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Some of us refer to then as "yank offs"

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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But I am not sure what this has to do with riots in France!

Well fuck all, of course...well other than the fact that to many Yanks everything is a left/right Rep/Dem thing. It's all about them don't you know.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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personal shortcomings and failings aside, conflict can almost inevitably be traced back to competing/conflicting social/political worldviews.

to suppose one is "above the fray" and not into the whole "left/right" thing is to either be more or less rudderless, ultimately disingenuous, or upon closer examination, essentially not true.

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riot in my pantaloons

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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personal shortcomings and failings aside, conflict can almost inevitably be traced back to competing/conflicting social/political worldviews.

to suppose one is "above the fray" and not into the whole "left/right" thing is to either be more or less rudderless, ultimately disingenuous, or upon closer examination, essentially not true.

The problem is that you Yanks remove all nuance and all shadings out of the discussion, everything is Liberal or Conservative to you guys, and that just isn't true in the actual world, it's not true anywhere, including the US, but your insistence of having to shove everything into either column A or column B renders most of the opinions you express both irrelevant and for the most part laughably simplistic.

P.S. The "you" referred to there was not you personally per se, but rather a collective you directed at the majority of Americans I have interacted with and observed.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

you non-Yanks don't actually understand the gradation of american thought

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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But I am not sure what this has to do with riots in France!

Well fuck all, of course...well other than the fact that to many Yanks everything is a left/right Rep/Dem thing. It's all about them don't you know.

personal shortcomings and failings aside, conflict can almost inevitably be traced back to competing/conflicting social/political worldviews.

to suppose one is "above the fray" and not into the whole "left/right" thing is to either be more or less rudderless, ultimately disingenuous, or upon closer examination, essentially not true.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


The problem is you non-Yanks don't actually understand the gradation of american thought, and yet still feel qualified to comment on it.

You think because you read and hear the lowest common denominator of American thought that you therefor are qualified to speak on American thought, politics, statecraft or what have you.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


The problem is you non-Yanks don't actually understand the gradation of american thought, and yet still feel qualified to comment on it.

You think because you read and hear the lowest common denominator of American thought that you therefor are qualified to speak on American thought, politics, statecraft or what have you.

The "non-Yanks" can, however, feel qualified to reject the relevance of your "American thought" applied to non-American topics.

You imply that Americans obviously are - by nature or whatever - qualified to speak not only on American "Statecraft" and whatever American else but also on everything else whereas non-American can't on anything

But what is "American thought" when it so obviously based on misconception, ignorance of relevant information, bias to exclusively American categories, adoration of simple categorization ...

Is "American thought" of any relevance to the rest of the world when the quality of discussions based on it leave pretty much to be desired?

Julius Caesar already supposed said "Bis repetita non placet" - Twice repeated does not please. These forum pages are full of hundreds of "American thoughts" applied on whatever topic repeated endlessly over and over and over again. Predictably repeating the same quality of "American thought" irrelevant to many topics - just like this one here. And the result is boredom.


Anyone ever wondering about "French thought" about what was happening in France? Just a thought ...

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Wherever there is conflict between the West -- identified as white, capitalist or of European roots -- and the non-West, the left portrays the West as the villain...

The left similarly describes any suggestion that anything Western is superior to anything non-Western. Likewise, it dismisses virtually all Western achievements, but regards criticism of anything non-Western as racist, chauvinistic, imperialist, colonialist, xenophobic, etc...

That is why the left is so protective of Islam...It is not that the left is sympathetic to Islam, for it has contempt for all religions. It is that many Muslims loathe the West, and the enemies of my enemy (the West) must be protected...

That is why the left loathes Israel. If the left actually cared about human rights, women's rights, gay rights, or freedom of speech, religion and press, it would be wildly pro-Israel. But Israel, in the left's view, is white, European and colonialist, or in other words, Western. And the Palestinians are non-Western.

So, the Big Question is, why? Why is the left hostile toward Western civilization?

After decades of considering this question, I have concluded the answer is this: standards.

The left hates standards -- moral standards, artistic standards, cultural standards. The West is built on all three, and it has excelled in all three.

Why does the left hate standards? It hates standards because when there are standards, there is judgment. And leftists don't want to be judged.

[much more at the site]

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I had to chuckle at the notion "politics seems a simple excuse" since you suggest Scargill wanted for force a political election. You cant have a trade union continually causing chaos to bring down an elected government, that simply isnt how democracy works. The Miners had to be stopped.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a part of the larger conversation:

"Why the Left Loathes Western Civilization"

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Wherever there is conflict between the West -- identified as white, capitalist or of European roots -- and the non-West, the left portrays the West as the villain...

The left similarly describes any suggestion that anything Western is superior to anything non-Western. Likewise, it dismisses virtually all Western achievements, but regards criticism of anything non-Western as racist, chauvinistic, imperialist, colonialist, xenophobic, etc...

That is why the left is so protective of Islam...It is not that the left is sympathetic to Islam, for it has contempt for all religions. It is that many Muslims loathe the West, and the enemies of my enemy (the West) must be protected...

That is why the left loathes Israel. If the left actually cared about human rights, women's rights, gay rights, or freedom of speech, religion and press, it would be wildly pro-Israel. But Israel, in the left's view, is white, European and colonialist, or in other words, Western. And the Palestinians are non-Western.

So, the Big Question is, why? Why is the left hostile toward Western civilization?

After decades of considering this question, I have concluded the answer is this: standards.

The left hates standards -- moral standards, artistic standards, cultural standards. The West is built on all three, and it has excelled in all three.

Why does the left hate standards? It hates standards because when there are standards, there is judgment. And leftists don't want to be judged.

[much more at the site]

http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2016/04/26/why-the-left-loathes-western-civilization-n2153625

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surgeons, doctors, interns, med students.