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people do not pack table saws around with the intent of finding danger in a situation they would be forced to use it in.

Nobody legally carrying a firearm actively looks for a reason to use deadly force.

why do they carry them?

People get concealed carry permits for a variety of reasons, mostly to defend themselves by carrying a concealed firearm.

You appear to be an anti-rights advocate who claims to have an FFL and now a concealed carry permit. Why do you have an FFL if you don't like firearms? Why do you have a concealed carry permit if you do not carry a firearm? Why do you have both of these things if you dislike firearms?

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people do not pack table saws around with the intent of finding danger in a situation they would be forced to use it in.

Nobody legally carrying a firearm actively looks for a reason to use deadly force.

I've had a concealed carry permit for over a dozen years. I keep in mind my best line of defense is to not be where things are dangerous. I think that was a straw man.

I have had concealed carry permits over 35 years. I dont carry. But why would you?

I haven't had a flat tire in, probably, forty years but I've always had a jack and spare tire in the trunk. I've used it twice in those years to help stranded women with flats. I carry for two reasons. Evidence shows that the more people that carry, the lower the physical crime rate for everyone. And, just in case that one bad thing happens.

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I have no idea what you put before the court, iow I would actually need to review the paperwork and the laws in your state and compare them. Courts are like door locks, you have the have the proper key to properly open the lock. The scum bag BAR 'association' and friends have long since done away with justices of the peace in the original sense who had wide discretion to read interpret your complaint and those courts no longer exist and today even small claims courts are infested with attorneys which totally changed the nature of the judical system. Like the previous post your problem may lie elsewhere for all I know and it is impossible to make any kind of solid dertermination whithout examining your paperwork, but it that judge treated it that way then I expect you had the wrong key sorry to hear.

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people do not pack table saws around with the intent of finding danger in a situation they would be forced to use it in.

Nobody legally carrying a firearm actively looks for a reason to use deadly force.

I've had a concealed carry permit for over a dozen years. I keep in mind my best line of defense is to not be where things are dangerous. I think that was a straw man.

I have had concealed carry permits over 35 years. I dont carry. But why would you?

I haven't had a flat tire in, probably, forty years but I've always had a jack and spare tire in the trunk. I've used it twice in those years to help stranded women with flats. I carry for two reasons. Evidence shows that the more people that carry, the lower the physical crime rate for everyone. And, just in case that one bad thing happens.

Exactly so, why dont you carry a table saw? You carry to use. Just in case.

Lets not bullshit here, wilbur.

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People get concealed carry permits for a variety of reasons, mostly to defend themselves by carrying a concealed firearm.

You appear to be an anti-rights advocate who claims to have an FFL and now a concealed carry permit. Why do you have an FFL if you don't like firearms? Why do you have a concealed carry permit if you do not carry a firearm? Why do you have both of these things if you dislike firearms?

q.e.d.

Please note the bolding.

Why do you beg strawmen? How the fuck do you come to this dislike of firearms? You carry it it use it. You have said as much.

Why don't you carry a table saw?
If you own 50 guns, I own (and I do own them) around 250 more than you,
I will freely admit there are a couple in that collection I don't really care for all that much.

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

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People get concealed carry permits for a variety of reasons, mostly to defend themselves by carrying a concealed firearm.

You appear to be an anti-rights advocate who claims to have an FFL and now a concealed carry permit. Why do you have an FFL if you don't like firearms? Why do you have a concealed carry permit if you do not carry a firearm? Why do you have both of these things if you dislike firearms?

q.e.d.

Please note the bolding.

Why do you beg strawmen? How the fuck do you come to this dislike of firearms? You carry it it use it. You have said as much.

Why don't you carry a table saw?
If you own 50 guns, I own (and I do own them) around 250 more than you,
I will freely admit there are a couple in that collection I don't really care for all that much.

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

3..41 ....... 02991 (fill in the blanks just the numbers in the 3 boxes)

I'm not following your "logic", are you attempting to say a table saw is a better defensive weapon than a firearm or that the mere act of carrying a firearm means one wants to use it? If the latter, does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher I am looking forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill?

If the former, you should have no problems citing articles extolling the virtues of table saws for self defense. I look forward to reading those articles.

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People get concealed carry permits for a variety of reasons, mostly to defend themselves by carrying a concealed firearm.

You appear to be an anti-rights advocate who claims to have an FFL and now a concealed carry permit. Why do you have an FFL if you don't like firearms? Why do you have a concealed carry permit if you do not carry a firearm? Why do you have both of these things if you dislike firearms?

q.e.d.

Please note the bolding.

Why do you beg strawmen? How the fuck do you come to this dislike of firearms? You carry it it use it. You have said as much.

Why don't you carry a table saw?
If you own 50 guns, I own (and I do own them) around 250 more than you,
I will freely admit there are a couple in that collection I don't really care for all that much.

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

3..41 ....... 02991 (fill in the blanks just the numbers in the 3 boxes)

I'm not following your "logic", are you attempting to say a table saw is a better defensive weapon than a firearm or that the mere act of carrying a firearm means one wants to use it? If the latter, does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher I am looking forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill?

If the former, you should have no problems citing articles extolling the virtues of table saws for self defense. I look forward to reading those articles.

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you carry to use, just in case

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I'm not following your "logic", are you attempting to say a table saw is a better defensive weapon than a firearm or that the mere act of carrying a firearm means one wants to use it? If the latter, does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher I am looking forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill?

If the former, you should have no problems citing articles extolling the virtues of table saws for self defense. I look forward to reading those articles.

No, I am not, it is just that you read an interchange, without seeing it and have a knee jerk reaction. Wilbur said they are for self defense, now I never said anyone looks forward to anything, that was your pathetic strawman. However, you carry to use. And this has nothing to do much with the OP other than, you carry to use, just in case, however you want to spin your asswipe, and therefore, in domestic violence situations, the weapons should rightfully be removed, because they are there to be used. You can extoll the virtues of carrying a gun, to never use it. Not ever, for any reason.

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So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it?

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So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it?

No, and he never said it did, which is why your argument is indeed a strawman. However, the only reason to carry a concealed handgun is to use if you need to, if you intended to just frighten off potential trouble you would carry it openly.

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I'm not following your "logic", are you attempting to say a table saw is a better defensive weapon than a firearm or that the mere act of carrying a firearm means one wants to use it? If the latter, does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher I am looking forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill?

If the former, you should have no problems citing articles extolling the virtues of table saws for self defense. I look forward to reading those articles.

No, I am not, it is just that you read an interchange, without seeing it and have a knee jerk reaction. Wilbur said they are for self defense, now I never said anyone looks forward to anything, that was your pathetic strawman. However, you carry to use. And this has nothing to do much with the OP other than, you carry to use, just in case, however you want to spin your asswipe, and therefore, in domestic violence situations, the weapons should rightfully be removed, because they are there to be used. You can extoll the virtues of carrying a gun, to never use it. Not ever, for any reason.

You say it's my "pathetic strawman" yet you continue to say one carries "to use". So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it? Does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher one looks forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill? You've conveniently avoided answering these questions. The answer, of course, is no: merely having a fire extinguisher does not mean one seeks out fires in order to use said fire extinguisher. Likewise, one does not carry a firearm looking for a reason to use it. If you have taken any CCW courses (again, you say you have a CCW permit) you would know this.

In the case of being accused of domestic violence, or any crime, I'd hope one would want an indictment before extinguishing any Constitutionally protected right(s). However, the people that wish for civilian disarmament make up these "common sense" arguments in order to advance their agenda -- and, unfortunately, lots of Americans who are clearly unfamiliar with our country's history buy into it believing various (and repeated) encroachments on their rights somehow guarantees their safety.

If I was to accuse you of domestic violence, please list the rights you would give up before being found guilty.

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I'm not following your "logic", are you attempting to say a table saw is a better defensive weapon than a firearm or that the mere act of carrying a firearm means one wants to use it? If the latter, does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher I am looking forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill?

If the former, you should have no problems citing articles extolling the virtues of table saws for self defense. I look forward to reading those articles.

No, I am not, it is just that you read an interchange, without seeing it and have a knee jerk reaction. Wilbur said they are for self defense, now I never said anyone looks forward to anything, that was your pathetic strawman. However, you carry to use. And this has nothing to do much with the OP other than, you carry to use, just in case, however you want to spin your asswipe, and therefore, in domestic violence situations, the weapons should rightfully be removed, because they are there to be used. You can extoll the virtues of carrying a gun, to never use it. Not ever, for any reason.

You say it's my "pathetic strawman" yet you continue to say one carries "to use". So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it? Does that mean by owning a fire extinguisher one looks forward to putting out a fire? Does an alarm system on a vehicle mean one looks forward to it being stolen? Does health insurance mean one looks forward to being ill? You've conveniently avoided answering these questions. The answer, of course, is no: merely having a fire extinguisher does not mean one seeks out fires in order to use said fire extinguisher. Likewise, one does not carry a firearm looking for a reason to use it. If you have taken any CCW courses (again, you say you have a CCW permit) you would know this.

In the case of being accused of domestic violence, or any crime, I'd hope one would want an indictment before extinguishing any Constitutionally protected right(s). However, the people that wish for civilian disarmament make up these "common sense" arguments in order to advance their agenda -- and, unfortunately, lots of Americans who are clearly unfamiliar with our country's history buy into it believing various (and repeated) encroachments on their rights somehow guarantees their safety.

If I was to accuse you of domestic violence, please list the rights you would give up before being found guilty.

It doesn't matter what you accuse me of, we dont live together. The law is, and has been, if you are accused (and there are cops and prosecutors and so on that believe there is enough evidence of your crime) of domestic violence, you may not possess guns. If you are subsequently found guilty, the show is over, if innocent the guns returned.

And all the rhetoric good and bad, it makes no difference, it is the law, and it is constitutional.

Now, various and repeated encroachments are always with us, some are ignorant and some are enlightened, liberties, in a free society are not without let or hindrance. Life is not now, and has never been, nor never will be an allie allie in free.

If you are accused of murder, you will at hindrance to your liberty, be spending the weekend in the slam, as detrimental as that is to the notion of liberty.

You said that you carry to use, in answer to my why, I bolded it, dont put words in my mouth. You said it. Own it.

One walks into the ice cream store with ones gun to protect oneself, but quiver at the thought of a transvestite, an inter-sexed, or sex changed person shitting next to you in two different locked stalls. So, freedom is always a one way street for someone.

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Oh undertail, post 72 you began the assertions of carrying with the intent of finding danger in which they can use. The rest of your argument is an affirming the consequent fallacious argument. Not worth paying attention to really. And to think you're the pillar the other nasties here bedrock upon.

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You can have my tablesaw when you pry it from my cold dead hands...

~one of wilbur's many socks.

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You can have my tablesaw when you pry it from my cold dead hands...

~one of wilbur's many socks.

the sock never changes idiocies, its rather easy.