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And then there is the science:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/psychiatry-expert-scientifically-there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

The fact that the left labels everything they do as "progressive" is a mere smokescreen [etc]

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Fact: Aside from those with genuine chromosomal abnormalities, there is no scientific evidence to suggest transgenderism is anything other than a mental illness.

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Based upon those two facts, it is perfectly permissible to hold the viewpoint that self-mutilation and ingestion of hormones does not swap your gender. From that perspective, the desire to divide bathrooms along biological gender lines is completely rational.

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I realise most of the left is too stupid [etc, etc]

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That would mean not letting people who think they are in the wrong gendered body use the other lockerroom.
People on here,(and you didn't say this ) act as if only trasgenders have feelings.
Don't you think that for every trans who feels uncomfortable going into the lockeroom that matchs thier body there are a 1000 (manly females) who are made to feel uncomfortable by him being there? You have, maybe unintintionally, just made the overwellming argument against this "open mindedness".

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
"Employees report that the man made no verbal or physical attempt to identify as a woman, yet he still cited a new rule that allows bathroom choice based on gender identification."
So, some dude decided to "prove a point" and that's what we're going with? He didn't identify as female... AT ALL.

Here is an issue, though. Just like Brent's cockamamie "rationale" in Post #21, how are people to know that a male walking into a female restroom identifies as a woman? If that male was dressed in a dress, that might give a clue, but, as Brent so ineloquently pointed out, that doesn't make him a woman, necessarily. I feel for trans people who don't feel comfortable in their anatomical gender restrooms. But, how are we to know that some guy in a dress isn't just a predator, a perv, or an honest-to-goodness trans? It's not like you get a "rainbow letter" tattooed on your head identifying you as trans.

Some voyeur could get his jollies by saying he's trans and spending his time in the women's locker and/or showers, and, apparently, that's okay and not supporting the objectification of women?

Maybe we should just throw it all away and only have unisex and family facilities.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


I have heard it said that people who practice D/s folk tend to be special snowflakes who try and insist that society bends around their illness. That ludicrous premise is both unsupported by science and monstrously self-absorbed. Accordingly, I think this madness is going to hit a critical point, beyond which Western society simply will not bend.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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That would mean not letting people who think they are in the wrong gendered body use the other lockerroom.
People on here,(and you didn't say this ) act as if only trasgenders have feelings.
Don't you think that for every trans who feels uncomfortable going into the lockeroom that matchs thier body there are a 1000 (manly females) who are made to feel uncomfortable by him being there? You have, maybe unintintionally, just made the overwellming argument against this "open mindedness".

For one thing, one person's *huge* discomfort (looking and acting like a woman, but having to use the gents) is probably worth a hundred people's very slight discomfort ('Oh, that's odd! I'm pretty sure I saw a penis before she closed the cubicle door') For another - well, I'm told that I've probably already shared a toilet with a person born as a female. But I've not even known about it, much less cared. Lastly, I think I haven't noticed partly because transgender people, I'd assume, make every effort to hide any aspects of themselves that 'look wrong'. Public toilets being not just uncomfortable places, but outright dangerous places for them on occasion, I'd have thought.

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Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women?

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

As a side note, and I apologize in advance for the derail, but DaddySatyr, you directed a personal attack towards LadyPact that in my observation is not true. LadyPact isn't one to lie. Of the posts of hers that I have read, I find her responses to be rather even-handed. I cannot say the same of the posts of yours that I have read, although I admit that, until this thread, I have largely avoided reading your posts over the last several months because I find your overall tone to be distasteful.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

The whole rhetoric was disingenuous to begin with. This wasn't a "bathroom bill". They didn't even have ONE case of someone being assaulted by a trans* person in a restroom to fall back on. NOT. ONE.

Anybody else hear George Wallace being channeled?

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Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women?

No, I'm saying that the feelings of one transgender person could be so severe that they might trump the *slight* feelings of lots of other people.

Me, I picture what I think is the more likely scenario of a transgender woman in a bar - full of the worst type of redneck, and drunk with it, say - having to use the men's toilet. That could be downright dangerous - versus the - what, surprise, awkwardness? - of a woman with a pronounced adam's apple walking into a female toilet (and using the cubicle, where nobody could see her wedding tackle anyway).

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

The whole rhetoric was disingenuous to begin with. This wasn't a "bathroom bill". They didn't even have ONE case of someone being assaulted by a trans* person in a restroom to fall back on. NOT. ONE.

Anybody else hear George Wallace being channeled?

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Everyone is equal, but this week transgenders aremore equal than other.

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But this will make it easy for predators to go under the guise of being transgendered.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Do you realize that you are saying that the feelings of one transgender is worth the feelings of 100 women?

No, I'm saying that the feelings of one transgender person could be so severe that they might trump the *slight* feelings of lots of other people.
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Not even close. The Basic rights of almost all are givens. Mild distaste or disapproval on the totally undocumented possibility of misbehavior never justifies treating anyone as a pariah or subhuman. I'm very sure the feelings, 'morality' and basic religious convictions of segregationists were far more offended by black Americans living in their neighborhoods than any feel about trans people. Guess where all that went? Even the Oreo on the SCOTUS couldn't stomach that.

The obvious answer for all is to free up a lot of commercial and public building square footage for more useful purposes by making only unisex restrooms legal. I'd suggest deadbolt locks in the inside of all stall doors, but the body count of inaccessible people having medical emergencies would have those removed in weeks.