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ORIGINAL: teentie

in the U>K> we have what is called the NHS.

which is why all the scum of the earth come here.

go to a doctors surgery on the NHS.

full of foreign useless immigrants..

my father is a Doctor. now only works for private patients.

TAUGHT ME YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

1) Insurance rations healthcare (rationing must be a dodge topic in any system).
2) http://journal.practicelink.com/vital-stats/physician-compensation-worldwide/ (the truth is stranger than fiction)
3) If I pay 100 dollars tax, and 900 health insurance premium, how is that different than they guy paying 1000 tax and no health insurance premium.


I dont know we need everyone committed. It would be nice, but this country does a pretty good job of collecting taxes from us, and we aint all-in-all-done on that issue.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a challenge for RO,
Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing.
The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem.
Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok.
Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse.
I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems.

How does Canada determine who is or who isn't "financially secure?" Other than healthcare, what social welfare benefits would this family be using?

You have to sign a statement stating that you will cover expenses for your family for ten years, no welfare, no housing, He may claim housing/welfare but the family will not be counted as "legal" dependents.
He pays his taxes, his family will get basic health insurance. but with a downs child, theres also schooling expenses if its outside of the local school long term care is a possibility, caring for a downs child is hard, many need carer help. WHich can put a strain on the "government" over the years.
IE< a friend of mine has a brother who has downs (he is now 50) Their parents died when he was 15 and she took over caring for him, he has a lot of problems over the years with housing, jobs, training, hospitalisations, and is now in a permanent care home, because she cant look after him by herself. That is a problem. Also for the record certain mental illnesses are a medical reason to be denied immigration.
BTW you cant be a permanent resident before being accepted by immigration.
You can be a landed citizen for a few years before immigration is approved.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a challenge for RO,
Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?

They accepted the families down payment.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Yeh I am making a point, the point is socialized health care is health care for the healthy.

BULL...SHIT !!

In the US EVERYTHING is ALL ABOUT the fucking MONEY !! Look at cancer, a disease most should never get.

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FDA Allows Final Phase Review of Dr. Burzynski’s Lifesaving Brain Cancer Treatment to Proceed


By anh-usa on July 8, 2014

Healthcare Monopolies, Reform FDA

A doctor is taking blood for test.This also means that additional patients will receive the treatment while it is being studied.

It will be a Phase III study, in which the treatment is given to large groups of people to confirm its effectiveness. The patients will be split into two random groups. One group will receive just radiation therapy, and the other group will receive antineoplastins with radiation therapy. Our heart goes out to members of the first group, because Phase II and earlier treatments make it very clear that the treatment works.

Readers will recall our article about how dying patients have until recently been denied access to the treatment under the FDA’s compassionate use program. Even when the agency finally relented under the pressure of stories about dying children, it still put roadblocks in the way, such as not allowing Dr. Burzynski himself to administer the treatment, so that the dying children had to find other doctors willing to offend the FDA and agree to do it.

Keep in mind also that the treatment had been freely available in Dr. Burzynski’s clinic until the FDA tried to shut him down and insisted on formal trials in exchange for relenting. It is possible that the FDA had assumed that formal trials would end the treatment because the necessary funds would not be raised.

All of this was just another chapter in the saga of the FDA’s antagonism toward antineoplaston therapy, and the longtime persecution of Dr. Burzinski by the medical establishment, even though he was saving lives and there were no other good treatments to offer his patients.

Editor�s Note: This article was updated on 10

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Joanne T Becker • 2 years ago

Where is all this anti-Burzynski comment coming from? This man has been persecuted, jailed, fined, and tricked into believing he would have an opportunity to a genuine FDA clinical trial, This was done by a doctor he trusted who spearheaded a bogus trial in collusion with the FDA, not using the recommended protocols Dr. Burzynski set up and causing failure of the process.

He was hauled to a hearing before Congress, with his successfully treated patients in attendance, and found by Congress to be innocent of all charges. He is not the only one to have been subjected to this treatment. Big Pharma and the FDA are not likely to give up until they subdue this good man permanently and bankrupt him. Their own failures of treatment are not dragged onto the front pages, but Dr. Burzynski is fair game for their abuse, reviled and treated shabbily.

Follow the money, folks: the establishment, including the AMA is reluctant to give up the perks of treating cancer by burning, poisoning and slashing patients, as long as insurance companies pay for it. Dr. B is entitled to charge for his treatments, as he has underwritten the entire costs for his R &D, his equipment and personal care for all these years, without being able to collect from the insurance companies. I would venture to state he is not happy to have to use chemo along with his antineoplaston therapy, however, and wonder if that wouldn't skew the results.

In my view, this doctor is a saint and the AMA et al, it the devil!

The real problem is the crookocracy, and now they get to handle it all nationally. You are in good hands with US!

The solution is more crookocracy but start making and/or ENFORCING laws that get rid of these fucking extortionist insiders. Hell I have stood beside attorneys in court that lie their fucking asses off and its the courts duty to sanction them and they do NOTHING, and worse they accept the lies and will rule against you!

Clean the fucking place up, get rid of the ability for gubmints ability to be a parasite and all the medical problems as well as most problems in the US will magically disappear. Pleany of law to keep you in line few to keep them in line.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a challenge for RO,
Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?

They accepted the families down payment.

downpayment?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
When you come to canada, under family,sponsorship, the sponsor has to guarantee that each family member is financially secure for a period of ten years, this is partially to stop immigrants from coming here and using welfare, benefits etc. Now healthcare is given to new immigrants after the initial period, of about 4 months. But any health issue questioned will lead to a hearing.
The prof has been here 3 years. He knew there might be a problem.
Every single one of us had to get a medical testing of various types before we were given the final ok.
Immigration here is a multiple pain in the arse.
I understand that york u faculty and staff are trying to find a way to work around it, but apparently his son has more than a few problems.

How does Canada determine who is or who isn't "financially secure?" Other than healthcare, what social welfare benefits would this family be using?

You have to sign a statement stating that you will cover expenses for your family for ten years, no welfare, no housing, He may claim housing/welfare but the family will not be counted as "legal" dependents.
He pays his taxes, his family will get basic health insurance. but with a downs child, theres also schooling expenses if its outside of the local school long term care is a possibility, caring for a downs child is hard, many need carer help. WHich can put a strain on the "government" over the years.
IE< a friend of mine has a brother who has downs (he is now 50) Their parents died when he was 15 and she took over caring for him, he has a lot of problems over the years with housing, jobs, training, hospitalisations, and is now in a permanent care home, because she cant look after him by herself. That is a problem. Also for the record certain mental illnesses are a medical reason to be denied immigration.
BTW you cant be a permanent resident before being accepted by immigration.
You can be a landed citizen for a few years before immigration is approved.

What do you mean a "landed citizen?" Does that equate to being a "property owner?" How long does it take to immigrate into Canada?

When you are adjudicated to be allowed into canada, as an immigrant, depending on the level of immigration class ie (worker/sponsored/businessowner)

You sign paperwork assuring certain things(such as being financially sufficient for ten years, to follow all laws etc etc) you are given a permanent resident card, or landed papers. You can then work, play, pay taxes, live, own a house, have kids go to school, get healthcare, but not vote or I believe join the RCMP. At least until you become a full citizen.

I believe there is a financial amount of a few hundred thousand to invest in canada, in the business class of immigration, but I came in on sponsorship via my husband. I cant tell you the rules now as they have changed. It usually takes 3-4 years now, but when I came over it was sposed to take seven, took a bit longer than that.


So, an immigrant has to sign an affidavit or something that his spouse and kids won't be a drain on the local welfare system for 10 years, or else they won't be allowed to immigrate. What happens if that 10-year pledge is broken?

Yes the sponsor signs as a kind of surety, As far as I know .... it can go to a court hearing on repayment of welfare benefits


Canadian officials are playing the odds with this family. They have no proof that this kid will be a burden on the system any more than the next kid.
It depends on the level of downs the child has.

Believe me, going thru immigration is unpleasant, and a lot of families have health issues and it is not pleasant knowing that your new life may soon be obliterated for bureaucracy and I feel for this man and his family very deeply especially as he happens to be one of the senior profs where my daughter is getting her masters.
My Gran was seriously ill in 95, I went home for a visit to see her before she passed, when I got back to canada, I was held in detention for I think it was 12 hours, (with my hubby and kids in the airport waiting for me not knowing what had happened.) before they could get my paperwork sorted out. that little indiscretion put two years on my immigration status.


This is one example of how things can go awry when the taxpayer is the one footing the bill. The video brings up other things that cause more taxpayer money to be spent, too. Why is it okay to bar someone from bringing in his family because one son will likely cost taxpayers more. Do they consider that the average lifespan is only 60 years? Will the government outlaw smoking because it costs taxpayers more for health costs? What about obesity or alcohol? Maybe they'll just add a special health care tax to smokers and the obese.

Please note that most countries have the same restrictions on families with a disability, as I showed.

PS its IS a long time ago that I emigrated, and the rules change often, so my info not linked may be difference. Its based on my experience only.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a challenge for RO,
Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?

They accepted the families down payment.

downpayment?

yep should have listened to the clip, they PAID taxes, which the gubmint accepted. Those taxes were due consideration for services offered, hence services expected, now they renig on the contract.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I have a challenge for RO,
Please give me the name of a country that allows immigrants in with the various medical problems discussed, and that will pay for long term disabled immigrants medical care?

They accepted the families down payment.

downpayment?

yep should have listened to the clip, they PAID taxes, which the gubmint accepted. Those taxes were due consideration for services offered, hence services expected, now they renig on the contract.

I dont watch your clips.
Of course they paid taxes. But immigration rules (on people with certain types of illnesses)...are not hidden, no matter what he believed.
Hmmmm taxes cover a lot of sins...


By the way....you still havent answered my question....why is that?

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What do you mean a "landed citizen?"

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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What do you mean a "landed citizen?"

Nothing. The term is Landed Immigrant

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

aaaaah so there isnt, but "its irrelevant" because it doesnt fit your narrative.
As there is no country that does what you are expecting canada to do, is EXACTLY the point.
I wish disabled people and their families could reside where they wish,
I wish disabled people had amazing care for their entire lives, canadian citizens, native canadians and immigrants.
I wish there were no poverty no drugs, no guns, no violence no hate and no greed,
I wish everyone got well after a disease or trauma, I wish everyone could live in peace
Shit in one hand, wish in the other, see what happens.

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Argument from Inertia (also “Stay the Course”). The fallacy that it is necessary to continue on a mistaken course of action even after discovering it is mistaken, because changing course would mean admitting one's decision (or one's leader, or one's faith) was wrong, and all one's effort, expense and sacrifice was for nothing, and that's unthinkable. A variety of the Argument from Consequences, E for Effort, or the Appeal to Tradition.

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So by default you admit all these marvy national systems have serious flaws.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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So by default you admit all these marvy national systems have serious flaws.

Nobody said they didn't, they are just better than the alternative.