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RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/1/2016 5:01:32 PM   
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Doesn't matter which one is healthier. He said switch so you switch. Simple and easy.

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RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 12:43:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bhruic


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ORIGINAL: cindyluvNY



So wouldn't oil popped popcorn be healthier?




Perhaps... or maybe you should just stop arguing and do as you are told?


If doing what she is told is detrimental to her health, then I feel she has the obligation to protect his property and speak up.



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RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 2:55:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

What does this have to do with "General bdsm"?

Well if she has oil-popped pop corn, then she also gets tied up and 50 lashes (ok 20) with a worn out large size pop corn cup...theater style.

I am thinking she just forgot that part.

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RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 3:02:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cindyluvNY

By the way, I'm okay with this except for one small thing.
I love oil popped popcorn. He is trying to get me to switch to air popped popcorn because it's healthier. And he even gives me a website to prove it.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/157609-air-popped-popcorn-vs-oil-popped/

I use Mazola Vegetable Plus! oil to pop my popcorn and it's delicious! I've checked not only the website he provided but after reading everything it does seem that air popped corn is much healthier.

The article claims that air popped contains 0mg of sodium. Oil popped contains 97mg sodium per cup.
However, the oil I use has 0mg of sodium and is cholesterol free. So where is the sodium coming from?
Plus, the oil I use has "Vitamin E 15%"
The oil also contains 1000mg of Omega-3Ala per serving.
I'm sure I could even find another oil that has more benefits.

So wouldn't oil popped popcorn be healthier?





That SON of a BITCH!!!!!

(I don't know....maybe it's the whole.....there's less oil in air popped popcorn thing....but hey....what do I know? Honey....if your Dom told you to eat popcorn made with AIR....you eat POPCORN MADE WITH AIR!!!!! You don't ask people you have never met to help you with the logic!!!!!).

If the guy tells you to lay in the middle of I-5 and pee in to a 5 gallon bucket.....you lay in the middle of I-5 and you pee in to a bucket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

(Pretty simple stuff hon).

Unless it's illegal, gonna get you arrested or end up on a Christmas card to Aunt Nell.....you do what you're told.

Period.

(Unless of course....you would prefer to be the Dom....at which point....I need to give you my cell #).


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RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 3:08:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crumpets


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ORIGINAL: crumpets

This may better belong in the Health & Safety section than General BDSM, but, I'll take a stab at what you're contemplating...

Here's what you said:

Mazola Vegetable Plus!
  • 0mg of sodium and is cholesterol free
  • "Vitamin E 15%"
  • 1000mg of Omega-3Ala per serving.

    Air popped popcorn:
  • none of that

    Looking at the article, here's what it said:
  • several tablespoons of oil gives popcorn a "richer" taste
  • 1 cup of air-popped popcorn contains 31 calories, 1g of protein, 6g of carbohydrates and 1.2g of fiber.
  • 1 cup of oil-popped popcorn contains 55 calories, 1g of protein, 6g of carbohydrates and 1.1g of fiber (+3g of fat and 97mg of sodium)

    At that point, the article "implies" that to-be-air-popped popcorn is, essentially, different stuff, than to-be-oil-popped popcorn:
  • Air-popped popcorn is made from whole grain, which provides fiber and complex carbohydrates for energy and stamina.
  • Homemade oil-popped corn offers most of the same nutrients with higher fat and sodium

    I would agree with you that it's not obvious where the sodium comes from.
    My only assumption is that they "implied" that the starting point popcorn for to-be-oil-popped popcorn is different stuff than the to-be-air-popped popcorn.

    Seems to me, based on just that, if you can buy the to-be-air-popped popcorn, and you add the 3 grams of oil, you get the "benefits" of the 3 grams of oil without any sodium chloride.

    There's no spontaneous generation of sodium chloride so, if it's not there, it's not there.


    Disclaimer: I haven't eaten popcorn in years, nor have I ever studied the stuff...





  • (I'm pretty sure that "movie popcorn" section HAS to be a lie. God would never have allowed that).

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 4:42:43 PM   
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    I don't even like the taste of popcorns lol, I don't understand people's love for it!

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 5:58:04 PM   
    DesFIP


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    But it isn't a dumb question.

    He stated that he wants her to make this change because it's healthier but he gave her a link that has errors. Which means since he doesn't know what's healthier, she can't trust his decision.

    Extrapolate this to play. What if he says he wants to learn how to use a bull whip on her, with no practice or workshop. Should she agree to this when the risk is too high that she'll be left permanently scarred and possibly blinded?

    If he wants her to trust in his decision, then he has to make sure his decisions are good ones.



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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 6:04:15 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: DesFIP

    But it isn't a dumb question.

    He stated that he wants her to make this change because it's healthier but he gave her a link that has errors. Which means since he doesn't know what's healthier, she can't trust his decision.

    Extrapolate this to play. What if he says he wants to learn how to use a bull whip on her, with no practice or workshop. Should she agree to this when the risk is too high that she'll be left permanently scarred and possibly blinded?

    If he wants her to trust in his decision, then he has to make sure his decisions are good ones.




    I completely understand what you're saying. But, if she has the expectation that his decisions will be justified to her satisfaction, then who is running things?

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 10:58:55 PM   
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    If popcorn is your biggest problem with the relationship, count your blessings. If I were you, I'd save my energy for solving a real problem.

    Don't sweat the small stuff.

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/2/2016 11:24:45 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

    If popcorn is your biggest problem with the relationship, count your blessings. If I were you, I'd save my energy for solving a real problem.

    Don't sweat the small stuff.

    Good Point

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 8:20:06 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: DesFIP

    But it isn't a dumb question.

    He stated that he wants her to make this change because it's healthier but he gave her a link that has errors. Which means since he doesn't know what's healthier, she can't trust his decision.

    Extrapolate this to play. What if he says he wants to learn how to use a bull whip on her, with no practice or workshop. Should she agree to this when the risk is too high that she'll be left permanently scarred and possibly blinded?

    If he wants her to trust in his decision, then he has to make sure his decisions are good ones.




    There's a difference between 'disobeying the person in charge' and 'making sure that the person in charge has all pertinent information needed for making a decision'.

    Dominants aren't perfect, they make mistakes. And when they do, there's a respectful appropriate manner in which it's possible to bring that to their attention. It's not that hard to go and ask questions, or bring to light new information they might not have had before in an appropriate manner. After you do that, maybe they'll change their minds, maybe they won't. It depends on how relevant they consider the 'new' information you just provided to them.

    I'm sure that if Kaliko went to Awareness and explain that her doctor told her that she's allergic to some of the Paleo stuff he's got her eating, he'd factor that into his future decisions, and would probably change them. If, on the other hand, she went and told him that new research shows that the amount of micro-nutrients in the food she's eating are slightly different than he previously thought, but he sees she's still thriving on the diet, he probably wouldn't change his standing orders on food.

    But after you've provided -what you think is- all the relevant information which -you think- the D-type is missing, an order is an order is an order, and there comes a point where you just have to accept that the order is the way it's going to be, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. Presuming that's the relationship you signed up for, of course.

    Questioning orders over something as trivial as a little extra salt on popcorn, beyond providing the Dominant with relevant information you think they might not have had when giving the order, is an indication that you only really want to obey orders when the order in question is one you find pleasing and 'hot'. It means you want to play a game where you both pretend you're following orders cause it turns you on.

    Which is fine, if that's what you're after... but if that's a case, a sit down conversation is needed to make sure that both parties are on the same page and in agreement that that's the relationship they actually want to be in.

    If it's not, and the s-type actually wants the D-type to be... ya know... in charge, there comes a point where even an order you deem is a mistake has got to be followed. Otherwise, you don't have a relationship where the D-type is in charge, you've got a relationship where the s-type is in charge, and most of the time just humors the D-type into pretending that they're the one in charge.

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 9:43:11 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: DesFIP
    But it isn't a dumb question.

    I think it's a good question IF we take the popcorn part as more as an "example" or "symptom" than literal.
    Yes. I know. "I" took it literally. That's how my mind works when it sees "Someone says popcorn is bad for me".
    As a "popcorn" thread, this is a bad question.
    But, as a general D/s relationship thread, the popcorn is merely the "analogy" with which we begin to work our ideas on (which I'm sure Ullr's Ishtar will take to further depths as I see there is a post below all this that I'm responding to).



    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
    If popcorn is your biggest problem with the relationship, count your blessings.

    She didn't mention the part about him wanting to stuff it (steamy, salty, and buttery) up her anus whenever she cooks the wrong kind!

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
    Don't sweat the small stuff.

    Which is to say that those hard unpopped kernels will simply fall out of her anus so she shouldn't worry so much about those!


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
    If I were you, I'd save my energy for solving a real problem.

    I think a "real" problem is being asked in a way that uses an example, which is, almost certainly, just one of many.
    So the real question pertains to what level of "control" should she allow when there is a bit of ignorance on one side?

    As for me, I don't respect ignorance.
    So, control is fine (I love being led by a woman).
    But I can't be led by an ignorant woman.

    So, for the OP, I think the question has nothing, per se, to do with popcorn.

    The question, I infer, is more about how much should one defer to a dominant whose questionable thought process isn't necessarily deserving of the highest fealty.

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 9:49:17 AM   
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    I think you're really reaching to find substance in op's question. Mostly I agree with ResidentSadist's advice not to sweat the small stuff. It's so hard to find compatible matches with the chemistry and all the rest we want, fussing about a food issue seems so destructive.

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 10:14:31 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    There's a difference between 'disobeying the person in charge' and 'making sure that the person in charge has all pertinent information needed for making a decision'.

    In this specific "popcorn" case, I think there's an underlying assumption that we can reasonably make, which is that the lack of a reasonable thought process goes wider than just about "popcorn".

    So, if I take off my aspie-of-the-year hat, the question seems to be more of "how can I follow someone whose ideas I don't respect?" more so than "how do I give him the information he needs to make an informed decision".

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    Dominants aren't perfect, they make mistakes. And when they do, there's a respectful appropriate manner in which it's possible to bring that to their attention.

    Therein lies the rub!

    You wimmins have told me, many times, that there are plenty of men you can't tell that they suck at (whatever) without them sulking to the point of them regressing to their fifth-grade potty mouth of "oh yeah, well you are a big fat-assed cunt, so there!" as their defense.

    Yet, not all men are so fragile (we can assume).

    So, we'd need to know from "this" sub how she thinks "this" dom would react if she told said dom that he was ignorant of whatever (popcorn being only a mere vignette of the extent of the matter).

    PS: No matter how she couches it, ignorance seems to be what we're dealing with (or do I see it wrongly?).

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    It's not that hard to go and ask questions, or bring to light new information they might not have had before in an appropriate manner. After you do that, maybe they'll change their minds, maybe they won't. It depends on how relevant they consider the 'new' information you just provided to them.

    Hooo boy.
    I wanna be there watching from that Orwellian TV on her wall when she tells the Dom he's ignorant of popcorn's health benefits!


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    I'm sure that if Kaliko went to Awareness and explain that her doctor told her that she's allergic to some of the Paleo stuff he's got her eating, he'd factor that into his future decisions, and would probably change them.

    Are you REALLY so sure?
    From the OP, I gather that the OP isn't so sure of that.

    But you have a better sense of people than I ever will.
    Even so, I'm not so sure this is so simple as that in "this" situation.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    If, on the other hand, she went and told him that new research shows that the amount of micro-nutrients in the food she's eating are slightly different than he previously thought, but he sees she's still thriving on the diet, he probably wouldn't change his standing orders on food.

    I suspect the problem is way bigger than just popcorn though.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    But after you've provided -what you think is- all the relevant information which -you think- the D-type is missing, an order is an order is an order, and there comes a point where you just have to accept that the order is the way it's going to be, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. Presuming that's the relationship you signed up for, of course.

    Assuming that make sense.
    For example, if she says lick my armpit, you lick her armpit (assuming you signed up for that).

    You don't wax prolifically on how parabens have been linked to hormonal imbalance... you just start licking and ask if you're doing it right.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    Questioning orders over something as trivial as a little extra salt on popcorn, beyond providing the Dominant with relevant information you think they might not have had when giving the order, is an indication that you only really want to obey orders when the order in question is one you find pleasing and 'hot'. It means you want to play a game where you both pretend you're following orders cause it turns you on.

    Ah. I knew you'd find another angle that hadn't been considered.
    It could be this "bratty" sub thing too.

    But I think there's a chance the question is more a "plea" than a real question about "something as trivial as" popcorn.

    The OP would need to enlighten us whether the question is really one of higher respect.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    If it's not, and the s-type actually wants the D-type to be... ya know... in charge, there comes a point where even an order you deem is a mistake has got to be followed. Otherwise, you don't have a relationship where the D-type is in charge, you've got a relationship where the s-type is in charge, and most of the time just humors the D-type into pretending that they're the one in charge.


    Nobody could say "Who'se in charge here anyway?" any better than you just did!


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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 10:46:52 AM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    the question seems to be more of "how can I follow someone whose ideas I don't respect?" more so than "how do I give him the information he needs to make an informed decision".


    You don't follow the orders of somebody whose ideas you don't respect.
    Because if you don't respect somebody's ideas, you've already decided that you aren't going to follow orders you don't like, before the order is even given.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets

    So, we'd need to know from "this" sub how she thinks "this" dom would react if she told said dom that he was ignorant of whatever (popcorn being only a mere vignette of the extent of the matter).



    Maybe he's not ignorant at all. Maybe he knows very well what he's doing nutrition wise, and merely accidently provided her with a link that's inaccurate after not fact checking the entire linked page very well.

    Maybe his order to airpop popcorn has nothing to do with salt content, and everything to do with the fact that vegetable oil of the type she's using is unhealthy (if he's Paleo, for example, that vegetable oil would be entirely off the menu for reasons totally unrelated to salt content).
    If salt content doesn't factor into his decision, whether or not the link he provided is accurate on presumed salt content is irrelevant, because it may explain his reasoning for not allowing vegetable oil very well on all points that matter besides salt content.

    The issue is: Is she signing up to follow orders, or is she signing up for a relationship where they're mutually going to agree on stuff they decide but pretend like she's following orders?

    If it's the first, there's really no reason why he'd have to justify his decision. Even if the decision is based on nothing more than that he doesn't like the smell of oil, it should still be followed.
    If it's the second, then yeah, of course, he's going to have to justify his decision to her, before she'll play alone and pretend to obey him.

    Which relationship does she think she's in, or wants to be in? Which relationship does he think he's in?

    The fact that the OP said: "He is trying to get me to switch to air popped popcorn because it's healthier." is more telling here than the fact that she's questioning the accuracy of his decision.

    If he's "trying" to convince her "because of x reason", it shows that he acknowledges that she ought to only obey him if she agrees, and that if she disagrees, the relationship structure is such that she can just ignore him, instead of pretending to obey him on this issue.

    If he was the one in charge, he wouldn't try to convince her of anything. He would stipulate how things were going to be, and then decide whether or not her concerns were relevant enough to explain his reasoning.
    Chances are that on something as trivial as popcorn, her concerns wouldn't be relevant enough that he would deem it necessary to explain himself, and his motivation, and instead he'd merely expect her to obey, even if his reasons for wanting air-popped popcorn are wrong, or even ridiculous.

    It's one thing to quell insecurity by explaining your motivation on something as big and life changing decisions. Most people in charge (whether in a kinky relationship, in the work-force, or other situations of power-discrepancy) are usually willing to explain why they're leading a certain way, at least to a point, because making sure that your subordinates can have faith in your decisions is part of what good leadership is. Leaders don't justify ever little decision they make though. Even if their reasons for making the decision is trivial, or wrong.


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    ORIGINAL: crumpets

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    I'm sure that if Kaliko went to Awareness and explain that her doctor told her that she's allergic to some of the Paleo stuff he's got her eating, he'd factor that into his future decisions, and would probably change them.

    Are you REALLY so sure?
    From the OP, I gather that the OP isn't so sure of that.

    But you have a better sense of people than I ever will.
    Even so, I'm not so sure this is so simple as that in "this" situation.



    I'm sure in the case of Kaliko and Awareness, because Awareness has a track record of being reasonable and sensible, as well as caring about making decisions that are actually beneficial for Kaliko, instead of making them purely on his own whim.
    As such, the assumption that he'd be reasonable, and would factor in new information, is the prudent one to make in this instance.

    Whether or not that's the case with the OP and her guy I don't know.

    < Message edited by UllrsIshtar -- 3/3/2016 11:02:14 AM >


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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 2:59:36 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Kaliko
    I completely understand what you're saying. But, if she has the expectation that his decisions will be justified to her satisfaction, then who is running things?


    Well, I don't believe in handing over authority until after he's proved that his decisions are up to her standard. Until after she feels safe with him and he's earned her trust not by his words, but by his actions
    Doing it the other way around is putting the cart before the horse.

    In other words she should still be running her life until she feels he merits authority over her.


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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 3:44:15 PM   
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    How about this?
    Changing my popcorn habit is a hard limit. Can we go with I change something else like I give up a donut?

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 4:16:59 PM   
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    quote:

    I'm sure in the case of Kaliko and Awareness, because Awareness has a track record of being reasonable and sensible, as well as caring about making decisions that are actually beneficial for Kaliko, instead of making them purely on his own whim.

    I think Kaliko digs Awareness being unreasonable :)

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 4:19:02 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75

    quote:

    I'm sure in the case of Kaliko and Awareness, because Awareness has a track record of being reasonable and sensible, as well as caring about making decisions that are actually beneficial for Kaliko, instead of making them purely on his own whim.

    I think Kaliko digs Awareness being unreasonable :)


    If that's the case, she's with the wrong dude, cause I don't think I've ever seen him be unreasonable.
    An asshole, sure, but unreasonable (acting without reason/thought) nope.

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    RE: My New Dom Is Trying To Change My Eating Habits - 3/3/2016 4:25:08 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
    If that's the case, she's with the wrong dude, cause I don't think I've ever seen him be unreasonable.
    An asshole, sure, but unreasonable (acting without reason/thought) nope.

    To me, an asshole = unreasonable
    Also, she's not with the wrong dude, if he rocks her world with his type of personality.

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