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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/20/2016 2:25:08 PM   
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On April 30, 2012, McAfee's property in Orange Walk Town, Belize, was raided by the Gang Suppression Unit of the Belizean Police Department. McAfee was in bed with his girlfriend at that time, who McAfee said was scarred by the incident. A GSU press release stated that McAfee was arrested for unlicensed drug manufacturing and possession of an unlicensed weapon.[18][31][32][33] He was released without charge.[34] In 2012, Belize police spokesman Raphael Martinez confirmed that McAfee was neither convicted nor charged, but only suspected.[35]

On November 12, 2012, Belize police started a search for McAfee as a "person of interest" in connection to the murder of American expatriate Gregory Viant Faull. Faull was found dead of a gunshot wound on November 11, 2012, at his home on the island of Ambergris Caye, the largest island in Belize.[36][37] Faull was a neighbor of McAfee.[38] In a November 2012 interview with Wired,[39] McAfee said that he has always been afraid police would kill him and thus refused their routine questions; he has since been evading the Belizean authorities.[38] Belize's prime minister Dean Barrow called McAfee "extremely paranoid, even bonkers".[40] McAfee fled Belize when he was sought for questioning concerning the murder.[41][42][43]

Vice accidentally gave away McAfee's location at a Guatemalan resort in early December 2012, when a photo taken by one of its journalists accompanying McAfee was posted with the Exif geolocation metadata still attached.[44] While in Guatemala, McAfee asked Chad Essley, an American cartoonist and animator, to set up a blog so that he could write about his experience while on the run.[45] McAfee then appeared publicly in Guatemala City, where he attempted to seek political asylum. On December 5, 2012, McAfee was arrested for illegally entering Guatemala. Shortly after being placed under arrest, a board to review McAfee's plea for asylum was formed. The committee denied his asylum, so he was taken from his holding facility to a detention center in order to await deportation to Belize.[46]

On December 6, 2012, Reuters and ABC News reported that McAfee had two minor heart attacks in a Guatemalan detention center and was hospitalized.[47][48] McAfee's lawyer stated that his client had not suffered heart attacks, but had instead suffered from high blood pressure and anxiety attacks.[49][50][51] McAfee later stated that he faked the heart attack while being held in Guatemala to buy time for his attorney to file a series of appeals that ultimately prevented his deportation to Belize, hastening the government's decision to send him back to the United States.[52] On December 12, 2012, McAfee was released from detention in Guatemala and deported to the United States.[53]

As of January 8, 2014, Belizean police have presented no new accusations, and they have not persisted in seeking McAfee's imprisonment for any of the crimes they accused him of. However, they have auctioned off McAfee's seized assets, and his home was burned down under suspicious circumstances.[54]

On August 2, 2015, he was arrested in Henderson County, Tennessee, on charges of one count of driving under the influence and one count of possession of a firearm while intoxicated.[55]




John was an interesting cat. I've met him on a couple of occasions. But he went off the deep end. The chance of socialing that phone is close to zero.
First, socialing involves biographical data to try to talk your way in - Johns likely hood of being able to come up with better bio data is nil.
Second, socialing works in an environment of low security. The suspect changed his password frequently, and has evidence of being aware of security concerns (setting the phone to erase, changing passwords frequently, setting phone for longer password etc.) Social will not work in this environment.

This is just a smart attempt to use social pressure to fleece the govt of a few (million) bucks.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/20/2016 7:06:52 PM   
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I'm not decided on the question of back doors. I lean against them.
But I'm against apple refusing to crack the phone.


Apple is not being asked to crack the phone.

Apple is being forced to create a custom iOS (FBiOS), digitally signed by Apple as if it was a legitimate release, whose sole purpose is to bypass security protocols. FBiOS would allow the FBI (really anyone) to input passcodes over wireless protocols (Bluetooth and WiFi) in addition to the wired port. FBiOS would not cause a bad password lockout or auto-erase after n failed logins.


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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/20/2016 9:12:55 PM   
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Again. just like prosecutors will heap on charges in order to lend pressure to a settlement; this is all just political kabucki theatre.

Apple will not be forced to do so; and the govt is playing theater just like apple is by not offering in public to give the pw.

This is the same thing as facebook, myspace and all the telecoms - long ago were saying tey wouldn't cooperate with the feds, when in fact they all gave back doors. Kabuki theatre.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/22/2016 10:43:52 AM   
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John was an interesting cat. I've met him on a couple of occasions. But he went off the deep end. The chance of socialing that phone is close to zero.
First, socialing involves biographical data to try to talk your way in - Johns likely hood of being able to come up with better bio data is nil.
Second, socialing works in an environment of low security. The suspect changed his password frequently, and has evidence of being aware of security concerns (setting the phone to erase, changing passwords frequently, setting phone for longer password etc.) Social will not work in this environment.

This is just a smart attempt to use social pressure to fleece the govt of a few (million) bucks.


dude, you just dont seem to get my sense of humor..
Yes, I know the guy is on the run from murder charges, so how seriously can anyone take him?.. of course he is fos (full of shite).. I am actually surprised that his "offer" made it to the "news" (it really should be in the comic section instead)..

and as for your meeting him a few times, I really wouldnt advertise that, if I were you.. just sayin'..

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/22/2016 7:19:30 PM   
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Again. just like prosecutors will heap on charges in order to lend pressure to a settlement; this is all just political kabucki theatre.

Apple will not be forced to do so; and the govt is playing theater just like apple is by not offering in public to give the pw.

This is the same thing as facebook, myspace and all the telecoms - long ago were saying tey wouldn't cooperate with the feds, when in fact they all gave back doors. Kabuki theatre.


You should read http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5645


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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 7:03:41 AM   
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I don't like or trust polls, but a recent one suggests that more Americans side with the FBI. I'm actually really surprised by that.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 10:35:22 AM   
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Again. just like prosecutors will heap on charges in order to lend pressure to a settlement; this is all just political kabucki theatre.

Apple will not be forced to do so; and the govt is playing theater just like apple is by not offering in public to give the pw.

This is the same thing as facebook, myspace and all the telecoms - long ago were saying tey wouldn't cooperate with the feds, when in fact they all gave back doors. Kabuki theatre.


You should read http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5645



Completey disagree as to this guys implimentation of tool.

In other news today, article today claims that apple already has a backdoor on the device, used for wireless updates, and all they need to do is give the FBI access. No writing required.

As for americans being surprisingly in favor - terrorism is the #1 issues for a lot of people. That spills over into support for the FBI.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 12:17:20 PM   
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As for americans being surprisingly in favor - terrorism is the #1 issues for a lot of people. That spills over into support for the FBI.


then that makes those that fear terrorism so damn much to be total morons & easily manipulated sheeple since the chance/odds of being an actual victim (in the US) of terrorism is less than being hit by lighting twice and then winning the powerball.. its a fear that is blown out of all proportion (by the govt, media, profiteers) to reality.. This is just a PR stunt by the FBI to get a tool to hack the other 175 non-terrorism related iphones they want cracked, they are using terrorism as a sledgehammer and manipulating the weak-minded public into blindly supporting them..

"it’s worth understanding what the FBI’s larger goals are. Cyrus Vance Jr., the Manhattan DA, states it clearly: “no smartphone lies beyond the reach of a judicial search warrant.” That’s the FBI’s real goal. The San Bernadino case is just a vehicle toward achieving that goal." https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/dwallach/an-analogy-to-understand-the-fbis-request-of-apple/

Those same people will bitch like hell when their info is hacked due to back doors and lack of security and they have had their identities stolen, their bank accounts cleaned out and credit rating destroyed.. the IRS has been hacked twice now, the govt cant even protect that information from hackers..

Oh, and what is to stop China & other countries from also demanding Apple give them that tool that the FBI wants them to develop so they can crack iphones, etc? once the genie is out of the bottle, there is no getting it back...

"Another area where this analogy holds up is all the people who will “need” access to the backdoor keys. Who gets the backdoor keys? Sure, it might begin with the TSA, but every baggage inspector in every airport, worldwide, will demand access to those keys. And they’ll even justify it, because their inspectors work together with ours to defeat smuggling and other crimes. We’re all in this together! Next thing you know, the backdoor keys are everywhere. Is that a bad thing? Well, the TSA backdoor lock scheme is only as secure as their ability to keep the keys a secret. And what happened? The TSA mistakenly allowed the Washington Post to publish a photo of all the keys, which makes it trivial for anyone to fabricate those keys. (CAD files for them are now online!) Consequently, anybody can take advantage of the TSA locks’ designed-in backdoor, not just all the world’s baggage inspectors.

While this would be lovely for helping the FBI gather the evidence it wants, it would be especially lovely for foreign intelligence officers, operating on our shores, or going after our citizens when they travel abroad. If they pickpocket a phone from a high-value target, our FBI’s policies will enable any intel or police organization, anywhere, to trivially exercise any phone’s TSA backdoor lock and access all the intel within. Needless to say, we already have a hard time defending ourselves from nation-state adversaries’ cyber-exfiltration attacks. Hopefully, sanity will prevail, because it would be a monumental error for the government to require that all our phones be engineered with backdoors."
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/dwallach/an-analogy-to-understand-the-fbis-request-of-apple/

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 1:29:48 PM   
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its a fear that is blown out of all proportion


Agreed.

What I'm most surprised by is that a lot of Americans are willing to possibly trade more of their privacy and security for (what I consider irrational) fear. While a lot of Americans do fear terrorism, a lot of Americans also doubt the government's ability to keep information secure. I also have serious doubts in the government's ability to thwart attacks from information they may (or may not) retrieve from said phone.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 3:44:16 PM   
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Meh I just don't see the issue.

Fbi gets a warrant to get apple to unlock one phone - just like apple has done a million times before.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 6:30:22 PM   
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Again. just like prosecutors will heap on charges in order to lend pressure to a settlement; this is all just political kabucki theatre.

Apple will not be forced to do so; and the govt is playing theater just like apple is by not offering in public to give the pw.

This is the same thing as facebook, myspace and all the telecoms - long ago were saying tey wouldn't cooperate with the feds, when in fact they all gave back doors. Kabuki theatre.


You should read http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5645



Completey disagree as to this guys implimentation of tool.


And you've testified at how many trials?

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In other news today, article today claims that apple already has a backdoor on the device, used for wireless updates, and all they need to do is give the FBI access. No writing required.


I read an article today saying that was impossible.

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As for americans being surprisingly in favor - terrorism is the #1 issues for a lot of people. That spills over into support for the FBI.


Not necessarily.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 6:33:11 PM   
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Meh I just don't see the issue.

Fbi gets a warrant to get apple to unlock one phone - just like apple has done a million times before.


The FBI is attempting to force Apple to write a a custom version of iOS that bypasses all the security measures and allows the FBI to input pin codes over Blutooth and WiFi. Read the court docs or any of the other posts here that reference the court docs. This is more than "just unlock one phone".

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 6:37:10 PM   
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...This is more than "just unlock one phone"


I heard today that there are actually ~12 court cases at the state level where the government is trying to get apple to do the same, or similar...the people talking didn't go into details on the matter.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 6:44:00 PM   
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I don't like or trust polls, but a recent one suggests that more Americans side with the FBI. I'm actually really surprised by that.


Of course, and the FBI was waiting for just this sort of scenario to push their agenda. Who could possibly side with the terrorists? Just unlock the phone, Apple! Why are you siding with the terrorists?!

The only way this could have possibly been better for the FBI is if the terrorists were also pedophiles.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 6:49:26 PM   
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...This is more than "just unlock one phone"


I heard today that there are actually ~12 court cases at the state level where the government is trying to get apple to do the same, or similar...the people talking didn't go into details on the matter.



Yes, supposedly 12 All Writs cases.


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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 7:12:29 PM   
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what I consider irrational) fear


Fear hell... maybe most just want these murderous assholes brought to justice. Most of us could not care less about the FBI looking at our phones... hell you can look at mine if you want... what silly shit. It seems to me the fear is with you and your like.... Fear of what others may see on your phone.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 7:30:36 PM   
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what I consider irrational) fear


Fear hell... maybe most just want these murderous assholes brought to justice.


You mean, you want to see if they're tied to other 'murderous assholes'.

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Most of us could not care less about the FBI looking at our phones... hell you can look at mine if you want... what silly shit. It seems to me the fear is with you and your like.... Fear of what others may see on your phone.

Butch


Lol. If the FBI wanted to look at my phone, I'd show them myself.


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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 7:35:09 PM   
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what I consider irrational) fear


Fear hell... maybe most just want these murderous assholes brought to justice.


The "murderous assholes" are already dead. What justice are you wishing for them?

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Most of us could not care less about the FBI looking at our phones... hell you can look at mine if you want... what silly shit. It seems to me the fear is with you and your like.... Fear of what others may see on your phone.


Send me your phone. Give me your bank account login and password. Put this camera in your shower. Give me your Facebook or social media login(s). Give me your login to this site. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, right?

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 7:43:47 PM   
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...This is more than "just unlock one phone"


I heard today that there are actually ~12 court cases at the state level where the government is trying to get apple to do the same, or similar...the people talking didn't go into details on the matter.



Yes, supposedly 12 All Writs cases.



Not one of which has anything to do with terrorism.

But the minute the FBI is given the capability to hack the initial phone in question, they will start figuring out how to get it extended to the others.

Several on here, including you, have already pointed out that this is exactly what would happen if later investigations in non-terrorist cases to start popping up.

One thing you were mistaken on-the later part. They already have these 12 on-hold, ready to push them once the first is settled.

And another point-on all of these 12 that were just reported, the FBI filed privately. When it came to this one, they took it public.

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RE: “APPLE TO JUDGE: DROP DEAD!” - 2/23/2016 8:19:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Again. just like prosecutors will heap on charges in order to lend pressure to a settlement; this is all just political kabucki theatre.

Apple will not be forced to do so; and the govt is playing theater just like apple is by not offering in public to give the pw.

This is the same thing as facebook, myspace and all the telecoms - long ago were saying tey wouldn't cooperate with the feds, when in fact they all gave back doors. Kabuki theatre.


You should read http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=5645



Completey disagree as to this guys implimentation of tool.


And you've testified at how many trials?
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
In other news today, article today claims that apple already has a backdoor on the device, used for wireless updates, and all they need to do is give the FBI access. No writing required.


I read an article today saying that was impossible.


How in the world can it be impossible? Apple writes the software....
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As for americans being surprisingly in favor - terrorism is the #1 issues for a lot of people. That spills over into support for the FBI.


Not necessarily.



Except, that it demonstrably has.

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