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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 11:42:56 AM

Moloch

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Ok, lets do that in the USA, everytime someone gets in trouble with the law we bulldoze their house with all the inhabitants inside...

Do you have your reading glasses on? "Trouble" So If I pop someones kid in the head with a 7.62X54, I should get a friggin parking ticket?
Have you seen the Israeli bulldosers? They are covered in armor plates and bullet proof glass, and are riddled with scorch marks and bullet holes, "innocent families" dont shoot at people or throw molotov cocktails.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 11:47:34 AM

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Palestenians and or arabs do get treated like dog shit by Israelis, but hey guess what?! They have been doing that waaay before Roman Empire made them thier province. Palestenie was a city-state at one point, but they are not a country or a people.

Its that little brown spot smaller then Jersey state
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/middle_east_pol_2003.jpg

Do you have to be the size of the American Empire to have rights?

No size doesnt matter, I never said Palestenians shouldnt have rights.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 11:48:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Moloch

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Ok, lets do that in the USA, everytime someone gets in trouble with the law we bulldoze their house with all the inhabitants inside...

Do you have your reading glasses on? "Trouble" So If I pop someones kid in the head with a 7.62X54, I should get a friggin parking ticket?
Have you seen the Israeli bulldosers? They are covered in armor plates and bullet proof glass, and are riddled with scorch marks and bullet holes, "innocent families" dont shoot at people or throw molotov cocktails.

Justice is justice

Punishing women and children for the acts of others causes hatred and resentment and to many minds across the world that is not justice. If someone killed your child for throwing a rock, or bulldozed your wife because she was visiting her family, you would hate them. Without justice there can be no peace. Look at what our government did to those kids in Waco, that was equally wrong.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:10:26 PM

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I don't have a dog in that fight so I really don't care.
Bush should keep us un-involved.
We need to cut off the $money spiggots to all those countries anyway. Why are we giving Egypt $2 B per year in "Military Assistance?"
Wait a minute! Didn't Bill Clinton "make peace" in the Middle East and in N. Ireland too???
I remember that signing ceremony!
Man, that guy was all sizzle and no steak!

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:14:22 PM

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Because if it wasnt for the 2B$ the IslamoFascist take over, we are essentialy paying welfare to Egyption Dictator err President.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:21:35 PM

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You're giving three times more to Israel.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:26:51 PM

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Its more then that, we are selling them mil hardware really cheap.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:38:14 PM

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Let's look at where the Islamofascists come from. My friend's father was a Christian Palastinian from Hiafa. He and his wife and two eldest children (my friend wasn't born then) were ordered out of their house in 1948 at gun point and told if they return, the only place they would be going is to their own funeral. Luckily he had contacts and ended up in Canada and became a citizen and was rather successful. In Hiafa there is a plaque that commemorates the liberation of Hiafa despite it being then an almost 100% Palastinian town. A few years ago when he was 76 and dying of cancer he went back to Hiafa and knocked on the door of his old house and asked the occupiers if he could have his house back. He said he couldn't die peacefully if he didn't get some of his integrity back. He was arrested and beaten up and deported for for having the gall of asking for his house back. Anyway, he died feeling he had got some of his dignity back by going over asking for his house back. However, that happened to thousands of Palastinians who ended up living in refugee camps for the next 50 years.

So while we think of plucky little Israel, let's not foget Israel was built on terrorism so the Palastinians are doing nothing that the Israelis aren't guilty of.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:52:26 PM

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Wait a minute! Didn't Bill Clinton "make peace" in the Middle East and in N. Ireland too???

This may seem simplistic ... but you do realize that Bill Clinton isn't in office anymore ... right. All the elections he was part of, are gone and past. You got that part ... right.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 12:53:58 PM

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I think hes being sarcastic, I know its hard to belive that some one is NOT blaming one president or the other for a change.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:01:17 PM

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Wait a minute! Didn't Bill Clinton "make peace" in the Middle East and in N. Ireland too???

This may seem simplistic ... but you do realize that Bill Clinton isn't in office anymore ... right. All the elections he was part of, are gone and past. You got that part ... right.

I kept biting my tongue Caitlyn... I kept biting my tongue... I am so glad someone pointed this out.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:03:55 PM

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Thanks for the clarification TreSwank ... I mean Moloch. Sorry, I can't tell you two apart anymore.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:09:58 PM

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You're giving three times more to Israel.

That's not correct. We give about 1/3 more to Israel. Historically, it's been about $2B to Egypt, and about $3B to Israel.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/trade/files/98-916.pdf

(see p. 17)

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:13:43 PM

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Who is TreSwank?

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:18:03 PM

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Well, did he or did he not "make peace" in the Middle East? He said he did!
As for all the foreign aid we really do need to put a stop to it all! I really don't think that it's part of the "Job Description" for (our) govt. to be giving (our) money (Taxpayer dollars) to foreign countries.
As Jim Rogers on the business channel said after returning from an around the world trip after a year on his Harley; "I'd give very little foreign aid. The only people who benefit from it are the lobbyists on "K" street in D.C., the dictators and despots who steal that money and the Mercedes-Benz dealers, and there's a Mercedes-Benz dealer in every single country on the planet!"

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:31:28 PM

juliaoceania

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You're giving three times more to Israel.

That's not correct. We give about 1/3 more to Israel. Historically, it's been about $2B to Egypt, and about $3B to Israel.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/trade/files/98-916.pdf

(see p. 17)

Those figures do not account for building grants we give to Israel. It is a significant amount when added to the other aid we give them. I cannot post the information about that and I do not remember the exact figure, one of my geoegraphy professors outilined much hidden money that pours from USA coffers into Israelis. I believe there was one statistic that put the amount paid per Israeli is like 27k a year. Why are we giving that much money to a developed country? We should be building our own infrastructure, not paying for Israel's, especially when they have a similar standard of living as we do... why do they get welfare?

< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 7/19/2006 1:32:07 PM >

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:33:14 PM

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You just have to look at those SUVs of the UN and every other charity you can think of that operates in the third world. They are not driven by locals but by high salaried white college graduates from the US, Europe or other western culture..

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:33:23 PM

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No worries ... I was just having some fun.

There isn't a single leader in all of recorded history that can't be pulled apart by 20/20 hindsight. I just think it's funny that former President Clinton gets slam-assed by "angry white male" with such frequency.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:41:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

You're giving three times more to Israel.

That's not correct. We give about 1/3 more to Israel. Historically, it's been about $2B to Egypt, and about $3B to Israel.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/trade/files/98-916.pdf

(see p. 17)

Those figures do not account for building grants we give to Israel. It is a significant amount when added to the other aid we give them. I cannot post the information about that and I do not remember the exact figure, one of my geoegraphy professors outilined much hidden money that pours from USA coffers into Israelis. I believe there was one statistic that put the amount paid per Israeli is like 27k a year. Why are we giving that much money to a developed country? We should be building our own infrastructure, not paying for Israel's, especially when they have a similar standard of living as we do... why do they get welfare?

That is probably a more realistic figure than Moloch's 3billion. You just have to look at Israels military hardware to see Moloch is completely wrong. Israel is not called USS Israel for nothing.

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RE: Middle East, - 7/19/2006 1:47:34 PM

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Caitlyn, it's because Clinton took "credit" for everything but "responsibility" for nothing.
Plus, it's just so EASY! lolol
We don't consider him, "one of the guys."
Kind of like a male model not wanting to play football because, "I might hurt my face.!" lol
It WAS very entertaining having him and that Hillary in Washington though.
Kind of like having Jim and Tammy Faye Baker in the White House for eight years!

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