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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 2:59:03 PM   
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As for the French, they are marginally better than the Swiss, a twat like race who should be beaten back to the stone age with French bread and Nazi gold

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 4:05:43 PM   
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Lol. You lefties are so weird.
Where do you think all the good people are going, leaving France?
Hint : is not greece. Or sweden. Or denmark.

oh, and where do you think they are moving to??? Its a lot easier for them to move to another EU country, especially those with a good health care system..

"According to a French Foreign Ministry report published at the end of last month, the top five destinations are the UK, Switzerland, the US, Belgium and Germany. The French consulate in London has estimated that up to 400,000 French nationals live in the capital, a number equal to the population of France’s sixth largest city."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-say-au-revoir-to-france-over-two-million-french-people-now-live-abroad-and-most-are-crossing-9788348.html

And for the record, I am not a leftie, I am Canadian (& there I would be considered a conservative)...


LOL. That doesn't make you a conservative here.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 4:16:55 PM   
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Again, you dont' really pay attention much.

Virtually every deal negotiated by obama

No you don't pay much attention at all. Obama is not a leftist, he is a right of centre corporate free-market type. What you so often identify as "left" is in fact extreme centrist.


Look - we get it -you're so far left that you think Obama is a right of centre corporate type.

But have an iota of common sense and stop trying to proclaim Obama right of center when by far the majority of americans do not.

Your personal point of view, is frankly uninteresting and certainly not a relevant basis to correct someone. You calling the sky brown is

a). Incorrect.
b). boring
c) not a topic that can be debated or settled. It only means you're a loon.

Frankly, the only objective measure of liberal /conservative comes from the congressonal quarterly, which rates all senators on a scale of 0-100. Barack consistently scored in the top 3%. Ie, very liberal. He was ranked as the most liberal member of the senate in 2007.

But what are actual figures next to your *opinion*.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 4:21:54 PM   
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It is not a riot. It is the usual common prelude to negotiations between unions and the government in France - therefore so repetitive whether the 1970s, 80s, 90s, 2006 or 2016



Yes, the French have always been revolting.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 4:32:48 PM   
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Vincent......... Try and keep up matey........ Your link appear to be TEN years old.

Just sayin and all that........

As for Thatcher and the Miners, Scargill had brought down one Government, there was no way either main party would let that happen again.


LMAO! Didn't catch the age of the article. Thankee matey. But it serves the purpose of a jumping off point for a discussion that is relevant today . . . . the commoditization of labor and the decimation of the working class.



You`re welcome. I thought you had spent a decade thinking about the issue before deciding to post......

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 4:33:33 PM   
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Look - we get it

We???have you a turd in your pocket?


-you're so far left that you think Obama is a right of centre corporate type.


How exactly is he different from the previous asshole in the white house?
We are still in the sandbox, we are still in gitmo, we are still poking our noses in the internal affairs of soverign nations.

But have an iota of common sense and stop trying to proclaim Obama right of center when by far the majority of americans do not.

That would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion worth less than the price of used shit paper.

Your personal point of view, is frankly uninteresting and certainly not a relevant basis to correct someone.

Only to fools like you.



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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 5:02:26 PM   
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Politics seems to be a simplistic excuse. Thatcher had increased interest rates, and a nasty recession took hold, in the middle of which Thatcher raised taxes. Three million to five million Brits were tossed onto the unemployment heap. Additionally, there were plans afoot to close many mines. Thatcher responded to the strikes with police occupation and violence at the mines. Rather sticky activity by her.

It’s that under the prime minister’s guidance, MI5, police Special Branch, GCHQ and the NSA were mobilised not only to spy on the NUM on an industrial scale, but to employ agents provocateurs at the highest level of the union, dirty tricks, slush funds, false allegations, forgeries, phoney cash deposits and multiple secretly sponsored legal actions to break the defence of the mining communities.

In the years since, Thatcher and her former ministers and intelligence mandarins have defended such covert action by insisting the NUM leaders were “subversive” because they wanted to bring down the government. Which of course they did – but “legitimately”, as Scargill remarked recently, by bringing about a general election – as took place in the wake of the successful coal strike of 1974.


I had to chuckle at the notion "politics seems a simple excuse" since you suggest Scargill wanted for force a political election. You cant have a trade union continually causing chaos to bring down an elected government, that simply isnt how democracy works. The Miners had to be stopped.

Some UK Police forces during the eighties left a lot to be desired, while other were very good. Your link to the Guardian Article is pretty accurate, and I say that as someone who voted for Thatcher in every election. Read the link for Oregreave if you havent already done so.

As for interest rates, they had been high before Thatcher and at one point she did manage to bring them right down. Incidentally, having lived through both, I hate the current zero interest rates and austerity budgets more than anything Thatcher done. Whatever else, the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. We have local elections as well as a few Mayoral Elections this week, be prepared for shocks and protest votes.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 5:16:05 PM   
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Again, you dont' really pay attention much.

Virtually every deal negotiated by obama - including the tppp - is a disaster. Any trade deal where trade flows pretty much one way - I look forward to trump renegotiating.

I believe that EVERY import should be rigorously tested for compliance with US law. No lead in chinese toys. I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.

So nice try. Play again soon.

Talk about not paying attention! All your angst about lead in Chinese toys and China is not a member of this trade deal.

It involves 12 countries: the US, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Chile and Peru.

Clearly, you do not know what you are talking about. Bah!


The fact that make assumptions about what I mean is your issue, not mine.

Separate items.

Every deal Obama has negotiated sucks.
This includes the TPP.
I believe that all imports should be tested for compliance with US consumer safety laws.
Fortune 500 companies should be broken up.

This has nothing to do with the TPPP. You might have drawn a clue from me saying the fortune 500 co's should be broken up. It was in response to you saying I'm hard right republican.

I recounted (again) for you numerous times I have posted opinions at variance with hard right positions. I've also said I'm pro environment (such as clean water act). I'm anti GMO. I believe unions have a role - or should have a role in training and standardization of trades - master carpenter. journeymen electrician etc.


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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 5:59:03 PM   
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I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.

A very left-wing idea.


Lefties want to destroy companies because they think corporations are bad. I think corporations are awesome - but I want to unlock the value trapped in them so they can be nimbler.

I don't care whether its left wing or right wing. I only care if its effective.

Corporations can compete on scale, or they can innovate and compete on idea.
Smaller companies innovate.

Additionally executive compensation increases with the size of the business. Manage a million dollar company - you'll get 100k. Manage 100,M company - you'll get 2-5 mil. Manage 5 billion dollar company - 10 mil.

Additionally, large companies, large unions are easier for politicians to shake down.

Finally, the larger a company, the easier it is to outsource labor.

Final point: The larger the company, the more other countries can compete. If an american company is a steel mill, and it has 10,000 people - China can compete with 15000 people at half the price.

Whereas a company thats 50, 75 , 200 - its the quality of those individual people that matter - and an area where the US excels.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 6:03:40 PM   
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LOL. That doesn't make you a conservative here.



it doesnt make me a leftie either (& certainly not cuz you call me that).. I am neither left or right by US standards, I disagree with both sides (or have you missed my anti-Hillary rants?? & my anti-both party rants??).. It gets tiring being called a leftie by the American righties and being called a rightie by the American lefties.. just cuz y'all need to pick a party (to vote your rights away with) doesnt mean i need to pick one.. But I am not sure what this has to do with riots in France!

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/1/2016 6:24:25 PM   
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I believe most of the fortune 500 companies should be broken apart - an all the biggest banks.

A very left-wing idea.


Not necessarily. Free Markets require competition. The biggest banks and. probably, most of the Fortune 500 companies are probably more inhibiting of competition, so it just might make sense to break them up.

"Too big to fail" took their life ring $$ and bought up smaller banks, making them even bigger. If they were too big to fail before, what are they now?




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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 4:20:50 AM   
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LOL. That doesn't make you a conservative here.


You pull definitions out of your ass like turds.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 6:27:30 AM   
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Every deal Obama has negotiated sucks.
This includes the TPP.

It is a hollow exercise to make remarks of such sweeping generalizations. In what way do they suck? What particulars do you take issue with? Specifics, please. Your comment is otherwise meaningless and a bit foolish, very foolish.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 6:37:01 AM   
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Additionally, large companies, large unions are easier for politicians to shake down.

Finally, the larger a company, the easier it is to outsource labor.

Get real. Large companies and unions supply the lifeblood of politics ~ CASH ~ thus they can buy and control legislation and votes.

Right, outsource labor and the working class struggles with debt. Come the defaults, comes the consumer crash. You cannot have a market without demand.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 7:38:54 AM   
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... But I am not sure what this has to do with riots in France!



Nothing at all of course.

Did you expect anything else?

Whatever topic appears on P&R it is just the cue for the usual rant about US right/left.


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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 9:12:09 AM   
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Lefties want to destroy companies because they think corporations are bad.

Incorrect, also "companies" and "corporations" are not the same thing

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 9:14:48 AM   
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But I am not sure what this has to do with riots in France!

Well fuck all, of course...well other than the fact that to many Yanks everything is a left/right Rep/Dem thing. It's all about them don't you know.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 9:56:41 AM   
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Lefties want to destroy companies because they think corporations are bad.

Maybe you could get one of the grown ups at the library to help you with a dictionary. The two words do not mean what you think, or would like others to think, they mean.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 9:58:04 AM   
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Well fuck all, of course...well other than the fact that to many Yanks everything is a left/right Rep/Dem thing. It's all about them don't you know.

Some of us refer to then as "yank offs"


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RE: The French are rioting again! - 5/2/2016 3:53:24 PM   
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Look - we get it -you're so far left that you think Obama is a right of centre corporate type.

Incorrect, it is his policies that place him squarely as a right of centre corporatist.

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