speaks at a mosque. It's the asshole God-haters that claim that religious tenets of my faith should be kept to myself while they run around, puking ignorant bullshit about a "spaghetti monster" or an "invisible sky wizard". What's the issue here? Well, "God bless you" was never intended to offend anyone by mocking their beliefs. I'll let you figure out the rest. There is no doubt in my mind that there are atheists that truly just don't believe in a higher power. They go on about their business. They may even shake their head (in their own mind) at any reference to God, but, for the most part, they are non-intrusive into the lives of others. The same can't be said of the God-haters that cloak themselves in the bullshit title of "Atheists". That kind of "Atheist" is to true Atheism what ISIS is to Islam. Michael In Florida, there are displays in the capitol - every christmas, christians put up a christmas dispaly. Every year the satanists and atheists put up displays mocking the christians. I can understand the Satanists - they're on the opposite side - they want to attack christian beliefs - I get it. But why, exactly, do atheists wish to "attack" christian beliefs. Out of the 52 weeks in a year they dont' choose to make a display at other times - they do so only to protest christian belief. This says to me that they are not interested in promoting their own belief system so much as they are interested in tearing others down.

DominantWrestler -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 4:58:30 PM)
Does it include a tree with hangings and gifts from a man in red and white with a pointed cap? Because that's not Christianity, it's part of the perversion of western faith brought about by the power hungry church. Considering Christianity pulled traditions from so many faiths and then persecuted people who practiced the old faiths while still persecuting others to this day, maybe the hostility should be anticipated

Phydeaux -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 5:07:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler Does it include a tree with hangings and gifts from a man in red and white with a pointed cap? Because that's not Christianity, it's part of the perversion of western faith brought about by the power hungry church 1. Says you. 2. Even if true, so what? 3. Chestnuts over a roasting fire, christmas trees, yule logs - whatever your point - its been part of the christmas tradition long enough. The atheists don't mock fat men with beards - they put up flying spaghetti monster displays at christmas time - saying don't believe in the invisible monster in the sky. It truly seems as if atheists cannot be happy so long as other people believe. 4. I would say Commercialism and capitalism are more to blame for the commercialization of christmas. 5. You do know there was a St. Nicholas, right? 6. See point 3 again. You want to proclaim atheism - go for it. Pick a day - celebrate to your hearts content. Just don't attack someone else's belief on a day important to them.

DominantWrestler -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 5:31:48 PM)
I'm not atheist. Why do you think of Saint Nick wearing red and white with a pointed hat? I hadn't even brought up commercializing Christmas. But these Christians protest outside planned parenthood forcing their beliefs on people

ifmaz -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 6:42:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux In Florida, there are displays in the capitol - every christmas, christians put up a christmas dispaly. Every year the satanists and atheists put up displays mocking the christians. I can understand the Satanists - they're on the opposite side - they want to attack christian beliefs - I get it. But why, exactly, do atheists wish to "attack" christian beliefs. Out of the 52 weeks in a year they dont' choose to make a display at other times - they do so only to protest christian belief. This says to me that they are not interested in promoting their own belief system so much as they are interested in tearing others down. The Satanic Temple is making sure that every religion is welcome to have a display on state-owned property. By making a "controversial" Baphomet display and demanding it be shown side by side with the religious displays they're hoping the state says 'no', in which case they can have a First Amendment suit. Occasionally states like Oklahoma will instead disallow all religious displays, which is also a 'win' for the Satanic Temple. You realize the Satanic Temple has very little to do with Satanism, right? quote: ORIGINAL: http://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/ The mission of The Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense and justice, and be directed by the human conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by the individual will. Civic-minded, The Satanic Temple has been involved in a number of good works including taking a stand against the controversial and extremist Westboro Baptist Church, working on behalf of children in public school who have been subject to corporal punishment and more. It's interesting that you feel 'attacked' by the Satanic Temple. I wonder if other religious people feel 'attacked' by having another 'religion' have a display side-by-side to their own. I also wonder if one would be able to see the irony of the situation.

satanscharmer -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 7:00:06 PM)
FR~ It seems to me, those that cry out against atheists are the same people the atheists are crying out against. The difference of Gala apples and Fuji apples: not a whole lot. Not all of us are Gala or Fuji.

Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/4/2016 11:24:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67 I have no problem with people praying in public no matter what religion. Christian praying is non intrusive. But Muslim praying. They could come in crowds of hundreds, lay mats on the floor and block public walkway, and do their go down on all fours, and bang their head on the floor prayers. That is a problem! If Christians all start kneeling on the floor, and praying in public and blocking my walkway. I will start having issues with them too. But so far, I have not encountered that. Local Muslims here are more considerate and know to do their prayers in private without obstructing public areas. But it's the foreign Muslims, GAWD! They just pray anywhere and everywhere! Sometimes instead of walking around them, I feel like practising some parkour and jumping over them.

thishereboi -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 3:03:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr There is no doubt in my mind that there are atheists that truly just don't believe in a higher power. They go on about their business. They may even shake their head (in their own mind) at any reference to God, but, for the most part, they are non-intrusive into the lives of others. The same can't be said of the God-haters that cloak themselves in the bullshit title of "Atheists". That kind of "Atheist" is to true Atheism what ISIS is to Islam. Michael[/color] There's no doubt in my mind that you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what atheism is, you may want to look it up before you make stupid statements like above. How can somebody hate something that doesn't exist? I don't hate the Tooth Fairy, I don't even hate Religiots, but stupidity makes me laugh a lot, thanks once again for making me laugh. Btw if you claim to pray silently, how would people know that you pray? Do they read your mind? Best wear the tinfoil hat then That's a whole lot of anger from someone who is trying to claim she isn't hating on anyone.

thishereboi -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 3:16:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr It's hardly a matter of atheists knocking on my door. It's the God-haters (that self-identify as "Atheist") that complain to the owner of a restaurant where I *dared* to pray (silently) over my food because, apparently, my blessing myself made them "uncomfortable". It's the same type of person (God-hater) that runs around, saying that our government cannot support any religion that causes Georgetown University to cover the IHS behind the podium when dumbo ears goes there to speak but allows over one-hundred references to "allah" in the backdrop, when that same failure-in-chief speaks at a mosque. It's the asshole God-haters that claim that religious tenets of my faith should be kept to myself while they run around, puking ignorant bullshit about a "spaghetti monster" or an "invisible sky wizard". What's the issue here? Well, "God bless you" was never intended to offend anyone by mocking their beliefs. I'll let you figure out the rest. There is no doubt in my mind that there are atheists that truly just don't believe in a higher power. They go on about their business. They may even shake their head (in their own mind) at any reference to God, but, for the most part, they are non-intrusive into the lives of others. The same can't be said of the God-haters that cloak themselves in the bullshit title of "Atheists". That kind of "Atheist" is to true Atheism what ISIS is to Islam. Michael In Florida, there are displays in the capitol - every christmas, christians put up a christmas dispaly. Every year the satanists and atheists put up displays mocking the christians. I can understand the Satanists - they're on the opposite side - they want to attack christian beliefs - I get it. But why, exactly, do atheists wish to "attack" christian beliefs. Out of the 52 weeks in a year they dont' choose to make a display at other times - they do so only to protest christian belief. This says to me that they are not interested in promoting their own belief system so much as they are interested in tearing others down. from what i have read on the subject, Satanists are athiests. They don't call themselves that because they believe in Satan, they do it to piss off the christians. And they get really angry when they try to spread the light of their knowledge and get ignored. After all they are so uber intelligent and the religious folk so slow and stupid, how can they not listen. And if they seem a bit overzealous in their attempt to bring the truth to so many, can you blame them. It must be rough to live around so many ignorant folk and know deep in your heart that it isn't likely to go away any time soon. Poor little things [8D]

crazyml -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 3:45:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek I think that when people focus on the religion (or lack thereof) part and ignore the loony part we're in danger of associating people with loonies even though they're very different in their overall outlook on the world. I'll second that. K. Yup. I'll take this for a buck as well.

Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 3:51:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi from what i have read on the subject, Satanists are athiests. They don't call themselves that because they believe in Satan, they do it to piss off the christians. And they get really angry when they try to spread the light of their knowledge and get ignored. After all they are so uber intelligent and the religious folk so slow and stupid, how can they not listen. And if they seem a bit overzealous in their attempt to bring the truth to so many, can you blame them. It must be rough to live around so many ignorant folk and know deep in your heart that it isn't likely to go away any time soon. Poor little things [8D] Satanists believe in God, but they just don't believe God is the actual good guy to follow in the bible. They believe in Satan instead and Satan's goal and philosophy. It's like for example, Satanism definitely believes in revenge, and don't subscribe to turn the other cheek of Jesus teachings. Satanism is all about one-ness, yourself, worship yourself and putting yourself above everybody else and definitely putting yourself above God. I've never known any Satanist to not believe in God, so I don't consider them Atheist. Satan is just an fallen angel in Christianity, and those who are in his camp, definitely believe in the Biblical God. To be an Atheist, you need to truly believe all kinds of God does not exist. You cannot believe in any creator of any kind. If you do, but you don't believe in any religions, then you are just an agnostic. Which is kinda different from Atheism. I totally get what DaddySatyr is saying about God-haters are fake Atheists. And these group of militant Atheists to me, are more like God-haters than actual Atheists. I think they believe in the existence of God, but they just don't like the Christian God, so they practice hate towards the Christian community. And I am pretty sure their beef is always exclusively with Christians because of their hatred of the Christian God. They never attack Islam ever, these group of Militant Atheist, would defend Islam, because they see Islam as Christian's enemy, so the enemy of their enemy is their friend. And on top of that, they love to make assumption that any critic of Islam is definitely a Christian. And it also puzzles the excessive anger towards any religious person coming to you and telling you fairy tales about their religion. I get Christians at my door with invitation to their church delivering free chocolates. It's like, yea whatever. And as I always say, if they tell me I am going into their imaginary hell, it's also like, okay..., I'm cool with that. I prefer Satan anyway. Anything else? I don't want to go to Christian heaven. So in my bid to end up in hell, I should definitely not believe in God! Besides I always tell these folks that, their God is kinda evil, because there are many people living in parts of the world, where they were brought up from babies and taught that Christian God is fake. So I guess all those people are going to hell too. That is not a cool dude I wanna hang out with for sure! He seem very mean!

Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 4:10:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67 I have no problem with people praying in public no matter what religion. Christian praying is non intrusive. But Muslim praying. They could come in crowds of hundreds, lay mats on the floor and block public walkway, and do their go down on all fours, and bang their head on the floor prayers. That is a problem! If Christians all start kneeling on the floor, and praying in public and blocking my walkway. I will start having issues with them too. But so far, I have not encountered that. Local Muslims here are more considerate and know to do their prayers in private without obstructing public areas. But it's the foreign Muslims, GAWD! They just pray anywhere and everywhere! Sometimes instead of walking around them, I feel like practising some parkour and jumping over them. Ha! Greta girl you are so cute! I assure you we just bowed our heads. We did not lay on the floor, we did not roll down the walkway, and we did not drop to our knees, making people wait on us. I give you permission if I do that, and you run into me, you can kick me in the butt, okay?[:D]

DominantWrestler -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 4:12:09 AM)
I just don't know what to say Greta. Praying in public pisses you off but going door to door does not?

Greta75 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 4:24:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler I just don't know what to say Greta. Praying in public pisses you off but going door to door does not? Yea, they will piss me off if they came to my door and pray at my door. That would piss me off too, as they will be blocking my way, when I want to walk out of my house. See the clear differences? Knocking the door to give me a flyer or chocolates. They aren't the only one doing door to door. We have plenty of door to door sales men knocking too. We have many charity organizations who are non-religious knocking door to door asking for donations as well. Alot of community door to door activities to raise awareness about many issues too like breast cancer or encouraging you to go for a cervix swap, etc etc, they also just knock, and share with you a little bit and pass you a flyer and move on. All non religious. This isn't exclusively Christian shit. But that prayer shit is exclusively Muslim shit.

bounty44 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 4:59:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWrestler But these Christians protest outside planned parenthood forcing their beliefs on people not that I expect for a moment that you can successfully answer this but the question still needs to be asked. exactly how are Christians protesting outside a planned parenthood "forcing" their beliefs on people?

bounty44 -> RE: Freedom From Atheism! (2/5/2016 5:07:00 AM)
a couple of what I hope are insightful aphorisms that might give some understanding to the overall discussion. as concerns atheists: atheists cannot find god for the same reason a bank robber cannot find the police. as concerns Christians: the greatest crime in the desert is to know where the water is, and not tell.

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