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Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 10:50:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had my first Pro-Domme experience from Backpage.
She charges $300 Incall and $400 Outcall. She was running an Easter Special at $100 off for either.
I had her come to my place and she looked pretty much like her pictures.
Dressed average - jeans, tennis shoes and shirt. Nothing fancy.
She said her Incall is at her apartment but doesn't like seeing clients there because it's always a mess.

It was a nice experience. She said she sees about 20 customers a week. Wow, at least $6,000 a week!
She only advertises on Backpage.

But I wonder if she is telling me the truth. If she is, then wouldn't more women do it?


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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 10:57:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		How long did she give you for that $400 outcall ? It's simple enough to work out if it's possible for her to cater to 20 clients a week ( depending on how many days she works of course) and how long she allows herself between clients . It seems reasonable though. Straight-sex working girls here charge about $250 an hour incalls and $300+ an hour for outcalls. They usually allow about a half hour between incall clients, so you can guess at their earnings.
I have no idea why many girls/women won't do it. Possibly because they have been brought up to believe there is some kind of stigma attached to the industry. I don't see it that way, but who knows ?

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 11:03:21 PM   
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How long did she give you for that $400 outcall ? It's simple enough to work out if it's possible for her to cater to 20 clients a week ( depending on how many days she works of course) and how long she allows herself between clients . It seems reasonable though. Straight-sex working girls here charge about $250 an hour incalls and $300+ an hour for outcalls. They usually allow about a half hour between incall clients, so you can guess at their earnings.
I have no idea why many girls/women won't do it. Possibly because they have been brought up to believe there is some kind of stigma attached to the industry. I don't see it that way, but who knows ?



It was for one hour. It was only $300 for the Outcall because of the her Easter special.
If a woman was submissive she could take acting classes. $6,000 a week is a great incentive!

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 11:09:03 PM   
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If she is, then wouldn't more women do it?

Because it takes both a certain mindset, and a rather specialized skill set.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 11:25:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		The skillset can be learned and/or faked. The mindset ? Who knows, you are probably right Dizzy. I don't think I ever had much in the way of morals, so if a woman chose that path, it never bothered me at all.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 11:26:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		And yes, without too much effort, she should easily be able to clear $6000 a week and still leave her weekends free for her own amusements I would reckon.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 11:46:50 PM   
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The skillset can be learned and/or faked. The mindset ? Who knows, you are probably right Dizzy. I don't think I ever had much in the way of morals, so if a woman chose that path, it never bothered me at all.

Too many men don't think like that.
But as with any job, you need the stomach for it, especially if you don't naturally enjoy it.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/28/2016 11:57:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the girls I know in the sex-industry, on whatever level, enjoy their work and enjoy the money it brings. I know of accountants, nurses, solicitors and even an ex-cop who are doing it and have been here for barbecues and told stories that would have you holding your sides from laughing. The great thing about this country is that the sex industry is legal, subject to certain conditions, and less and less people look down on it or the women who are in it.
As for the BDSM or D & s side of it, the girl would need a reasonable place to practice it, or a suitcase with her main-equipment packed into it. That's why most just opt for the straight sex or similar. There is excellent money to be made in the sex-industry, whichever career path you choose *smile*

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 12:49:56 AM   
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All the girls I know in the sex-industry, on whatever level, enjoy their work and enjoy the money it brings. I know of accountants, nurses, solicitors and even an ex-cop who are doing it and have been here for barbecues and told stories that would have you holding your sides from laughing. The great thing about this country is that the sex industry is legal, subject to certain conditions, and less and less people look down on it or the women who are in it.
As for the BDSM or D & s side of it, the girl would need a reasonable place to practice it, or a suitcase with her main-equipment packed into it. That's why most just opt for the straight sex or similar. There is excellent money to be made in the sex-industry, whichever career path you choose *smile*


I'm pretty sure it's just your circle. You probably socialise with a certain group of people who is into these things. Majority of Australians won't be cool with it.
Yea but i am saying, more women don't do it, because not all woman will have the stomach for it.

Like take for example. Everything that a dominant woman do is distasteful to me, since I am submissive slanted. I cringe if I had to top a guy. No amount of money can convince me to do so.

Whereas those who naturally have the inclination to dominate, yea, it would be a great job for them.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 12:58:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		you could be right Greta but I socialise with just about anybody as long as they aren't narrow minded, bigoted, hypocritical or just plain prejudiced against anybody in their chosen way of life.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 8:13:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Every second profile on here from Scotland is a pro domme. (go look yourself) So I will extrapolate that for the rest of the world, rightly or wrongly - which I sometimes are. But many them are of hideous aspect I would surely wretch from deep within my belly and demand a higher charge from them visiting me with such wretchedness, belly aches. and PTWDS (post traumatic wretched domme syndrome it so is a thing)

No.

Few perhaps. And if they work in one location they turn into whinny little bitches who will tear each other eyes out of their sockets for the sake of a fiver (£5)

But some will have regular clientel (nope cant spell that) and will not be short of cake/shoe money. You, yes I know that is you, seem fascinated with that lot. And if she was advertised you can have no complaints.

I think if I charged £1000 I would certain be declared a national institution and my prowess, with wanton urchins, the stuff of legend:
Deriding their choice of shoes.
Telling them mother time has ravished them oh so cruelly.
Telling all they look like tub of lard
Their roots show.
Then water boarding them with my spunk – and if they wish to taste it again they can get it on muffinbay patent pending I must google that one day to see if it’s a real thingy under the propriety brand name of essence of muffin for a measly all their worldly belongings. And when they have no more cash left to give me I will visit upon their wanton bodies, and souls, 87 and a half thrashings, thence sell them into slavery. The lookers I will keep and steer them on a path muffin villainery

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 10:07:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, because they can't do this 40 hours a week.

Plus, getting and keeping clients is difficult. They have to be able to vet them, to pay for investigating them. If they don't, they're likely to get badly harmed.

The costumes, the implements, all are pricey and need replacing regularly.
If she has her own place, there's rent and utilities.

She shouldn't operate out of her home because then a client she doesn't want to know where she lives will be more able to stalk and harm her.

And she should have a bouncer on premises who will keep an eye on the session and be able to rescue her.

So how many new sessions have you booked? Because if the rest of her clients are like you, only booking once in a blue moon when they can do so for cheap, she isn't earning that much.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 11:44:45 AM   
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No, because they can't do this 40 hours a week.
She said she sees about 20 a week, so I assume it would be 20 hours a week.

Plus, getting and keeping clients is difficult. They have to be able to vet them, to pay for investigating them. If they don't, they're likely to get badly harmed.
As far as I know, she didn't investigate me. I called her from her Backpage listing and she came over that day.

The costumes, the implements, all are pricey and need replacing regularly.
She just wore jeans, tee shirt and tennis shoes. Nothing fancy.

If she has her own place, there's rent and utilities.
She has to pay for rent and utilities for her apartment even if she doesn't use her place.

She shouldn't operate out of her home because then a client she doesn't want to know where she lives will be more able to stalk and harm her.

And she should have a bouncer on premises who will keep an eye on the session and be able to rescue her.
She came to my place alone. I didn't see anyone else.

So how many new sessions have you booked? Because if the rest of her clients are like you, only booking once in a blue moon when they can do so for cheap, she isn't earning that much.
I only booked one session, which was $300. I won't book another one.


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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 12:03:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are legal, social, and sometimes physical risks to sex work. People who take significant risks will often expect to be paid more. And will often be paid it, since those risks mean that supply is tight. Supply is an important factor to economics as well.

That's before you get into the parts where one needs a very specific sort of personality to go into that line of work (thus further narrowing the supply of willing women), and that even a "jeans, t-shirt, and tennis shoes" look will need to be carefully curated. Fashion, grooming, and bodily maintenance are still things, even if she's not coming over with a leather catsuit.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 12:37:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subbybound
But I wonder if she is telling me the truth. If she is, then wouldn't more women do it?


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I edited this post to limit it to Backpage Pro-Dommes. I realize other Pro-Dommes rent a dungeon, dress up, which all can be very expensive.

Not all women would do it based solely on whether the money is good or not. Personally, I don't because when I play, I want it to be at my discretion, engaging in what I enjoy, having the liberty to play at BDSM clubs, and I really dislike the concept of anybody renting me or buying my time.

I'm a little skeptical that the person you booked is really getting 20 client hours per week if you were able to arrange your session the next day. She also offered a discount rate for a holiday weekend, which means she didn't already have clients lined up from her repeat customers. I'm more likely to think she *could* set up to 20 appointments a week or that might have been one of her higher weeks, but it's not consistent.

Very few pros will get 20 clients per week and be able to maintain the pace for a long time. A lot of pros burn out. It's also my understanding that the business has changed quite a bit over the years and that's why a lot of the pros are adding on things like clips4sale and phone work.



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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 1:40:54 PM   
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I'm so glad I'm just a simple sadist and don't have to worry about this stuff. I still requirement payment, of course, but the currency is blood not cash.

Now that I think about it though.. folks seem much more eager to part with their cash than their blood. The ones who are willing to shed blood for me.. they're priceless. How can I possibly charge someone who is priceless! :D

Ah, epiphany.. it's no wonder that most of my heroes wear combat boots.. they are willing to shed their blood for me. I just 'got' that. ::laughs:: Uniforms.. ::drools::

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 4:06:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I pro dommed for a while but out of a dungeon, while it was all legal (Europe) causing lasting damage or any damage wasn't so I was damned glad to get a mentor who ran a commercial dungeon. After learning the skills (the headmistress would check on them and then allow you to practise on clients once she was satisfied with the skills - an ambulance outside a dungeon is not only horrendous advertisement but also a good way to get shut down), I was happy to drift into my own niche of sadism and wearing leather (suited me) never done it as a full time job or as a main source of income, the maximum amount of time I could spend in the dungeon was 2 days a week, took me about 3 years to build up a clientel that kept me busy those 2 days a week, I might have been able to rely on it as income, but it would have burned me out and I couldn't have been as picky as I wanted to be with the clients I saw, in all honestly, it was my crazy money for fetish gear and equipment.

The biggest benefit was to be able to play "without strings attached" sure some people became good friends and we would meet up as friends and all that, but the fact that money changed hands put a stop to any crushes or romantic involvements, I could scratch my sadistic itch without getting into a bf/gf relationship.

It worked for me...

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 5:05:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subbybound

I had my first Pro-Domme experience from Backpage.
She charges $300 Incall and $400 Outcall. She was running an Easter Special at $100 off for either.
I had her come to my place and she looked pretty much like her pictures.
Dressed average - jeans, tennis shoes and shirt. Nothing fancy.
She said her Incall is at her apartment but doesn't like seeing clients there because it's always a mess.

It was a nice experience. She said she sees about 20 customers a week. Wow, at least $6,000 a week!
She only advertises on Backpage.

But I wonder if she is telling me the truth. If she is, then wouldn't more women do it?


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I edited this post to limit it to Backpage Pro-Dommes. I realize other Pro-Dommes rent a dungeon, dress up, which all can be very expensive.

Pro Domme prices widely vary. The price can range from $75/hr to $1500/hr. The average price though is generally $150/hr to $350/hr. Many will advertise the $350/hr but generally can be negotiated down to the $150 ~$175hr rate (I am speaking of rates in the USA).

Having worked in several Pro Dungeons I can tell you Pro Dommes can make good money. By good money I mean a 6 figure income. Let’s take an average example of a Pro Domme who charges $150/hr. If she has 670 chargeable hours in 1 year, that equal $100,500.00 in income.

Now that seems like good income for only 670 hours of work compared to the average person who works 2080 hours per year. But note I said chargeable hours. There is prep work that happens, dungeon clean up (if incall), travel time (if out call), clean up, etc. So you need to double or triple the 670 hours to get the actual hours worked. So it is not easy money. She is working for it. While the initial thought of $150/hr seems like a very cosy rich lifestyle, in reality the Pro Domme is make much less in actual hourly wage for total hours worked

Also the money she makes she will need to reinvest into her business. Outfits, toys, cleaning supplies, utilities, etc. These things are very expensive. If running a dungeon, outfitting the dungeon is going to range from $10,000 to upwards of $400,000 or more depending on what the Pro Domme is offering. I am speaking more of the Pro Dommes who have incall and an actual dungeon.

The example I gave shows that it is possible to make good money Pro Domming. Not many do it as their main source of income. Those who do it tend to be dedicated to the lifestyle. The lifestyle has a high rate of burnout for those trying to make a living out of it.


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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 6:13:43 PM   
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you could be right Greta but I socialise with just about anybody as long as they aren't narrow minded, bigoted, hypocritical or just plain prejudiced against anybody in their chosen way of life.


Statements like this always make me laugh. You're only bigotted to people who are bigotted to other people? And you don't take kindly to people who don't take kindly? :)

We all have prejudices and preferences. Deal with this and get over it without sounding like you're somehow above it.

As to what Greta said to prompt this, I agree. I can't imagne any/many social circles in Australia, outside of kink/sex related ones, where a known sex worker wouldn't be ostracised, for right or wrong.

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RE: Do You Believe Pro-Dommes Make A Good Living? - 3/29/2016 6:39:32 PM   
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But I wonder if she is telling me the truth. If she is, then wouldn't more women do it?


Hello Iluvstarbucks. I see you changed your name ;)

Just curious but why does it matter to you if a Pro-Domme can make a good living off of what they do? How does this concern you? Does this go back to your situation where the woman you dated wanted to be paid to play with you?

At first, I was going to add my opinion but then I read the comments and decided that I'm not touching this with a stick. Some people made valid points in this thread, some not so valid. Take a bit from each and draw your own conclusions.

I will say this: being a Pro-Domme is a very expensive endeavor and if someone is able to have gear, a dungeon, a wardrobe, and has a few years under their belt-then something must be working.

And with that said, I'm going to sit back, eat some popcorn and watch the responses.

I'm better off as a spectator on this topic.

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