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Spiritedsub2 -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 9:41:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

What decent advice is going to be able to be given on this subject though? Not much. Most folks already know what the hell is wrong with being a narcissistic douchebag who waxes orgasmic about himself ad nauseum. It was pretty "no shit, Sherlock" when he was on here last month like PMS complaining about the overweight female submissive who tuned him out while he was lecturing her about being overweight too. What decent advice are you giving him by replying to it? Nothing...because he isn't listening anyway.


I would add to this that replying to troll posts with good substantive answers just gives them attention and keeps them coming around for more. Where does muscles get this kind of attention anywhere else in his life? Nowhere.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 10:05:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Nothing...because he isn't listening anyway.



Of course he's not listening. It doesn't matter whether he is or not.

If you tell somebody who throws trash on the floor that doing so is not okay, the person you're talking to isn't going to care, because if they did, they wouldn't have trashed the place to begin with.
Speaking up says to everybody else around that you're not cool with trash on the floor, and if most people speak up and say that they're not cool with it, it sets a community standard that say "this group isn't cool with trash on the floor".

If everybody in the group ignores the person trashing the floor, it say to outsiders looking in "this community is cool with trash on the floor".

Not a single reply on this thread is beneficial for the OP. The only benefit that can be found is with the people reading along.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 10:19:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I would add to this that replying to troll posts with good substantive answers just gives them attention and keeps them coming around for more. Where does muscles get this kind of attention anywhere else in his life? Nowhere.


Ignoring trolls never makes them go away. What it does is make them escalate their trolling, by either posting more, or by posting more offensive, and more outrageous things. Their goal is to get a reaction. They won't go away until they get that reaction. If you ignore them and steal them of the attention they're looking for, they see it as a challenge and will just up the ante more and more... even if it takes starting 50 threads all at ones so that the entire board is nothing but their posts.
Escalation upon being ignored has happened time and time again when people merely ignore troll posts, on forums all over the interwebz. The escalating always continues until the troll is successfully banned. Seeing that CollarChat isn't going to successfully ban him, based on past history, ignoring isn't going to work, it will just escalate stuff more.

Ignoring doesn't work, despite what people claim, because ignoring sends the message to the troll that they just haven't YET been outrageous enough to get the reaction they're looking for, meaning that they should just troll even more.

The only thing that works is giving them the reaction they're looking for, but doing so in a boring, unsatisfactory way. Not getting riled up, not joining in with 'joke' posts, not complaining about the trolling (which shows you're annoyed, with satisfies them), not pleading with others to not reply (which again shows annoyance, which is what they're looking for).

Instead, you give them attention in a boring, dry, factual way. You treat the post as if it's real, and valid, and give the best advice you can.

Doing that does 3 things:
- It shows people reading along what the 'community standard' on the subject is.
- It starves the troll of the attention they're looking for, because all people are doing is posting as they normally would, as if there isn't even a troll post there.
- It gives the thread the potential to actually turn into a decent discussion, because of thread drift.

If they step up the trolling in response to that cut and dry way of dealing with them, you just respond with more cut and dry stuff, again just posting as if it's a normal post, and again showing by example what you think the 'community standard' on the subject is.

The worse thing you can do to a troll is act like you're take them seriously, stay objective, and give the advice you would have given if it was a serious post.

Because taking them seriously, and giving good and objective advice, is the one thing they want nobody to do. They don't want people to continue posting as if it's business-as-usual, because it's the one thing that shows that people aren't getting upset, and aren't bothered by the troll at all.

Meanwhile, if you reply as it's a serious post, and somebody else sees value in what you said, they might reply to that instead of the OP, and before you know it, you actually have a decent discussion going on.






ThatDizzyChick -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 10:53:54 AM)

@OP
Perhaps you're just not as interesting as you seem to think you are




Danemora -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 11:17:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

If you tell somebody who throws trash on the floor that doing so is not okay, the person you're talking to isn't going to care, because if they did, they wouldn't have trashed the place to begin with.
Speaking up says to everybody else around that you're not cool with trash on the floor, and if most people speak up and say that they're not cool with it, it sets a community standard that say "this group isn't cool with trash on the floor".


We see this place very differently, which perhaps might be why we look at this issue differently. To you, it's a club with community standards that must be maintained. To me, it's just a website forum that I don't own or have any control over. So we approach this differently.

Muscles could come in here, drop trou, and drop a big old post Taco Bell binge morning after steaming pile of shit all over the rug. None of us really needs to stand around the pile of shit...discussing it, lamenting about it, telling Muscles its just not cool to shit on the rug, or offering some profound words that some lurker person gains any knowledge they didn't have before on the subject. In other words, there isnt going to be a "holy shit, you mean to tell me it's NOT cool to shit on someone's rug?!?!" epiphany.






UllrsIshtar -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 11:34:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

We see this place very differently, which perhaps might be why we look at this issue differently. To you, it's a club with community standards that must be maintained. To me, it's just a website forum that I don't own or have any control over. So we approach this differently.

Muscles could come in here, drop trou, and drop a big old post Taco Bell binge morning after steaming pile of shit all over the rug. None of us really needs to stand around the pile of shit...discussing it, lamenting about it, telling Muscles its just not cool to shit on the rug, or offering some profound words that some lurker person gains any knowledge they didn't have before on the subject. In other words, there isnt going to be a "holy shit, you mean to tell me it's NOT cool to shit on someone's rug?!?!" epiphany.





If that's the case, then why do you care if other people reply to him?

If it doesn't matter, and it's just a random webforum, and nothing said matters, then it shouldn't matter if other people choose to discuss the trash he's leaving around, or why they're bothering discussing it.

The only way anything productive can come from a troll is when people ignore the fact that it's a troll post, and make the most sensible replies possible despite the troll being a troll. It's the only way the thread can drift into something decent, that might end up adding some value somewhere.

Anything short from that type of reply, including ignoring it, does nothing besides multiple the trash.




Danemora -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 11:55:39 AM)

No one told you you couldn't dance to his tune though. By all means, dance away. But that doesn't mean everyone needs to dance to yours as far as how to reply to others here goes either. Handle it however you wish. I handled it my way.




Danemora -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 11:59:10 AM)

Double post




UllrsIshtar -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 12:02:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Danemora

But that doesn't mean everyone needs to dance to yours as far as how to reply to others here goes either.


I've never said they should. What I did was explain my reasoning for replying to him, and why I don't think it matters whether he's a troll or not when replying to him. The whole point of explaining why I'm replying as I'm doing is exactly to do what I said I'm trying: add substance and maybe create a thread drift that's more interesting than the OP's nonsense.

You have to admit that arguing about what the best way to handle a troll is a whole lot more interesting than debating narcissism in the OP, right (even if it's on the grand scale of things, not that interesting at all). [:D]

Reply as you like. I'm not trying to imply that you have to agree, or do it my way. *shrugs*






Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 2:43:29 PM)

Is Musclebound a troll? I don't think so myself.
I think he just truly doesn't understand he has to give a little back.
So get with the program, narcissist or not, learn to give something back, and your luck will change.




DesFIP -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 2:52:16 PM)

What's wrong with being a narcissist is that there isn't any room there for another person.

It's fine that he is one, as long as he's willing to accept the consequence which is that no one else will want to or try to fit into his life.

But if he really does want someone to love him and to love, then he'll be unhappy. Because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

He can get some help and learn to make space for someone else or he can be happy alone. He can't do both.




Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 3:00:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

What's wrong with being a narcissist is that there isn't any room there for another person.

It's fine that he is one, as long as he's willing to accept the consequence which is that no one else will want to or try to fit into his life.

But if he really does want someone to love him and to love, then he'll be unhappy. Because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

He can get some help and learn to make space for someone else or he can be happy alone. He can't do both.


Totally agree.
If he wants someone, he will learn to give back or he definitely will be alone. Or there will be the series of one nighters and no substancial relationship.




DesFIP -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 3:03:45 PM)

Unfortunately narcissism is a personality disorder and they're hard to treat. Because usually people with them don't want to change.

People with mood disorders often are committed to changing, they know that how they feel isn't normal, isn't healthy, and they want out of it.

Personality disorders usually are fine with being like this, they simply expect the whole world to change to fit them.




Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 3:18:27 PM)

By God, is that the problem? I've been waiting for the world to dance to my tune and everybody gets mad at me and won't do it!
But it's all them, I just know it!!!
I can admit I have self centered tendencies but not a narcissist.
I found it feels really satisfying to do good things for others and actually brings more joy the. Just pleasing yourself. But that comes with age.




mousekabob -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/3/2016 5:04:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Because narcissists are spoilt children and children are incapable of handling the responsibility for another person's welfare.



This




thorneyone -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/4/2016 12:28:05 AM)

A lot on here seem to deny an iota of redemption. They reinforce their own conceit.




MuscleBoundDom -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/6/2016 8:25:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom
I have to disagree with everyone.

If I took a poll, in the Submission section, and asked the question, "When you are serving your Master, is it all about him?"
I bet most everyone would vote, "Yes"

If that's the case, why do you think you are failing at getting what you want where other people succeed? Do you really believe that the problem is everybody else, rather than you?


Many are saying,
"The majority of the D/s BDSM community is made up of people that can't sustain a relationship longer than 6 months"
And yet others are saying that a lot of people succeed.




MuscleBoundDom -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/6/2016 8:36:08 AM)

@Danemora
@UllrsIshtar
@Spiritedsub2

A troll doesn't ask questions that he/she wants to know the answers to. I'm interested in the responses.
However, a troll does "troll" through the posts and shut down anything they don't like. They love to make negative comments and accuse other people of being trolls and socks. You don't have to respond to posts that you don't like.
Next time you accuse people of being trolls you should look in the mirror.




Danemora -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/6/2016 8:49:57 AM)

Your posting history here has given you the reputation you have. The only one who was responsible for that is you, homie.




MuscleBoundDom -> RE: What's wrong with Narcissism anyway? (3/6/2016 8:56:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Your posting history here has given you the reputation you have. The only one who was responsible for that is you, homie.


The same back to you!




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