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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:27:40 PM   
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Im sorry you like to discriminate and persecute people for wanting to have the equal rights as you do.


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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:29:55 PM   
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yeh lots of atheists have become militant against theists in attempts to establish their own flavor of religious supremacy.

What acts of militancy are you conjuring, Rev?





well they successfully executed a coup against the american people.

Atheists did that? Fuck! I never got the memo. Your ideas are hilariously stupid sometimes.


This must be why atheists are forbidden from holding office in 7 states. Successful coup indeed.




I'd say a 43 to 7 coup (majority) is pretty successful.

Hey and I was nice I only picked apart a few points in vincents original post, because it was a clusterfuck of errors.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:30:08 PM   
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Every civilized country has government involved in marriage.


Everyone else is doing it so that makes it ok? It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

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WHy are so many republicans governments so intent on putting themselves in charge of womens bodies?


Government should not be dictating what one can and cannot do with one's own body.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:37:18 PM   
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Every civilized country has government involved in marriage.


Everyone else is doing it so that makes it ok? It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

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WHy are so many republicans governments so intent on putting themselves in charge of womens bodies?


Government should not be dictating what one can and cannot do with one's own body.




do you really want an answer ot that or are you being facetious?

the real answer is that it creates a split title giving the crookocracy a legal interest, hence jurisdiction in the marriage. Same goes with everything, licenses, certificates, you name it.

Case in point the reasdon they outright stole burzynskis antineoplaston cancer cure is because he did not use any us schools, or grants or anything else from the US to creat the invention thereby they had no legitimate interest to regulate or govern it. WHen they stole and patented it that now gave them an interest in the product, hence how where and why it gets used or shelfed if one of their fda buddies wants to sell more poison.

it really is a very small (corrupt) world.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:39:33 PM   
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So you want legislation based on feelings?

To be honest, that's a tough question to answer. Was it a matter of mere "feelings" when African-Americans wanted to sit at a Woolworth's lunch counter? Or when Jews sought to choose for themselves what neighborhoods they could buy homes in? In both cases, there could well have been genuine religious beliefs underlying the discrimination. And in both examples, folks could have spent their money elsewhere. Perhaps because I'm not a straight white man and thus have encountered being on the receiving end of discrimination--once violently--I see being treated with respect and dignity as more than just a matter of "feelings."


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So your argument comes down to being too lazy to have a peaceful demonstration/boycott, instead wanting Big Daddy Government to force people?

Here too, I think the question reduces a complicated reality to sneering sound bites. Life in the real world is often messy, and solutions are seldom simple or speedy. Is every form of service the same, for instance? Moral objections to performing an abortion strike me as more significant than scruples about baking a cake for a gay couple. Can all discrimination be rectified by boycotts and marketplace reactions--which I support and have taken part in--or are there times when the law needs to be involved? And how does one select such instances?

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:39:35 PM   
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Every civilized country has government involved in marriage.


Everyone else is doing it so that makes it ok? It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WHy are so many republicans governments so intent on putting themselves in charge of womens bodies?


Government should not be dictating what one can and cannot do with one's own body.


oh puhleeze
LMFAO

No its not a private relationship.
You have to register with the gov.. Birth, School, Marriage, Divorce, Death.
For a reason. And has done so for generation after generation.
now because its inconvenient to christians to have to suffer everybody involved in the same human rights , you wanna go into uncharted territory and change the "rules" so you can feel superior?>
fuck off.
Regarding the womens bodies bit, you may be fine with that, but with over 200 bills in 18 months, certain rights ARE and HAVE been discriminating and dictating ONLY womens bodies. AND forcing them into all kinds of shitty rules.






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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:40:47 PM   
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So you want legislation based on feelings?





Hmmm religion is feelings



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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:41:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is plenty of "backwards" thinking in the North, South, East, and West.
It just depends on the issues and the states legislature.
If the citizens aren't happy with the actions/and bills created by the people that they voted in,
Then there are actions the citizens can take.

Carry on-- great discussion

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:41:30 PM   
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Every civilized country has government involved in marriage.


Everyone else is doing it so that makes it ok? It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WHy are so many republicans governments so intent on putting themselves in charge of womens bodies?


Government should not be dictating what one can and cannot do with one's own body.



I agree that I wonder why government is interested. In marriages at all. I wonder if Lucy would agree that since most governments in the world ban same sex marriage that should be the law of the land here? I don't understand her arguement.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:42:38 PM   
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good old christians like dennis hastert interfering with boys, and whats is face in alabama, getting possibly impeached for "an affair he denied", Indiana, Louisiana, Texas, , mississippi, misouri, NC and SC is going the same way, Georgia.

Im sorry you like to discriminate and persecute people for wanting to have the equal rights as you do.




how about all the HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of people who died at the hands of atheists compared to a mere hundred thousand at the hands of theists? Why should anyone support atheists who have no moral compass?

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:43:35 PM   
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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:46:14 PM   
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I think there is plenty of "backwards" thinking in the North, South, East, and West.
It just depends on the issues and the states legislature.
If the citizens aren't happy with what the people they voted in are doing.
There are actions the citizens can take.

Carry on-- great discussion



yes its called bend over and crack a big SMILE! LOL

We have several people who believed the MSM mantra that this is a democracy and that legislated democracy somehow voids the individual rights reserved by the very people who created them in the first place.




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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:48:59 PM   
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It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

That's a fair question I agree, but I can't help noting that I never heard it before same-sex marriage became a possibility/reality.

The complex relationship between government and marriage is exemplified by GAO research, which identified "1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges."

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:53:17 PM   
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So you want legislation based on feelings?

To be honest, that's a tough question to answer. Was it a matter of mere "feelings" when African-Americans wanted to sit at a Woolworth's lunch counter? Or when Jews sought to choose for themselves what neighborhoods they could buy homes in? In both cases, there could well have been genuine religious beliefs underlying the discrimination. And in both examples, folks could have spent their money elsewhere. Perhaps because I'm not a straight white man and thus have encountered being on the receiving end of discrimination--once violently--I see being treated with respect and dignity as more than just a matter of "feelings."


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So your argument comes down to being too lazy to have a peaceful demonstration/boycott, instead wanting Big Daddy Government to force people?

Here too, I think the question reduces a complicated reality to sneering sound bites. Life in the real world is often messy, and solutions are seldom simple or speedy. Is every form of service the same, for instance? Moral objections to performing an abortion strike me as more significant than scruples about baking a cake for a gay couple. Can all discrimination be rectified by boycotts and marketplace reactions--which I support and have taken part in--or are there times when the law needs to be involved? And how does one select such instances?



You are talking about a fundamental right that I and every one else has reserved to ourselves and have not elected by choice to share with the crookocratic gubblemint.

It should be ridiculously obvious this is not about a damn cake in and of itself its about the crookocracy violating the constitution and establishing their own religion contrary to theists who were minding their own business practicing THEIR religion.

Thats why the damn cake is important, the principle right that atheists are attacking in pretense that atheism is not a religion.


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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:56:42 PM   
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oh puhleeze
LMFAO

No its not a private relationship.
You have to register with the gov.. Birth, School, Marriage, Divorce, Death.
For a reason. And has done so for generation after generation.
now because its inconvenient to christians to have to suffer everybody involved in the same human rights , you wanna go into uncharted territory and change the "rules" so you can feel superior?>
fuck off.
Regarding the womens bodies bit, you may be fine with that, but with over 200 bills in 18 months, certain rights ARE and HAVE been discriminating and dictating ONLY womens bodies. AND forcing them into all kinds of shitty rules.


Government should not be involved in private relationships or people's bodies. It is an extreme over-reach for government to do so.

You realize I am a rather devout and practicing atheist, right?

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:58:40 PM   
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It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

That's a fair question I agree, but I can't help noting that I never heard it before same-sex marriage became a possibility/reality.

The complex relationship between government and marriage is exemplified by GAO research, which identified "1,138 federal statutory provisions classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving benefits, rights, and privileges."

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf



bingo!

the crookocracy uses their programs, ss and ohahacare come to mind to get you to contract your rights away, not that it is your intent but because you dont know any better. All methods to create a gubblemint interest what goes on in your private life by splitting title. Not many people understand how trust law works and they are really fucking good at the playing slieght of hand if you take it to court, where you wind up with even the judges being against you and in jail as a political prisoner like so many dissenters.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:59:20 PM   
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So you want legislation based on feelings?


Hmmm religion is feelings


One could argue that religion, to some, is much more than feelings.

I viewed this as more of a freedom of association issue, guaranteed by the First Amendment, than a religious issue.

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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 12:59:31 PM   
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Every civilized country has government involved in marriage.


Everyone else is doing it so that makes it ok? It's a private relationship, why does government need to sanction it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WHy are so many republicans governments so intent on putting themselves in charge of womens bodies?


Government should not be dictating what one can and cannot do with one's own body.



I agree that I wonder why government is interested in marriages at all. I wonder if Lucy would agree that since most governments in the world ban same sex marriage that should be the law of the land here? I don't understand her arguement.



thats easy because the countries IM thinking about have "unbanned" same sex marriage.
How long has your government been " registering marriages"?
How long has your government been giving tax breaks to married people?


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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 1:00:23 PM   
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You realize I am a rather devout and practicing atheist, right?



you have a right to your religion, just like everyone else.



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RE: Thoughts about backwoods Mississippi? - 4/10/2016 1:08:21 PM   
Lucylastic


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oh puhleeze
LMFAO

No its not a private relationship.
You have to register with the gov.. Birth, School, Marriage, Divorce, Death.
For a reason. And has done so for generation after generation.
now because its inconvenient to christians to have to suffer everybody involved in the same human rights , you wanna go into uncharted territory and change the "rules" so you can feel superior?>
fuck off.
Regarding the womens bodies bit, you may be fine with that, but with over 200 bills in 18 months, certain rights ARE and HAVE been discriminating and dictating ONLY womens bodies. AND forcing them into all kinds of shitty rules.


Government should not be involved in private relationships or people's bodies. It is an extreme over-reach for government to do so.

You realize I am a rather devout and practicing atheist, right?


Well I did say you may be fine with that...I was making no delineation of any religion, just simple facts that over 200 bills dictating womens bodies AND as well as ANTI transgender/LGBT?etc minorities, the sick and poor. etc etc.

You wanna get rid of government interference? If only capitalism, and free markets could be relied upon not to discriminate and dictate peoples lives.
because they certainly do a worse job.
Religion certainly isnt doing anything for equality. Because it is built on guilt and fear( again emotions and feelings) not reality.

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