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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 2:26:34 PM   
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I find this an interesting read, and definitely some excellent insight.
It strikes home the majority of the time but there really are women who are not ladder climbers. I do believe most women do enjoy the comfort of a good provider though.


I'm happy in the knowledge that we both bring home the bacon, so to speak, and in case anything would happen to one of us (sickness, etc) each of us could earn enough to keep us going

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 3:13:13 PM   
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Given that it's the height of the football season, I have a question that I have never been able to come to grips with the answer to.

It's a given that women don't want to be treated as sex objects, especially while in public, yet, it's just as much a given that (some) women shove their panties in our faces every chance they get.
Grasshopper, I shall enlighten you. The passing of this knowledge down through the generations is an ongoing aspect of being a man. In time, you too must pass this knowledge on.

The only women who don't want to be viewed as sex objects are those women who don't have the fucking option.

To clarify still further. The only women who don't want ANY women to be viewed as sex objects are those women for whom this will never be an option.

Attractive women possess sexual power. Consequently, those women have no problem being viewed as a sex object because they're intimately aware of their sexual power. In contrast, fat, ugly women have comparatively little sexual power and thus - knowing this is a competition they lose badly - they attempt to deny the reality of that competition by implying there's something wrong with it.

Once again, we see the truth that attractive women are rarely feminists. Attractive women already possess power - they have no need of ideologies to gain it.

Thus endeth the lesson.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 5:34:07 PM   
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While I UNDERSTAND and appreciate your point, I must beg to disagree with your conclusion.

Cheerleaders doing their job is not sexual. You are saying if I did yoga and bend over and touch my toes, I'm doing something sexual? But to a man, it may be sexual.

Look at this scene to illustrate my example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWO3pVE7Dqs


The other pictures which are naked, are bdsm slanted.
This is a bdsm site and some men and women have the kink of exhibitionists. It's dishonest to use photos of exhibitionists as examples.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:23:31 PM   
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Quotes from hell time, people.
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Every time you do these threads, you pick out women who are half your age, wearing school sponsored uniforms, ridiculous outfits geared for very young women, sportswear, and all other kinds of stuff that is not the way most women dress.


You bring up an excellent counterpoint, which I, myself, have alluded to in earlier posts on this thread, which is that the women who seem to be most disassociated with the standard maxim that women don't want to be sexually 'objectivized are mostly the younger women of prime childbearing age, most of whom probably don't frequent this forum.

The older, more mature women seem to be able to manage their actions such that they are far more in sync with the spoken words.

However, you must realize (as I said above), that the UNIFORM is not the issue - it's their ACTIONS IN that uniform which belie their spoken word.


No kidding. Of all freaking things, I happened across a reality show about selection of Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders recently. (Yes, I was feeling terrible for these gorgeous young, talented women who didn't make the cut.) Fan kicks actually are one of the things they are graded on. Something many professional dancers have in routines. The same fan kicks that are a part of a number of Broadway shows.


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Seriously, when one of your female friends gives you the Gibb's slap upside the head, I'm not going to be surprised.


Yeah. You're absolutely right.
My inbox is already flooded with well-meant yet rather blunt reprisals!
Luckily I don't plan on meeting up with anyone of them anytime soon - or they'd have my balls in a vise in a second flat - just to teach me a lesson I won't forget!
:)

I'm glad you took it well because **I** would slap you upside the head because, ummm... You're messing up. Yes, I know. That doesn't really come across in a friendly way but I swear it's the way it's meant. I'm actually the chick who KNOWS people in your neighborhood. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Joking aside, this is not the way you should be viewing women.

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I don't for a second believe that the majority of women your age are dressed in such a way in their day to day lives that their underwear is continually assaulting you. Don't post me pictures of women on the beach, at kink events, or in Halloween costumes trying to find the exceptions to the rule.


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I think you are bringing up perhaps the most important point to BOUND the issue.

The photos I've employed, and the examples I've used, are almost exclusively (save perhaps for the hookers and actresses), of young women of, shall we say, prime child-bearing age.

Oh Gawd. I feel like an old Grandma now.

Do I think I did stupid things back twenty years or so? Yes. Because I wasn't a grown up.

Thankfully, I changed as the times have changed.

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You may intimate that the child-bearing adjectival part isn't relevant, and that only the young part is relevant, but, I think there is an innate desire inherent in these YOUNGER women that directly correlates, whether they realize it or not, to their biological process of obtaining suitable mates for which to rear children with (all, of course, in the subconscious).

Are you really going to prove my point that I've been saying for YEARS that sex sells? Music, advertising, movies, etc, etc, etc?

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To put it more bluntly, most of the women here are, I believe, appalled at my examples, not because the examples are untrue (they're very true), but because these prime examples of younger women's actions don't relate to how the typical OLDER more mature, wiser, and more sage women ACT, like this typical mature woman below ...

Yes. Today I'm a mature woman. However, I was young once, too.


Ooops. How'd that happen? Wrong image above.

This is how older, wiser, more mature women dress and act (which IS in keeping with their words).


PS: Spoiler alert, expressly for the likes of CodeOfSilence... there are some jokes interspersed in there ...


If you post one more damn 22 year old woman trading on her looks to make a living (do you remember what it's like to use that for a job?) you and I are going to have a talk.


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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:34:39 PM   
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I think we need to travel down there

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:39:13 PM   
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I think we need to travel down there

Best time on the town, my friend. Some folks in CA are completely wonderful and they've been asking MP and I to come back for years.



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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:42:35 PM   
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I think we need to travel down there

Best time on the town, my friend. Some folks in CA are completely wonderful and they've been asking MP and I to come back for years.




Ullr works for a company based in Frisco at the moment, and his next business trip out there, I full intend to go with and meet Crumpets.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:46:30 PM   
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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:53:45 PM   
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I think thats what he is after...but hey, I havent been to CA yet.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 6:55:16 PM   
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Given that it's the height of the football season, I have a question that I have never been able to come to grips with the answer to.

It's a given that women don't want to be treated as sex objects, especially while in public, yet, it's just as much a given that (some) women shove their panties in our faces every chance they get.
Grasshopper, I shall enlighten you. The passing of this knowledge down through the generations is an ongoing aspect of being a man. In time, you too must pass this knowledge on.

The only women who don't want to be viewed as sex objects are those women who don't have the fucking option.

To clarify still further. The only women who don't want ANY women to be viewed as sex objects are those women for whom this will never be an option.

Attractive women possess sexual power. Consequently, those women have no problem being viewed as a sex object because they're intimately aware of their sexual power. In contrast, fat, ugly women have comparatively little sexual power and thus - knowing this is a competition they lose badly - they attempt to deny the reality of that competition by implying there's something wrong with it.

Once again, we see the truth that attractive women are rarely feminists. Attractive women already possess power - they have no need of ideologies to gain it.

Thus endeth the lesson.


Or maybe they were sexually molested at a young age when they were just starting to explore what it meant to be female. And that event pretty much shut them down from ever wanting to be viewed as a sexual object.

You always paint using such a broad brush Awareness. There are always other reasons. Always. And you miss that. Plus, you aren't a woman so you can't possibly know all that is going on in the mind of a woman.


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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 7:03:11 PM   
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I think we need to travel down there

Best time on the town, my friend. Some folks in CA are completely wonderful and they've been asking MP and I to come back for years.

Ullr works for a company based in Frisco at the moment, and his next business trip out there, I full intend to go with and meet Crumpets.

I'd love to meet you and Ullr, and see LP again!

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 7:13:58 PM   
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I think we need to travel down there

Best time on the town, my friend. Some folks in CA are completely wonderful and they've been asking MP and I to come back for years.

Ullr works for a company based in Frisco at the moment, and his next business trip out there, I full intend to go with and meet Crumpets.

I'd love to meet you and Ullr, and see LP again!


I'll let you know when we'll be in town. Based on the schedule it should be coming up here pretty soon, but Ullr's boss has the annoying habit waiting until the last minute to fix the details, and frequency delays or cancels trips that should have been set in stone months ago.
There was supposed to be a company sponsored Christmas party trip for employees and spouses this year as well, but they delayed so many times that it's now Feb, so I'm pretty sure that ain't gonna happen after all.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 7:18:18 PM   
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We actually could arrange this kind of thing. :P


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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 7:31:06 PM   
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You bring up an excellent counterpoint, which I, myself, have alluded to in earlier posts on this thread, which is that the women who seem to be most disassociated with the standard maxim that women don't want to be sexually 'objectivized are mostly the younger women of prime childbearing age, most of whom probably don't frequent this forum.

The older, more mature women seem to be able to manage their actions such that they are far more in sync with the spoken words.

However, you must realize (as I said above), that the UNIFORM is not the issue - it's their ACTIONS IN that uniform which belie their spoken word.


No kidding. Of all freaking things, I happened across a reality show about selection of Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders recently. (Yes, I was feeling terrible for these gorgeous young, talented women who didn't make the cut.) Fan kicks actually are one of the things they are graded on. Something many professional dancers have in routines. The same fan kicks that are a part of a number of Broadway shows.


Frankly, it's not about childbearing, it's just that most 40+ women don't have the flexibility to still do fan kicks and such! I'm pretty darn flexible for my age, and am planning on getting back into gymnastics and yoga as my rehab permits, but there are some moves that my body just won't cooperate with. Some of them I suppose could be viewed as "sexualized," but I don't usually think of it that way. I wear a full-body unitard/catsuit, so no panty-flashing. The cheerleaders are all wearing panties underneath their uniform bottoms, those are *meant* to be seen, just as bikinis and leotard bottoms under tutus and whatnot are.

Getting catcalled on the street when I'm alone would scare me, but I generally agree that the phrasing/tone of a classier approach isn't likely to be as offensive, even if the message is at bottom the same.

LP and Ishtar, just let me know what logistics work for you!

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 8:16:57 PM   
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Maybe women are thinking that it is not any of the OP's business what they choose to wear?

ETA: I mean, I did not take Crumpet into account when I got dressed this morning.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/2/2016 8:47:39 PM   
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Maybe women are thinking that it is not any of the OP's business what they choose to wear?




I really like this line, especially when I hear it from a woman complaining about men staring at her ass and she has "hot ass" written on the back of her shorts.

If I may suggest, some (not all,) but a large number of women seem to dress in a manner that could only be referred to as "SHOCK SCHTICK."

For example, a few years ago I (and everyone else in the store) could not help but stare at a woman with clearly augmented breasts wearing a bikini top that barely covered her nipples and a pair of shorts that barely covered her from hip down. These things made Daisy Dukes look downright Victorian.

I have noticed that this seems to be a growing trend among some women, and for the life of me, I have no idea why. We have all heard "if you got it, flaunt it" but there is a limit to what can be called good taste.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/3/2016 12:41:31 AM   
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Or maybe they were sexually molested at a young age when they were just starting to explore what it meant to be female. And that event pretty much shut them down from ever wanting to be viewed as a sexual object.

You always paint using such a broad brush Awareness. There are always other reasons. Always. And you miss that. Plus, you aren't a woman so you can't possibly know all that is going on in the mind of a woman.



I would say once again we see how utterly clueless and stupid men look if they think they know how women think, but I guess some guys need the excuse that women like to be leered at by repulsive people, and obviously women who aren't into it are soooo unattractive...

As a teen, I was so freaking ugly, a men's magazine paid me a fucking hell lot of money too take my clothes off, I never considered it sexual power, good body and they gave me a lot of money so I could study abroad and attend one of the top universities, it wasn't exploiting any sexuality, Heff's little magazine actually has the rule that you aren't allowed to look "suggestive", which is a bit funny if you're trotting along the sand bare naked in high heels, while pretending to adore it (must not let anybody see that the damned sand gets everywhere and you're worried about twisting your ankle), my thoughts actually didn't even venture much to the guys who would leer, if they did briefly it was more in terms of "oh sad souls"

Most women are just aware they have a bit more to offer, like the fact that they are persons and not "objects" and that most women just aren't interested in random dicks, we usually prefer them to be attached to a person we like. If the dick belongs to a dick, well, not awfully interested.

Fan kicks are just a dance routine, not a big deal really, in martial arts you do a lot of high kicks, slightly different position but the legs are absolutely up in the air, not very sexual unless some people consider being kicked into next week sexual.

As for being dressed up, I'm actually wearing rather skin tight stuff today, leggings and a long sleeved, pretty clingy top, it stretches, gives me room to move and since I plan to take the dogs for a walk, I can put jeans, sweater and coat over them without looking like a square box and still having movement, we got a bunch of snow today...

I guess I must be really unattractive, because a random dude just read the mind of ALL women, glad to have it confirmed, must share it with hubby, I guess he also didn't know...



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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/3/2016 5:00:29 AM   
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Maybe women are thinking that it is not any of the OP's business what they choose to wear?




I really like this line, especially when I hear it from a woman complaining about men staring at her ass and she has "hot ass" written on the back of her shorts.

If I may suggest, some (not all,) but a large number of women seem to dress in a manner that could only be referred to as "SHOCK SCHTICK."

For example, a few years ago I (and everyone else in the store) could not help but stare at a woman with clearly augmented breasts wearing a bikini top that barely covered her nipples and a pair of shorts that barely covered her from hip down. These things made Daisy Dukes look downright Victorian.

I have noticed that this seems to be a growing trend among some women, and for the life of me, I have no idea why. We have all heard "if you got it, flaunt it" but there is a limit to what can be called good taste.


I'm with you on this, about appropriate attire. We are old school! We must be getting old?
When I was younger I loved me Daisy Dukes. I dressed like Elle may on the farm routinely. I was cute and knew it!
I still enjoy slut days, dressing the part, but not on a routine basis, and I like to be discrete about it. Unless it's a special fun thing, like a Halloween party, I'm just not going to walk around town like that. I also have children, so I'm not going into the school snapping gum looking like A mount pilot fun girl.
As far as what cheerleaders wear, they are gymnastics. The young girls I know can flip backwards, no hands, and be standing in the same place they started their back flip from. Try doing that with a restrictive clothes. Everyone knows also being a cheerleader in school is a status symbol. A social status symbol anyway. At that age everyone is all about social! The ones who are not, who are the brains, are more mature and don't play the silly game, many of us played as tweets and teens.
I, too, admire the classy look much better and respect that a lot more when either in a work environment or just walking through the mall. How other people dress though is none of my business.
Edited to add.
Crumpets, my son has Aspergers. He is one terrific kid with an amazing mind. I love his uniqueness. I think I might buy that book you put in photo here.

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/3/2016 5:38:40 AM   
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Hey, I still do enjoy dressing up slutty at Halloween, when I go with my other half, despite the fact that I'm obviously not attractive enough to play on sex appeal... It's just I think brain appeal is so much more attractive to guys with a brain, but unfortunately there are few and far in between... Getting the stupid bloke leer at you because you have sex appeal is like taking the junk food over the gourmet meal...

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RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking - 2/3/2016 5:41:10 AM   
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Getting the stupid bloke leer at you because you have sex appeal is like taking the junk food over the gourmet meal...

.... or crumpets over caviar .....

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