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OsideGirl -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 3:30:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange. Technically BDSM isn't about power exchange. BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. It's kinky sex. It's feeding a fetish. A power exchange would be D/s, M/s, TPE etc. While many people engage in both BDSM and D/s - they are not the same thing.

LadyPact -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 3:41:30 PM)
Fast Reply> Dear OP, The question that you should be asking is not the definition of a fetish. It should be, "what is Dominance". By definition, Dominance is the following: noun noun: dominance power and influence over others. "the worldwide dominance of Hollywood" synonyms: supremacy, superiority, ascendancy, preeminence, predominance, domination, dominion, mastery, power, authority, rule, command, control, sway; literarypuissance "a position of political dominance" So.... If person A gives the command that person B will give them their money, and they do it, how is that not influence? If they actually DO IT, are they not disciplined to do what they are told?

Wayward5oul -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 3:42:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her. There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand. I nominate this for the Best Quotes thread.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 3:56:01 PM)
[sm=cheerleader.gif][sm=cheerleader.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her. There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand. [sm=cheerleader.gif][sm=cheerleader.gif][sm=cheerleader.gif]

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:01:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littleladybug quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange. But "Financial Domination" IS about power exchange. Think about the actual meaning of the words "Financial Domination" - to dominate someone's finances. As it is typically practiced, a Fin Domme is really closer to a 'sugar baby.' I suppose you could compare this to a "service top" - but a "service top" isn't actually in charge either. Being for sale is NOT a dominant trait. However, would you argue that a "service top", who isn't actually in charge, is not engaging in BDSM? No. I'd argue that they're not really a top. They're a contractor, serving a client. They're role playing.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:05:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal No, not all of BDSM is all about power exchange. Technically BDSM isn't about power exchange. BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Sado-Masochism. It's kinky sex. It's feeding a fetish. A power exchange would be D/s, M/s, TPE etc. While many people engage in both BDSM and D/s - they are not the same thing. The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM Power exchange is absolutely a part of BDSM. Fin-Domme, though as it's practiced on this site isn't any of that. It's a role-play game.

LadyPact -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:06:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal No. I'd argue that they're not really a top. They're a contractor, serving a client. They're role playing. Dude, you just lost this debate sixteen ways to Sunday.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom I don't understand why a guy would send money to a woman's paypal account without ever meeting her. There's not enough storage available on this site's servers to document that which you don't understand. I nominate this for the Best Quotes thread. Whatever for? Why would a guy send money to a Nigerian Prince he doesn't know? Hell... often enough those Nigerian Princes are also FemDommes.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:09:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal No. I'd argue that they're not really a top. They're a contractor, serving a client. They're role playing. Dude, you just lost this debate sixteen ways to Sunday. Why? Because you've got no rebuttal?

OsideGirl -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:22:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet.

LadyPact -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:25:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal Why? Because you've got no rebuttal? No, because you haven't thought it through. Regardless of motivations, I can assure you that tops are tops no matter the underlying precedence. The commonly accepted term for top is "do-er'. The person who takes the active stance in a scene. If I were to go and service top someone tomorrow, it wouldn't change my skill set in throwing a whip. The original question was about BDSM. Even if we get into the least of power exchange, isn't S/m still about sadism and masochism? Service tops, even paid ones, fall into that.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:25:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet. Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done. In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living.

OsideGirl -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:28:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet. Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done. In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living. Nope, you can engage in BDSM and not be interested in D/s. I have a friend who is a masochist, she enjoys pain and will bottom in a BDSM scene, but she is not interested in being submissive in the slightest. I have friends that have a D/s power exchange relationship and don't engage in BDSM.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:33:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal Why? Because you've got no rebuttal? No, because you haven't thought it through. Regardless of motivations, I can assure you that tops are tops no matter the underlying precedence. The commonly accepted term for top is "do-er'. The person who takes the active stance in a scene. If I were to go and service top someone tomorrow, it wouldn't change my skill set in throwing a whip. The original question was about BDSM. Even if we get into the least of power exchange, isn't S/m still about sadism and masochism? Service tops, even paid ones, fall into that. No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title). As noted in my first post, there is a way to do that in the context of a power exchange. As it's typically practiced though, the power exchange is backwards. If you're doing this as a professional, the reality of that is you're providing a service to a client that they will pay for. At the end of the day, it's about making THEM happy. Otherwise they don't come back and you don't get paid. That's the true nature of the power exchange. And you know what? Good for you on throwing that whip. I'm sure you've been highly trained by professionals to know how to do it in just such a way to properly service your clients.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:35:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet. Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done. In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living. Nope, you can engage in BDSM and not be interested in D/s. I have a friend who is a masochist, she enjoys pain and will bottom in a BDSM scene, but she is not interested in being submissive in the slightest. I have friends that have a D/s power exchange relationship and don't engage in BDSM. Yep. But the question at hand is about Financial Domination. Now you're talking about sadism and masochism. Which is a separate piece of this. Domination and Submission (of the financial variety) is the topic at hand.

LadyPact -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:44:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet. Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done. In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living. Actually, she's right. If you look back to your proper history, the 'D/s' part of the acronym didn't show up until the Usenet days. It really had nothing to do with it's origins, which were found in the former DSM. S/m comes from the Sader/Mach era, which predates any of the other stuff by hundreds of years. Dominance/submission was not included in the DSM, as, for the times, it was common for a woman to follow her husband in decisions. As such, it was not considered a perversion, which is supposed to be what BDSM was supposed to cover in the DSM 3. It wasn't until the Usenet era that the BDD/sSM flavor came into being. (That's the Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, submission, Sadism, Masochism thing.) Nobody can substantial multiple definitions for the acronym prior to the early eighties.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:49:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: The original question was about BDSM. No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title). Would that be the thread title Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM?

LadyPact -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:50:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title). As noted in my first post, there is a way to do that in the context of a power exchange. As it's typically practiced though, the power exchange is backwards. If you're doing this as a professional, the reality of that is you're providing a service to a client that they will pay for. At the end of the day, it's about making THEM happy. Otherwise they don't come back and you don't get paid. That's the true nature of the power exchange. And you know what? Good for you on throwing that whip. I'm sure you've been highly trained by professionals to know how to do it in just such a way to properly service your clients. With all due respect, do not insult me. If you want to throw accusations, this will not end well.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:53:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: The original question was about BDSM. No, the original question was about Financial Domination (see the thread title). Would that be the thread title Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM? Yes it would. The topic is financial domination. In order to understand whether or not it's a genuine part of BDSM, we must understand what Financial Domination is.

TheCabal -> RE: Is financial domination a genuine part of BDSM ? (5/4/2016 4:54:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheCabal The DS part of "BDSM" is often used as "Dominance and Submission." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BDSM That's the incorrect use of the acronym bastardized by the internet. Oh. I see. If you disagree with something it can be wrong. If someone else disagrees with something, they're wrong. Well done. In all seriousness, power exchange is a critical piece of this puzzle. Unless, of course, you're doing this as a professional and want the clients to think you're in charge instead of the reality which is: you need to provide them with a service that they'll pay for in order to make a living. Actually, she's right. If you look back to your proper history, the 'D/s' part of the acronym didn't show up until the Usenet days. It really had nothing to do with it's origins, which were found in the former DSM. S/m comes from the Sader/Mach era, which predates any of the other stuff by hundreds of years. Dominance/submission was not included in the DSM, as, for the times, it was common for a woman to follow her husband in decisions. As such, it was not considered a perversion, which is supposed to be what BDSM was supposed to cover in the DSM 3. It wasn't until the Usenet era that the BDD/sSM flavor came into being. (That's the Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, submission, Sadism, Masochism thing.) Nobody can substantial multiple definitions for the acronym prior to the early eighties. Oh. Well then you have our answer. Financial Domination has NOTHING TO DO with BDSM. Since it's about Dominance and Submission.

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