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ORIGINAL: MasterBrentC
Yea, that's brilliant, otterass. Dumbocrats fuck up the greatest healthcare this planet has ever known and you want that same government to run the whole fucking show. To coin a phrase from another asshole on these boards, "Are you really that phocking stupid?"
Actually the greatest healthcare on the planet can be found in countries with socialised medicine. Australia, Canada, France.
The USA is so far down on the list when it comes to healthcare it's positively embarrassing.
Honestly, while Democrats are capable of idiocy, it staggers me how consistently stupid and utterly ignorant the average Republican actually is.
Right. So great that 80% of the techniques they use, medicines they license were made here in the good old US of A. Statin drugs; blood pressure drugs; stents, customized cancer immuno therapy, retrovirals. The list goes on and on.
And any kind of factual measurement of outcome based medicine shows the US on the top. None of this crap of measuring healthcare by 'fairness of access'.
Used to be you were more honest than that awareness.
Sorry Phydeaux, you should try reading some non-spin stuff.
The US is only 'top' if you only count those in the 1% that can afford the very best.
The other 99% are waay way down the list on just about every measure you care to dream up.
Yes, the US is better at some cancers.
As per DC's link, that is probably due to better screening than actual measurable healthcare.
As for the drugs, yes, they make good drugs in the US. That is undeniable.
But..... they charge US citizens a mortgage for it and the rest of the world often pays less than 10% because socialised healthcare countries negotiate a much lower price or they won't buy it.
They get away with the stupidly high prices in the US because the insurance companies pay for it and charge the patient; which doesn't happen anywhere else in the world.
And incidentally, the US isn't the only place in the world where good drugs are made.
You say it like it's the only place that invents good things.
To quote a few bits from CS's link -
John F. Kennedy said: “No matter how big the lie, repeat it often enough and the masses will regard it as the truth.” The reality is we do not have the best health care system.
I see you subscribe to this propaganda spin.
The Social Progress Index 2014 rates the U.S. as 70th among 132 nations in health and wellness.
That's actually worse than most stats that I see published.
70th out of 132?? That puts the US below halfway down the list.
For a first-world industrialised nation, that's disgusting!
A 2013 Institute of Medicine report titled “U.S. Health in International Perspective: Shorter Lives, Poorer Health” ranks the U.S. near last among 17 high-income nations in several categories ranging from infant mortality and low birth weight to life expectancy.
So again, taking the general stats (as opposed to cherry-picking the good bits as you tend to do), the US doesn't fare very well.
The Commonwealth Fund analysis also ranks the U.S. last among seven nations in health care. The U.S. ranks worst among 16 developed countries in preventable deaths, according to a 2011 study published in Health Policy.
I'm not surprised at this.
Too many cooks in the kitchen thinking more of profit than the health of the patient.
According to Commonwealth researchers, 37 percent of Americans do not seek a physician’s help when sick or fail to fill prescriptions due to high cost, compared with 4-6 percent in Britain and Sweden.
A doctor's visit is completely free here, regardless of where you sit on the wealth ladder.
And for most people (and certainly anyone under 18) get free prescriptions one way or another.
Even if you have to pay for them, it is lower than in the US and it is quite common for the pharmacy to offer alternatives for a lower price than the prescription.
About 75 percent of Americans said the health care system required fundamental changes; in contrast, 50-63 percent of Europeans were happy with their systems.
That's hardly surprising news.
Americans in fact wait longer than most Europeans to see a primary care doctor: 63-76 percent of Europeans see a doctor within one to two days, compared with 48 percent of Americans; only Canada scores worse (41 percent).
That sounds about right.
And to rub it in.... we don't pay for visiting a doctor whereas you do in the US.
So not only is it quicker, it's free.
But despite the data, most Americans still believe we have the world’s best health care system and are surprised to find that they and their families have, on average, worse health than people in equivalent high-income countries.
That pretty much sums it up.
Continue to believe you have the best in the world - that puts you firmly in the blinkered residents of cloud-cuckoo land.
And there are many many reports out there - from US studies - that have come to this conclusion.
The American people are being sold a lie to justify and bolster profits at the expense of its citizens.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee!!
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