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Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:49:25 AM   
Greta75


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President Barack Obama said the worst mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the 2011 toppling of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi.
"Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya," he said in a Fox News interview aired Sunday.

I think the West completely join forces and completely fucked Libya over!
This is the exact same stupid mistake as Iraq. No concrete after removing dictator plan!

I don't understand how he could be against Iraq and be for Libya in the first place and make the EXACT same mistake over again.
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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:59:28 AM   
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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 6:01:49 AM   
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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 6:38:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Qadaffi became a threat when he decided to introduce the Africa gold dinar, a solid currency intended to replace the petrodollar as the world's exchange medium for oil. This would have hurt the value of the US dollar and that cannot be tolerated. This is actually what made them get rid of Saddam as well.

Dig deep people and learn economics, and politics will naturally follow. You will know what they're going to do, and you will know why they do what they do. They are not incompetent, just trying to take care of their greedy friends. And themselves of course.

I am to the point I do not have to get the news to know what is going to happen. The US is likely to attack Iran, because Iran is a separate economic power. They don't like that and that is why AIPAC has spent millions on congress to get an attack. Put sanctions on them and they sell oil to China for gold. We cannot have that. But China is too big, and we owe them too much to do anything about it.

And the US' beef with them making an island has to do with shipping routes, still commerce.

Your US government is run by businessmen, they only thing they care about it fucking money. Even power, it is only a means to money. Make things illegal to get ore peoople in jail and raise taxes to support that. Tax this, tax that. That is their mindset.

Governments are in the business of armed robbery. Once you realize that, it all comes together.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 6:47:45 AM   
Greta75


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Status: offline 		Still does not acquit Obama for removing Gaddafi without a back up plan to have a proper replacement.

And they were denied democracy. I thought the most fucked up thing was, Gaddafi eldest son, who is western educated and spend many years in the UK, asked the American government to over see a fair election. And they will accept stepping down if the people didn't vote them in.

They were open to democracy. This could have been a peaceful solution.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 12:22:01 PM   
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I see his lips move but all I hear is, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."


I do like my doctor. An I kept my doctor.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 2:12:23 PM   
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Still does not acquit Obama for removing Gaddafi without a back up plan to have a proper replacement.

And they were denied democracy. I thought the most fucked up thing was, Gaddafi eldest son, who is western educated and spend many years in the UK, asked the American government to over see a fair election. And they will accept stepping down if the people didn't vote them in.

They were open to democracy. This could have been a peaceful solution.

But they would have voted for Qaddafi anyway and the gold-for-oil problem still would have come about. What does surprise me a bit about that, is Libya only put out a few hundred thousand bbls. a day. The real problem may have been if the idea of gold-for-oil might have spread around OPEC.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 2:22:13 PM   
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I see his lips move but all I hear is, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

Could have. It all depends on which was more profitable, the whole idea behind private market (billing) of health care since again, like everything else in the US, it's about the money...not health care. It is profits that forms the genesis for the mandate in the first place.

It is the ignorance of the American public that buys the notion (propaganda) of govt. control of health care when in fact and one cannot escape the logic here, that Obamacare was simply a mandate for greater profits in health care. It may take a while for the correct pricing to be developed but let's stick to the actuarial parameters, millions of brand new healthy customers being forced to buy a service they would otherwise have no intention...of buying.

The industry simply needs to learn how to factor in the costs of covering (pricing) previous conditions.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 3:15:39 PM   
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(It happened in November, 2007).

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 3:17:19 PM   
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and anytime anyone voted for a nutsucker.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:19:35 PM   
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No, americas biggest mistake was repeated several times, St. Wrinklemeat, Nixon, Ford, Bush, Bush, Hoover.....

and anytime anyone voted for a nutsucker.

So LBJ, Carter, Climton and Obama are (were) all nutsuckers.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:30:04 PM   
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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:37:37 PM   
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Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?

Remember what I said back then ? Neither candidate should be allowed to run a gas station, one would ggive awayy the gas and the other would sell the pumps. You know what Romney does for a living ? Takes fucking borrowed money to buy running businesses with employees and liquidates them. He would have sold Mt. Rushmore.

His repugnance to normal, at least half intelligent people is what put Obama in that chair. And McCain before him.

Why did the republicans want to lose ? Because they know the big financial crash is coming and they do not want to preside over it.

But I am stating to think they're stupid. Now they could have Trump and let him wear it. Not really IN the party they could say. And if the democrats are fucking dumb enough to run Hillary, he might just win. But he'll never beat Sanders. But they do not want Sanders because even though he is a Jew, he won't lick Israel's asshole.

In the next few months, this may shape up to be a very interesting election. The most likely to get the popular votes are Sanders and Trump, and neither of the parties like them. But see the primaries are not a legal thing. Really, 100 % of republicans could vote for Trump and 100 % of the democrats could vote for Sander but the ticket could still be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

NOW do you see the fucking problem ?

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:41:13 PM   
Greta75


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But I would be curious what Mittens would have done with Libya. Would he have had a better plan to help that country move on without Gaddaffi.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:45:02 PM   
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But they would have voted for Qaddafi anyway and the gold-for-oil problem still would have come about. What does surprise me a bit about that, is Libya only put out a few hundred thousand bbls. a day. The real problem may have been if the idea of gold-for-oil might have spread around OPEC.

Well, it's their country right to demand gold for oil, as it's their oil. They can put whatever price they want on it. People can choose not to engage and buy.
Considering it's a Lib in charge when this happened. This is probably one of the greatest form of terrorism to deny a whole country in how they choose to sell their oil. To deny them the establishment of democracy where they can start choosing their leader. Talking about intentionally keeping a country down, this is totally it!

I think this was worst than Iraq, because at least even after the mess Bush made, he left troops in there for a long time trying to fix the mess he made. Libya was kinda just left to die after they took out the dictator.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:55:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


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Obama's biggest mistake, was also America's.

(It happened in November, 2007).


So you would prefer Romney ?

Remember what I said back then ? Neither candidate should be allowed to run a gas station, one would ggive awayy the gas and the other would sell the pumps. You know what Romney does for a living ? Takes fucking borrowed money to buy running businesses with employees and liquidates them. He would have sold Mt. Rushmore.

His repugnance to normal, at least half intelligent people is what put Obama in that chair. And McCain before him.

Why did the republicans want to lose ? Because they know the big financial crash is coming and they do not want to preside over it.

But I am stating to think they're stupid. Now they could have Trump and let him wear it. Not really IN the party they could say. And if the democrats are fucking dumb enough to run Hillary, he might just win. But he'll never beat Sanders. But they do not want Sanders because even though he is a Jew, he won't lick Israel's asshole.

In the next few months, this may shape up to be a very interesting election. The most likely to get the popular votes are Sanders and Trump, and neither of the parties like them. But see the primaries are not a legal thing. Really, 100 % of republicans could vote for Trump and 100 % of the democrats could vote for Sander but the ticket could still be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.

NOW do you see the fucking problem ?

T^T

The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.
Wasn't that crazy about Rommney either but again a lesser evil than Obama.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 4:58:02 PM   
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The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.

Why do you prefer a traitor?

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 5:01:15 PM   
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The election was in 2008, and the opponent was McCain.
Didn't like McCain but he was better than Obama.

Why do you prefer a traitor?

You don't hesitate to smear a mans service if he isn't completly in line with you. That is disgusting.

Or you misread, and thought I said I prefered Obama.

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 5:17:38 PM   
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Why do you prefer a traitor?

McCain is a traitor? Thought he was a POW!

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RE: Obama admits Libya was his biggest mistake - 4/11/2016 5:27:04 PM   
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Why do you prefer a traitor?

McCain is a traitor? Thought he was a POW!

He was but there is a leftist myth that he cooperated with his captors.

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