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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 4:30:07 AM   
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I wonder if you've ever gone back and listened to some of the pop protest songs of the 60s and early 70s?

Gonna need some recommendations to listen to it.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:26:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		greta, if you do a quick internet search for "protest songs of the 60s and 70s", you'll get plenty of hits with lots of relevant songs. once you get into the sites a little, I suspect you'll see some artists whose names you recognize, or certain songs that seem to make all the lists.

not knowing your taste in music, id hesitate to recommend a lot but a handful that generically come to mind are ohio by neil young; blowin' in the wind by either bob Dylan or peter, paul and mary (I like their version better); war by Edwin starr (springsteen's version is excellent!), fortunate son by credence Clearwater revival; for what its worth by buffalo springfield; one tin soldier by coven (or joan baez); and where have all the flowers gone by peter, paul and mary.

not quite a protest song---but you might enjoy the night they drove ol' Dixie down, by the band, or joan baez.

and if you want to watch a great great movie from that time period that will raise lots of interesting questions, try Hair.

I also think forrest gump does a pretty good job of treating that subject well.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:27:48 AM   
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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:28:38 AM   
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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:30:42 AM   
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well you have to listen to them all, and watch the movie, and write lots about each one!

Lol! I hope I can find that movie Hair online to watch! Forest Gump didn't seem like a political movie. Just a heart warming story of a someone who is not so bright but very sweet.

I will check out a few. I am not sure if their lyrics are as straight forward as the ones I posted. I usually like emo/punk/hardcore/alternative/pop. I got to admit I can't appreciate country at all. The vocal style drives me nuts listening to the twang.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:31:37 AM   
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are any of those song titles familiar?

and now im thinking---i'll have to give you some "pro-America" songs too. whaddya think?

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:43:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think where have all the flowers gone and blowing in the wind, I might have heard them. My father's time, music he listens to.

But I will need to listen to it to know.

Not familiar with their names.

But for example, where have all the flowers gone is not a straight forward political lyric.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:44:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another good anti-war song was Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie. But that's a long one, and it's really more of a spoken story than a song. But it's pretty funny. One of the radio stations here plays it every Thanksgiving. There was also a movie by the same name.


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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:49:33 AM   
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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:53:56 AM   
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But for example, where have all the flowers gone is not a straight forward political lyric.


if you listen carefully to the lyrics, you'll see its an anti-war lament.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 5:57:08 AM   
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I think where have all the flowers gone and blowing in the wind, I might have heard them. My father's time, music he listens to.

But I will need to listen to it to know.

Not familiar with their names.

But for example, where have all the flowers gone is not a straight forward political lyric.


I think the Kingston Trio did a rendition of "Where Have All the Flowers Gone." My parents liked the Kingston Trio and had a few of their albums. My mother also got the album "Hair" when I was in kindergarten, although I remember listening to it a lot. All these songs being mentioned in this thread are like a trip through my childhood, but by the time I got to my teen years in the late 70s, music was not quite as political anymore.

I don't know if it would be a strictly political song, but another one I remember fondly was "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road" by Loudon Wainwright. I remember being out with my dad driving and we actually hit a skunk at about the same time this song was popular.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 6:02:25 AM   
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Hardcastle was inspired to create the song after watching Vietnam Requiem,[3] and comparing his own life at 19 to those of the soldiers featured: "...what struck me was how young the soldiers were: the documentary said their average age was 19. I was out having fun in pubs and clubs when I was 19, not being shoved into jungles and shot at."[5]

The title "19" comes from the documentary's claim that the average age of an American combat soldier in the war was 19, as compared to World War II's 26.[6] This claim has since been disputed.[7] Undisputed statistics do not exist, although Southeast Asia Combat Area Casualties Current File (CACCF), the source for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, shows a large number of deaths (38%) were ages 19 or 20. According to the same source, 23 is the average age at time of death (or time of declaration of death).[8] The song also comments that while the tour of duty was longer during World War II, soldiers in Vietnam were subjected to hostile fire [more frequently] almost every day.[6]

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 6:12:49 AM   
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and now im thinking---i'll have to give you some "pro-America" songs too. whaddya think?



"Pro-America"? What are you, some kind of American-Exceptionalism-Racist?



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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 6:29:01 AM   
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and now im thinking---i'll have to give you some "pro-America" songs too. whaddya think?



"Pro-America"? What are you, some kind of American-Exceptionalism-Racist?



Michael


I wonder if Hank Williams, Jr.'s "Country Boys Can Survive" would qualify as pro-American? That's always been a favorite of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk

The preacher man says it’s the end of time
And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry
The interest is up and the Stock Markets down
And you only get mugged
If you go down town

I live back in the woods, you see
My woman and the kids, and the dogs and me
I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I can plow a field all day long
I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn
We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too
Ain’t too many things these ole boys can’t do
We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Because you can’t starve us out
And you cant make us run
Cuz we're them old boys raised on shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

We came from the West Virginia coalmines
And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trout line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

I had a good friend in New York City
He never called me by my name, just hillbilly
My grandpa taught me how to live off the land
And his taught him to be a businessman
He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights
And I’d send him some homemade wine

But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife
For 43 dollars my friend lost his life
Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes
And shoot him with my old 45
Cause a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

Cause you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run
Cuz we're them old boys raised on shotgun
And we say grace and we say Ma’am
And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

We’re from North California and south Alabam
And little towns all around this land
And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line
And a country boy can survive
Country folks can survive

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 6:34:45 AM   
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God Bless America? That's very pro-america.


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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 6:41:38 AM   
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I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small
Never thought about the problems of this planet at all
Global warming, radio-active sites
Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?
Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?
Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea
Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions
Your dilemmas are my distractions

That's no way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco, Franco Un-American

I never looked around, never second-guessed
Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed
And now I can't sleep from years of apathy
All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation
I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization
I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth
I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces
I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses
Now I can't believe; what an absolute failure
The president's laughing 'cause we voted for Nader

That's no way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
No way to go, Franco Un-American
Where can we go, Franco Un-American

I want to move north and be a Canadian
Or hang down low with the nice Australians
I don't want to be another "I-don't-care"-ican
What are we gonna do Franco, Franco Un-American

Although another self-hating American song, although this is a GW Bush era song, but I got to say these guys just got balls, and they bitch about everything. They played in a concert with 99% Muslims and they criticized their religion on stage infront of them. I was there. The Muslims were pissed. I thought the whole room was gonna walk out!

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 7:34:04 AM   
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and now im thinking---i'll have to give you some "pro-America" songs too. whaddya think?



"Pro-America"? What are you, some kind of American-Exceptionalism-Racist?



Michael


its possible my recent conversion will take a while to fully purge me of a love for country.

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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 7:40:32 AM   
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and now im thinking---i'll have to give you some "pro-America" songs too. whaddya think?



"Pro-America"? What are you, some kind of American-Exceptionalism-Racist?



Michael


I wonder if Hank Williams, Jr.'s "Country Boys Can Survive" would qualify as pro-American? That's always been a favorite of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk



I think im hearing the kid rock version of it in my head...

id suggest a nice companion piece to that would be "hillbilly bone" by blake Shelton---about a guy more or less being rescued from the city and discovering his inner "country."

Oh man, you've gotta watch where you're stepping around here
Yeah I got a friend in New York City
He's never heard of Connway Twitty
Don't know nothing about grits and greens
Never been south of Queens
But he flew down here on a business trip
I took him honky tonkin' and that was it
He took to it like a pig to mud, like a cow to cud

We all got a hillbilly bone down deep inside
No matter where you from you just can't hide it
And when the band starts banging and the fiddle saws
You can't help but hollering, yee haw!
When you see them pretty little country queens
Man you gotta admit that's in them jeans
Ain't nothing wrong, just getting on your
Hillbilly bone-ba-bone-ba-bone-bone

Nah, you ain't gotta be born out in the sticks
With an F-150 and a 30-06,
Or have a Bubba in the family tree
To get on down with me
Well yeah Bubba all you need is an open mind
If it fires you up you gotta let it shine
When it feels so right that it can't be wrong
Come on, come on, come on you ain't alone, you ain't alone

We all got a hillbilly bone down deep inside
No matter where you from you just can't hide
And when the band starts banging and the fiddle saws
You can't help but hollering, yee haw!
When you see them pretty little country queens
Man you gotta admit that's in them jeans
Ain't nothing wrong, just getting on your
Hillbilly bone-ba-bone-ba-bone-bone

Come on y'all

We all got a hillbilly bone down deep inside
No matter where you from you just can't hide
And when the band starts banging and the fiddle saws
You can't help but hollering, yee haw!
When you see them pretty little country queens
Man you gotta admit that's in them jeans
Ain't nothing wrong, just getting on your
Hillbilly bone-ba-bone-ba-bone-bone
Hillbilly bone ba-bone ba-bone bone
Hillbilly bone ba-bone ba-bone bone


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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 7:48:25 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcFFEjq5Ap8

Hardcastle was inspired to create the song after watching Vietnam Requiem,[3] and comparing his own life at 19 to those of the soldiers featured: "...what struck me was how young the soldiers were: the documentary said their average age was 19. I was out having fun in pubs and clubs when I was 19, not being shoved into jungles and shot at."[5]

I was still 20 when I got to da nang.

The title "19" comes from the documentary's claim that the average age of an American combat soldier in the war was 19, as compared to World War II's 26.[6] This claim has since been disputed.[7] Undisputed statistics do not exist, although Southeast Asia Combat Area Casualties Current File (CACCF), the source for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, shows a large number of deaths (38%) were ages 19 or 20. According to the same source, 23 is the average age at time of death (or time of declaration of death).[8] The song also comments that while the tour of duty was longer during World War II,


soldiers in Vietnam were subjected to hostile fire [more frequently] almost every day.[6]

That is less than accurate. Less than 60,000 deaths in nearly 20 years would not indicate daily exposure to hostile fire.
The body count was about 2,000 up till 1966 with less than 50,000 men exposed. The remaining 50,000+ were from
1966 to 1972 with more than 3 million men exposed. Then there are the friendly fire incidents that kiled nearly 12,000 of that 50,000. Fraggings account for about 10,000. Fragging does not come under the heading of friendly fire.

http://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html


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RE: Politics in Music - 4/11/2016 7:48:30 AM   
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Where I Come From

By Montgomery Gentry

Don’t you dare go running down
My little town where I grew up
And I won’t cuss your city lights

If you ain’t ever took a ride around
And cruised right through the heart of my town
Anything you say would be a lie

We may live our lives a little slower
But that don’t mean I wouldn’t be proud to show ya

Where I come from
There’s an old plow boy out turning up dirt
Where I come from
There’s a preacher man in a cowboy shirt
Where I come from
Where a couple boys fight in the parking lot
No, nobody’s gonna call the cops
Where I come from

See that door right there, man I swear
It ain’t never been locked
And I can guarantee that it never will
That old man right there in the rocking chair
At the courthouse square I’ll tell you now
He could buy your fancy car with hundred dollar bills

Don’t let those faded overalls fool ya
He made his millions without one day schoolin

Where I come from
There’s a pickup truck with the tailgate down
Where I come from
The pine trees are singing a song of the south
Where I come from
That little white church is gonna have a crowd yeah
I’m pretty damn proud
Where I come from

Where I come from
There’s a big old moon shining down at night
Where I come from
There’s a man done wrong gonna make it right
Where I come from
There’s an old plow boy out turning up dirt
Where I come from
There’s a preacher man in a cowboy shirt
Where I come from
Where a couple of boys fight in the parking lot no
Ain’t nobody’s gonna call the cops

Yeah, that river runs across that Oakland rock

Where I come from
Where I come from

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