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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:14:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL.......................I'm sorry but I can't see that wall happening .................for a number of reasons. It's going to cost an arm and a leg..................it will need policing every few metres like the Berlin Wall was......................Mexico doesn't want the wall, so I can't really see them volunteering to pay for a half of it. If my neighbour pulled that stunt and built a wall between our properties, he would very quickly be told where he could shove it, brick by brick................................I would like to see trumps costing on this and then the costing for the next ten years of policing it. Or does he want mexico to bear half the cost of that too ? The guy is so full of shit, he should call his house 'Pooh Corner' .

As for going after the families of suspected terrorists......................That is harassment in many countries and illegal in even more unless you have proof that THEY have committed some crime.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:17:19 PM   
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As for going after the families of suspected terrorists......................That is harassment in many countries and illegal in even more unless you have proof that THEY have committed some crime.

You been in the military, and let me ask you, do you think this does not happen in the British Military? You really believe that?

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:18:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Mexican/U.S. border is almost 2000 miles long. I have no idea how long the Berlin Wall was but it's upkeep and policing was crippling the East Germans and hurting the Russians too. Can you imagine that whole monstrosity multiplied the gods know how many times ?

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:19:30 PM   
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His saying he will not do anything to trespass American laws. But he still wants to go after the families.

To those of us who speak english that is called self contradiction.

But he will do in a legal way.

How does one legally go about torturing innocent people?


IF he can't successfully do this legally then he won't do it, because priority is, respect the law first.

He did not say that. He said he would go after their families. Which is exactly what you said you would do. So if some cousin of yours steals a road sign in the third world shithole known as singapore you would be kewel with the cops caining you?


That's what he means. He never backtracked on that at all. I never saw him once literally said, "I change my mind about going after the families."

Perhaps you might get a grown up to explain the big words to you.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:24:13 PM   
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You been in the military, and let me ask you, do you think this does not happen in the British Military? You really believe that?

Perhaps in the fascist third world shithole known as singapore that happens. It is illegal in amerika.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:26:23 PM   
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The Mexican/U.S. border is almost 2000 miles long. I have no idea how long the Berlin Wall was but it's upkeep and policing was crippling the East Germans and hurting the Russians too. Can you imagine that whole monstrosity multiplied the gods know how many times ?

Yea, but I go with Trump logic that if ancient China can build their great wall. So can modern America.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:28:40 PM   
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Perhaps in the fascist third world shithole known as singapore that happens. It is illegal in amerika.

Well, torture is definitely legal in Singapore for terrorists yes. But it's gruesome details are not made officially publicly known.

I know US has too much red tape for any real torture to happen. But I'm pretty sure, British does not have the same red tape. But like Singapore, things goes on, but not publicized.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:29:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't say it didn't or doesn't happen greta. I said it was harassment and it was illegal. Trump says he will stand by American law, so I really can't agree to condone these things. The military I was in was stuck out on a limb and we made a lot of the rules up as we went along, or we discarded the rule book when necessary. Trump CANNOT agree with that and still be believable

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:33:11 PM   
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I didn't say it didn't or doesn't happen greta. I said it was harassment and it was illegal. Trump says he will stand by American law, so I really can't agree to condone these things. The military I was in was stuck out on a limb and we made a lot of the rules up as we went along, or we discarded the rule book when necessary. Trump CANNOT agree with that and still be believable

And I heard alot of stories from British soldiers of torture of families being used in certain circumstances behind the scenes. So I know it happens, and it is used, when necessary, and lives have been saved because of it.

But Trump was just being his usual super honest self to openly say, he approves of it.

Most people know that is political faux pas. I just like Trump blunt honesty. His challenge is not to break and attempt to be more political correct as pressure mounts. As far as I'm seeing now, people want a political correct President. Unpolitical correct statements piss off alot of people, and is not Presidential quality apparently.

Because what we are seeing here, is we are so used to politician just lying and telling us what we want to hear, the flowery stuffs, even if that is not that true position. Trump is like, "This is me! The full thing, raw, take it or leave it!" And the full raw will open him to alot of outrage and criticism. But he had the courage to be himself.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:35:55 PM   
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Yea, but I go with Trump logic that if ancient China can build their great wall. So can modern America.


It took china more than a thousand years and millions of slaves to make the wall. So it seems your mop wants to enslave amerika for a thousand years or so.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:37:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ancient China built a series of walls with slave labour that killed thousands if not millions of the workers, (sounds like Trump *smile*). The walls were then joined up, again by slave labour with the same retirement package for them, to make the Great wall as it known today. It didn't work either because, just as a number of the East German Guards were corrupt and bribeable, so will some of the American guards be. Numbers of those from outside the wall bribed their way in through the gates, or else they just walked a bit further and went around the outside.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:38:32 PM   
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It took china more than a thousand years and millions of slaves to make the wall. So it seems your mop wants to enslave amerika for a thousand years or so.

With no modern technology, China has to take that long.

With 11 million illegals, I'm sure he can employ them legally to built that wall in a faster pace.

I'm just thinking, even sky scrapers nowadays can be built soooo fast by lego blocks-like technology. Same shit for that wall.


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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:39:11 PM   
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Perhaps in the fascist third world shithole known as singapore that happens. It is illegal in amerika.

Well, torture is definitely legal in Singapore for terrorists yes. But it's gruesome details are not made officially publicly known.

I know US has too much red tape for any real torture to happen. But I'm pretty sure, British does not have the same red tape. But like Singapore, things goes on, but not publicized.

What part of "it is against the law" dont you understand?

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:40:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		How can Trump employ illegal immigrants legally ? That doesn't make a lot of sense because he will be breaking the law by employing them in the first place

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:40:52 PM   
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How can Trump employ illegal immigrants legally ? That doesn't make a lot of sense because he will be breaking the law by employing them in the first place

By issuing them legal work passes. Easy!

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:42:57 PM   
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And I heard alot of stories from British soldiers of torture of families being used in certain circumstances behind the scenes. So I know it happens,

Some soldier tells you a story and this means "so I know it happens"


and it is used, when necessary, and lives have been saved because of it.


If that were true then you should be able to cite the instances where all of these lives have been saved.

But Trump was just being his usual super honest self to openly say, he approves of it.

He has been shown to be a liar,cheat,thief,con man.


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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:43:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		so they would be legal to work in America ? That happened in Germany with the Turkish immigrants. Germany tried to send them home by giving them free flights. They all went home for a vacation and then flew back to Germany because they already had their visas saying they were there legally. It cost the German government a lot of money to learn that lesson

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:43:55 PM   
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What part of "it is against the law" dont you understand?

Let me ask you something?

Chewing gum is against the law in Singapore.

So are you gonna condemn someone who says they approve of chewing gum just because it's against the law?

So why beating up Trump for approving of torture? Just because it's against the law, doesn't mean he can't be for it.

It's like me condemning you for wanting to chew gum because it's against my law.

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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:46:20 PM   
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so they would be legal to work in America ? That happened in Germany with the Turkish immigrants. Germany tried to send them home by giving them free flights. They all went home for a vacation and then flew back to Germany because they already had their visas saying they were there legally. It cost the German government a lot of money to learn that lesson

Well, he could have a special wall building temporary work visa and offer illegals a legal job if they wanna stay and help build that wall.

Or they need to go back to where they come from and try to come back through legal channels again.

In Singapore, all work visas has expiry date. So..., they are all properly tracked, their ins and outs of the country. So I mean, free flights are a little excessive. I don't really understand the situation in Germany. You mean Germany give them free work permits and free flights home. That doesn't make sense.

I'm referring to giving them an option to stay for another 6 or 12 more months, IF they choose to work to build the wall, if not, they need to go back, and then apply for a job through legal channels, and come back that way.



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RE: Will Trump save the republican party? - 3/6/2016 6:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to agree with Greta about the Brit army using torture .....................There are a number of ex-soldiers being charged with it right now. My Brother was in Aden and Cyprus and he has told me of instances. putting a mans feet in the fire or using a small blowtorch on his eyeball really doesn't equate to a similar crime to chewing gum though. Or at least I am too dumb to see the connection.

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