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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 6:56:15 PM   
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Awareness, I find you very interesting.
You are not politically correct and you tend to be thought provoking.

I have to read more of your posts.
Interesting indeed.


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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 7:03:27 PM   
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Apart for standing up against any violence in my own life, I physically do much about it, Mentally? I grew up with "terrorism" being too close to home. I despise all terrorists. ALways have, always will.

Here are a few that I admire...george washington,thomas jefferson,george mason,john jay,james madison john adams. While each had some grevious personal failings I am pretty happy that they had other less pedestrian goals.




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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 7:14:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

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ORIGINAL: Marini


Ironically, Brussels


is in Belgium.

People from Belgium are Belgians....

anyway from what I've heard the police in Belgium are not the best. Despite having a big problem with immigrants there is aparantly very little trust and communication between the police and the security services. They speak 2 different languages(it's a very small country) and there are something like 196 different police zones.

Some shit needs to be got together I think



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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/22/2016 7:47:32 PM   
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I've just got word that my mother is actually close to somebody who got injured (I don't know the injured party personally)

I hope s/he heals quickly and completely.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 8:10:04 PM   
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I am a realist... I seldom have my head in the clouds and sometimes the wisest path is not the most humane... but still the best.

Not that long ago we had, on this board, a spirited discussion on refugees. Many here in the US were worried about terrorists embedded in the refugees and thought it wise to be more selective on who we allowed within our borders. We wanted to slow things down and be more careful in screening.

I remember how this view was looked down upon by many outside the US. Conservatives, even though it was liberals as well, were accused of being less civilized than noble Europe.

I wonder over the last year if this notion of American barbarism may be looked at in a new light? I would bet the people of France, Turkey, Belgium, and to some extent Germany are realizing we were right.

There are no good or even humane answers to this tragedy… it will now just have to play out. Its too late to send them back.

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RE: Brussels, Belgium - 3/22/2016 8:18:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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I've just got word that my mother is actually close to somebody who got injured (I don't know the injured party personally)

I hope s/he heals quickly and completely.

Amen

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:06:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

As a solid moderate, and somewhat of a feminist, I'm glad I don't fall into the picture you painted.
It's sad we live in a society that people feel compelled to live up to whatever political faction they believe in.

I am divergent, thus faction less.
I am not happy with any of my political choices in the US.
We bicker like animals, and we the people have been sold out by BOTH sides a long time ago.
Democrats and Republicans are bought and paid for by big money, and serve global and corporate interests.

Democracy? Really?
Not these days

I hope to live long enough to see ONE President elected that does not appear to be bought and sold,
by corporate interests.


Have you considered/looked at a third party candidate? 5% of the vote changes quite a bit and there's no louder message to the Democratic and Republican parties than voting for a third-party candidate.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:11:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

"Made in the USA."



Incisive article originally published by GR in September 2014

Much like Al Qaeda, the Islamic State (ISIS) is made-in-the-USA, an instrument of terror designed to divide and conquer the oil-rich Middle East and to counter Iran’s growing influence in the region.

The fact that the United States has a long and torrid history of backing terrorist groups will surprise only those who watch the news and ignore history.

The CIA first aligned itself with extremist Islam during the Cold War era. Back then, America saw the world in rather simple terms: on one side, the Soviet Union and Third World nationalism, which America regarded as a Soviet tool; on the other side, Western nations and militant political Islam, which America considered an ally in the struggle against the Soviet Union.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, General William Odom recently remarked, “by any measure the U.S. has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the U.S. would be in violation.”

During the 1970′s the CIA used the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as a barrier, both to thwart Soviet expansion and prevent the spread of Marxist ideology among the Arab masses. The United States also openly supported Sarekat Islam against Sukarno in Indonesia, and supported the Jamaat-e-Islami terror group against Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in Pakistan. Last but certainly not least, there is Al Qaeda.

Lest we forget, the CIA gave birth to Osama Bin Laden and breastfed his organization during the 1980′s. Former British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western intelligence agencies. Mr. Cook explained that Al Qaeda, which literally means an abbreviation of “the database” in Arabic, was originally the computer database of the thousands of Islamist extremists, who were trained by the CIA and funded by the Saudis, in order to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.

America’s relationship with Al Qaeda has always been a love-hate affair. Depending on whether a particular Al Qaeda terrorist group in a given region furthers American interests or not, the U.S. State Department either funds or aggressively targets that terrorist group. Even as American foreign policy makers claim to oppose Muslim extremism, they knowingly foment it as a weapon of foreign policy.

The Islamic State is its latest weapon that, much like Al Qaeda, is certainly backfiring. ISIS recently rose to international prominence after its thugs began beheading American journalists. Now the terrorist group controls an area the size of the United Kingdom.

In order to understand why the Islamic State has grown and flourished so quickly, one has to take a look at the organization’s American-backed roots. The 2003 American invasion and occupation of Iraq created the pre-conditions for radical Sunni groups, like ISIS, to take root. America, rather unwisely, destroyed Saddam Hussein’s secular state machinery and replaced it with a predominantly Shiite administration. The U.S. occupation caused vast unemployment in Sunni areas, by rejecting socialism and closing down factories in the naive hope that the magical hand of the free market would create jobs. Under the new U.S.-backed Shiite regime, working class Sunni’s lost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Unlike the white Afrikaners in South Africa, who were allowed to keep their wealth after regime change, upper class Sunni’s were systematically dispossessed of their assets and lost their political influence. Rather than promoting religious integration and unity, American policy in Iraq exacerbated sectarian divisions and created a fertile breading ground for Sunni discontent, from which Al Qaeda in Iraq took root.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) used to have a different name: Al Qaeda in Iraq. After 2010 the group rebranded and refocused its efforts on Syria.

There are essentially three wars being waged in Syria: one between the government and the rebels, another between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and yet another between America and Russia. It is this third, neo-Cold War battle that made U.S. foreign policy makers decide to take the risk of arming Islamist rebels in Syria, because Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, is a key Russian ally. Rather embarrassingly, many of these Syrian rebels have now turned out to be ISIS thugs, who are openly brandishing American-made M16 Assault rifles.

America’s Middle East policy revolves around oil and Israel. The invasion of Iraq has partially satisfied Washington’s thirst for oil, but ongoing air strikes in Syria and economic sanctions on Iran have everything to do with Israel. The goal is to deprive Israel’s neighboring enemies, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Palestine’s Hamas, of crucial Syrian and Iranian support.

ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government; it is also used to put pressure on Iran.

The last time Iran invaded another nation was in 1738. Since independence in 1776, the U.S. has been engaged in over 53 military invasions and expeditions. Despite what the Western media’s war cries would have you believe, Iran is clearly not the threat to regional security, Washington is. An Intelligence Report published in 2012, endorsed by all sixteen U.S. intelligence agencies, confirms that Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Truth is, any Iranian nuclear ambition, real or imagined, is as a result of American hostility towards Iran, and not the other way around.

America is using ISIS in three ways: to attack its enemies in the Middle East, to serve as a pretext for U.S. military intervention abroad, and at home to foment a manufactured domestic threat, used to justify the unprecedented expansion of invasive domestic surveillance.

By rapidly increasing both government secrecy and surveillance, Mr. Obama’s government is increasing its power to watch its citizens, while diminishing its citizens’ power to watch their government. Terrorism is an excuse to justify mass surveillance, in preparation for mass revolt.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881





Bullshit.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:13:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am a realist... I seldom have my head in the clouds and sometimes the wisest path is not the most humane... but still the best.

Not that long ago we had, on this board, a spirited discussion on refugees. Many here in the US were worried about terrorists embedded in the refugees and thought it wise to be more selective on who we allowed within our borders. We wanted to slow things down and be more careful in screening.

I remember how this view was looked down upon by many outside the US. Conservatives, even though it was liberals as well, were accused of being less civilized than noble Europe.

I wonder over the last year if this notion of American barbarism may be looked at in a new light? I would bet the people of France, Turkey, Belgium, and to some extent Germany are realizing we were right.

There are no good or even humane answers to this tragedy… it will now just have to play out. Its too late to send them back.

Butch


5000 known jihadis in Europe. 100 in brussels. It took 4 months to capture 1.

Uhuh. And trump is the idiot...

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:19:48 PM   
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5000 known jihadis in Europe. 100 in brussels. It took 4 months to capture 1.

Uhuh. And trump is the idiot...

Trumph and you make two.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:22:53 PM   
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Great post.

Except that it is supposed to be a thread about the recent bombings, not feminism.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:29:42 PM   
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Except that it is supposed to be a thread about the recent bombings, not feminism.

When you carry a gun and get punked for your lunch money and you are too offensive to get laid then you talk about guns and how phoqued up women are and little else.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:38:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am a realist... I seldom have my head in the clouds and sometimes the wisest path is not the most humane... but still the best.

Not that long ago we had, on this board, a spirited discussion on refugees. Many here in the US were worried about terrorists embedded in the refugees and thought it wise to be more selective on who we allowed within our borders. We wanted to slow things down and be more careful in screening.

I remember how this view was looked down upon by many outside the US. Conservatives, even though it was liberals as well, were accused of being less civilized than noble Europe.

I wonder over the last year if this notion of American barbarism may be looked at in a new light? I would bet the people of France, Turkey, Belgium, and to some extent Germany are realizing we were right.

There are no good or even humane answers to this tragedy… it will now just have to play out. Its too late to send them back.

Butch


Do you realise the vast majority of those "evil" refugees are trying to get away from those murdering cunts we call terrorists???


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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:41:22 PM   
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Do you realise the vast majority of those "evil" refugees are trying to get away from those murdering cunts we call terrorists???

He does not object to allowing the white christian ones in it is dark skinned non christian that he objects to.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:54:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I am a realist... I seldom have my head in the clouds and sometimes the wisest path is not the most humane... but still the best.

Not that long ago we had, on this board, a spirited discussion on refugees. Many here in the US were worried about terrorists embedded in the refugees and thought it wise to be more selective on who we allowed within our borders. We wanted to slow things down and be more careful in screening.

I remember how this view was looked down upon by many outside the US. Conservatives, even though it was liberals as well, were accused of being less civilized than noble Europe.

I wonder over the last year if this notion of American barbarism may be looked at in a new light? I would bet the people of France, Turkey, Belgium, and to some extent Germany are realizing we were right.

There are no good or even humane answers to this tragedy… it will now just have to play out. Its too late to send them back.

Butch


Do you realise the vast majority of those "evil" refugees are trying to get away from those murdering cunts we call terrorists???



Certainly. And?


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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:57:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Do you realise the vast majority of those "evil" refugees are trying to get away from those murdering cunts we call terrorists???

He does not object to allowing the white christian ones in it is dark skinned non christian that he objects to.


Go fuck yourself thompson. I've already posted I'm perfectly fine with denying entry to anyone from the middleast. Race, creed, color, sex. I really don't give a fuck.

Most are illiterate. They don't have the surivival skills - literacy, english, computer skills. They didn't choose to come here they are seeking to escape a war.
So while I completely support setting up refugee camps in turkey, jordan syria, there is no suggestion that its a good policy to bring them here.

Humanitarian aid does not HAVE to mean stupidity.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 9:58:47 PM   
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Yes the message is...ha ha ha...throw your vote away dumb ass...see if we care. Now that is not what I say but it would be what the party leaders would say.

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 10:00:23 PM   
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Running away yes

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 10:07:42 PM   
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Lucy there is a difference between refugees and immigrants. I have never advocated turning them away from aid. Through the UN there should have been refugee camps set up and maintained in a humane manner until the refugees could return home. Those that wanted to permanently Immigrate could then be properly vetted. There would still be some terrorists that could get through the system but at least a attempt would have been made to limit them.

Butch

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RE: Brussels Belgian - 3/22/2016 10:14:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Do you realise the vast majority of those "evil" refugees are trying to get away from those murdering cunts we call terrorists???

He does not object to allowing the white christian ones in it is dark skinned non christian that he objects to.


Go fuck yourself thompson. I've already posted I'm perfectly fine with denying entry to anyone from the middleast. Race, creed, color, sex. I really don't give a fuck.

Most are illiterate. They don't have the surivival skills - literacy, english, computer skills. They didn't choose to come here they are seeking to escape a war.
So while I completely support setting up refugee camps in turkey, jordan syria, there is no suggestion that its a good policy to bring them here.

Humanitarian aid does not HAVE to mean stupidity.

As neither of us really give a shit about your feelings, i will point out that we were disussin butches post, not you or your post, take your indignant ass off.
Stop being a bloody drama queen.


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