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HAHHAHAHHAHA
FR

yep christianity has zero blood on their hands.
Not today, not even fifty years ago...
its all in the crusades.
BTW communism isnt a belief in atheism.
Not to mention atheism isnt a belief in communism
No matter how you try to conflate it. spin it and lie about it.

and atheists have over 100 million on their hands, most would choose to live with the one who is least likely to kill them.

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yeh lots of atheists have become militant against theists in attempts to establish their own flavor of religious supremacy.

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While that is certainly true, they are trying to get the country to believe that all republicans are homophobic and should never hold office. How can you build that kind of hate with only a cake. No, you have to make it far worse than it is to generate the kind of hate the left seems to be going for these days and they have made it clear they don't mind lying to get their point across. And in the mean time we should boycott all business in the states because although it was the law makers who passed the bills they somehow think it's the average citizen who should pay for it. And if they continue to scream boycott every time someone passes a bill they don't like, they can scare people into voting for who they want in the next election.

God, THB. The first time you put in an appearance on this thread and it's to defend republicans, not other LGBT people? I suppose I should be used to your MO by now, but sometimes you still astonish me.

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FAIL!

I can save you some time, but no where in law will you find a contractual stipulation defined as a 'grant' FROM the gubblemint with respect to the BoR.

It is an 'ACKNOWLEDGED' of rights by the crookocracy what the crookocracy will not violate or infringe.

In the case of the constitution the crookocracy both recognized and agreed by stipulation (so they could exist) to the reservation of rights, which are not UNDER the laws of the unoted states but set aside from the laws of the united states since it has no jurisdiction over religion, speech, and arms etc.

That might be a thoughtful argument (hard to say, however) from the perspective of your sovereign citizen wet dream.

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Hence DEMOCRACY IS IN VIOLATION of our rights when it uses ITS mob pressure, LEGISLATION, COURT DECISIONS, CITIES or MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS to stomp the rights of individuals

Right! Call out the Michigan militia then. Where the fuck is Paul Revere when we really need him, that slacker.

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HAHHAHAHHAHA
FR

yep christianity has zero blood on their hands.
Not today, not even fifty years ago...
its all in the crusades.
BTW communism isnt a belief in atheism.
Not to mention atheism isnt a belief in communism
No matter how you try to conflate it. spin it and lie about it.

and atheists have over 100 million on their hands, most would choose to live with the one who is least likely to kill them.

Well shit! Why don't you simply burn us atheists (hiss, boo) at the stake like in the good old days? Or you could lynch us from a tree limb like the Khristian Klux Klan did to coloreds in the southland. Ah, those were the days. Warm the heart of Dixie's boys and girls. But unfortunately for you now in contemporary times you are reduced to refusing to bake cakes for those who offend your religious sensibilities. Pathetic.

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yeh lots of atheists have become militant against theists in attempts to establish their own flavor of religious supremacy.

What acts of militancy are you conjuring, Rev?

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By walking in and trying to buy something?

Why put the burden of attempting to make a purchase and going through an unpleasant rejection based on an immutable part of their identity on the customers when a sign could have communicated the point right from the start, alerting the would-be buyers to walk on?

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Lets assume the example of a cake maker. A couple enters and wants to buy a rather expensive cake. The baker must decide if their religious convictions outweigh their desire to keep the lights on. Now imagine gay couples lined up around the block to enter this baker's shop, all wanting to buy expensive cakes. A fairly loud message, yes? Perhaps a person, seeing the sudden need for an all-inclusive bakery, opens their own bakery and caters to everyone. Do you think those gay couples who all want expensive cakes (or any baked good) would patron the religious bakery? Do you think friends of the gay couples would?

Did the government need to become involved or did the free market work as expected?

Emphasis mine. Let me know when this actually happens in real life.

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@DaddySatyr,

There is no difference - provided the choices are available. As DC and others have mentioned, the options are limited in poor and rural areas. What happens then, when there are no available gay or BDSM or D/s friendly therapist to be referred to? Is that therapist then required to grudgingly treat the patient?

You seem to be arguing out of both sides of your mouth.

Do you want the counselor to be forced to counsel the patient? Wait! let's turn that around: Do you want to subject a gay person to be counseled by someone who can't really help them? Do you want the law to force counselors to "smile and wave" and hide their true feelings while counseling that gay person?

Do you think that someone who thinks that the crux of a person's problem is their sexual identity will find some way to help that person that doesn't amount to (what did they used to call it? Where Christian groups forced "straight counseling" on gays?) making them straight? "There you go, now you are attracted to the opposite gender! Problems solved!"


The law mandates that the therapist MUST COORDINATE a referral to a more compassionate therapist. No one's going without therapy and the onus is on the Christian therapist to find a new therapist for the client.

Do you think forcing that therapist to give some sort of half-hearted counseling is going to benefit the client?

I think you should try to float that law that a counselor should be forced to treat someone that they believe can only be truly "cured" by becoming "straight". I'll bet the LGBT community will line up to thank you for it.

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It's seriously pathetic to try to swing it all around so that you now claim that it's such 'Christians' are being persecuted.

Cloaking bigotry in "religion" doesnt make it any less bigoted.
Oh and calling people out on their bigotry isnt persecution, its accountability...

I agree. Nor is cloaking bigotry in political correctness.

If you had a clue, you would see that what your friends are doing is is ignoring EQUAL human rights. and persecution of non christians.
Not having your ears offended by consequences of your hatefut rhetoric and ignorance.
Bigotry/hate/fear is now wanting and making sure people have the same rights as everyone else???????LMAO FUck me sideways, that isnt anywhere close to political correctness either.

Actually, I don't think you know who my friends are or what they believe. So, that's a pretty bigoted post by you. Which, pretty much proves my point. Anyone who doesn't kowtow to you is a bigot. You won't listen to different views. We must just all follow your party line and say the words required to be said. That is politically correct bigotry.

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yeh lots of atheists have become militant against theists in attempts to establish their own flavor of religious supremacy.

What acts of militancy are you conjuring, Rev?

well they successfully executed a coup against the american people.

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yeh lots of atheists have become militant against theists in attempts to establish their own flavor of religious supremacy.

What acts of militancy are you conjuring, Rev?

well they successfully executed a coup against the american people.

Atheists did that? Fuck! I never got the memo. Your ideas are hilariously stupid sometimes.

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I'm not arguing for either sides of the extremes.

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When I ask a question, I'm not trying to further any sides argument. I'm trying to understand them.

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At the same time, I do find myself baffled and distressed by the evidence of hatred and bigotry that I see expressed.

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To answer your question, no I would not want a counselor to be forced to treat someone they despise nor should someone have to endure treatment from a coouncelor that despises them for living true to their own nature.

Which brings us back full circle to what I'm trying to understand in the first place...

Both sides to this issue.

There's that staunch neutrality, again You're doe-eyed routine is failing.

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yeh lots of atheists have become militant against theists in attempts to establish their own flavor of religious supremacy.

What acts of militancy are you conjuring, Rev?

well they successfully executed a coup against the american people.

Atheists did that? Fuck! I never got the memo. Your ideas are hilariously stupid sometimes.

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Oh fuck, the irony

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It's seriously pathetic to try to swing it all around so that you now claim that it's such 'Christians' are being persecuted.

Cloaking bigotry in "religion" doesnt make it any less bigoted.
Oh and calling people out on their bigotry isnt persecution, its accountability...

I agree. Nor is cloaking bigotry in political correctness.

If you had a clue, you would see that what your friends are doing is is ignoring EQUAL human rights. and persecution of non christians.
Not having your ears offended by consequences of your hatefut rhetoric and ignorance.
Bigotry/hate/fear is now wanting and making sure people have the same rights as everyone else???????LMAO FUck me sideways, that isnt anywhere close to political correctness either.

Actually, I don't think you know who my friends are or what they believe. So, that's a pretty bigoted post by you. Which, pretty much proves my point. Anyone who doesn't kowtow to you is a bigot. You won't listen to different views. We must just all follow your party line and say the words required to be said. That is politically correct bigotry.

Your opinions speak for themselves. No I dont know who you are, new poster, who thinks his words carry any weight with me...they dont. Thats not bigotry. Thats knowing socks are mostly fake.

Until you can prove you can be believed, I trust your words and your ahem, arguments to be facile and woprthless. Of course you are entitled to do the same. But if you see bigotry in my post...maybe you can understand why others, wether they be straight, female or gay /lesbian christian, jewish, muslim, atheist or agnostic, could take your views as being worse than bigoted. You are offended? take a number.

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Every civilized country has government involved in marriage.
WHy are so many republicans governments so intent on putting themselves in charge of womens bodies?