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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 12:03:53 AM   
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The primary purpose is to rule on the Constitutionality of laws passed by Congress.

Not according to the Constitution. In fact that was something the Supreme Court decided it had the power to do (based on the idea that the Justices had sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution) in 1803 in the case of Marbury vs Madison.
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They do not hear crimanal or civil cases.

Incorrect.
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The United States Supreme Court is a federal court, meaning in part that it can hear cases prosecuted by the U.S. government. (The Court also decides civil cases.) The Court can also hear just about any kind of state-court case, as long as it involves federal law, including the Constitution.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-cases-does-the-us-supreme-court-hear.html
It appears that you do not know quite as much about the US Supreme Court as you thought you did.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 12:08:48 AM   
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"In the meantime, accused of domestic violence? Lose the guns till the dispostion of the case. Nothing breaking about states doing what is already in the fed law.
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OK, "Officer, Ron scared me and I need him out of here, arrested and I am going to need a restraining order against him".

Cop : "Why, what did he do ?".
Broad : "Nothing, I just think he might".
Cop : "Why do you think that ?".
Broad : "I just do".
Cop : "Come with us sir, you are under arrest, put your hands behind your back".

According to the law here, if ANYONE in the same domicile even feels threatened the other goes to jail. An ex-boss of mine, who would never hurt anyone got stabbed by his olady that way. Things had been on the rocks for a while and they were cohabitating and fixing up the house for sale now that the kids are gone. They were selling it and getting a divorce. Well she aggravated the shit out of him one day and I can tell you he has a long fuse. One time he says "Well maybe I should just kill you" or something to that effect. For those words he goes to jail and can not go back there without a police escort to get his stuff. And as far as I know, at least at the time he did not have a gun. But what if he had ? What a fucking mess that would be if he had an old bank sized safe with tons of iron in it. And what if he is the only one with the combination, and they demand he open it ? Apple anyone ? Fingerprint anyone ?

When you want someone not to be able to do anything, spend the fucking money and put them in jail. If you can't do that, leave them alone. Fuck their olady. You know how they are.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 12:11:01 AM   
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In fact, Thomas Jefferson disagreed with the whole idea of judicial review.
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You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves

https://books.google.com/books?id=vvVVhCadyK4C&pg=PA178#v=onepage&q&f=false

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 12:44:43 AM   
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"[T]he courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges as, a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents.[20]"

I believe there is a part of that ruling that declares that a law that is in repugnance to the Constitution is null and void to its face, or some such. But the above does seem to somewhat express that. The part I mentioned is elsewhere.

And how else could it be ? Why even have a Constitution if it is not enforceable ? Why would they bother to do all this writing if it was not to be the law of the land, and I mean the law over governments. Do you stop freedom of speech ? Do you take people's guns ? Do you ompel them to testify against themself ? Do you take their property without due process ?

Of course you don't, governments do that and that is what the Constitution is supposed to at least slow down. Doesn't seem to have worked all that well. All we got is freedom of speech, but only at home pretty much, and guns, also pretty much at home. And those two rights we supposedly still got instead of other countries, you can really use them. Buy airtime on TV, even the radio. And go actually shoot someone. You are usually going to jail, even if for a night because they look to see if you know the person you shot, to see if you had a motive.

Some places make it a separate offense to refuse a breathalyser or drug test. Other places will strap you down and take blood against your will.

And you do not have to be out there on the road. Woman in PA has the news media at her house. She had a bunch of kids, hospital wanted to give her a Csection, she refused. Her and Husband walked out and went to another hospital where the baby was delivered just fine by normal methods. In the meantime the hospital lawyers made her a ward. This actually led to the changes in the rules in PA about this shit but it didn't help Rodriguez. He simply wanted to discuss the effects of the chemicals used in fracking which had caused the patient's kidney failure. I heard about it because he went to court to get an exception, or variance and in like five milliseconds the answer was NO. And these chemicals are directly responsible for that person's renal failure, period. The exposure method is known, it was a leak.

Bottom line, they do not work for us. They want everyone's guns because they know which way they are eventually going to be pointed.

You used to run in to people at the grocery, maybe a councilman or whatever. Not no mo. We might hate shopping but I bet some of them wish they could. HA, they can't go out alone, like a little kid. Well that's the price you pay for the la dolce vita.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 5:20:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"In the meantime, accused of domestic violence? Lose the guns till the dispostion of the case. Nothing breaking about states doing what is already in the fed law.
"


OK, "Officer, Ron scared me and I need him out of here, arrested and I am going to need a restraining order against him".

Cop : "Why, what did he do ?".
Broad : "Nothing, I just think he might".
Cop : "Why do you think that ?".
Broad : "I just do".
Cop : "Come with us sir, you are under arrest, put your hands behind your back".

According to the law here, if ANYONE in the same domicile even feels threatened the other goes to jail. An ex-boss of mine, who would never hurt anyone got stabbed by his olady that way. Things had been on the rocks for a while and they were cohabitating and fixing up the house for sale now that the kids are gone. They were selling it and getting a divorce. Well she aggravated the shit out of him one day and I can tell you he has a long fuse. One time he says "Well maybe I should just kill you" or something to that effect. For those words he goes to jail and can not go back there without a police escort to get his stuff. And as far as I know, at least at the time he did not have a gun. But what if he had ? What a fucking mess that would be if he had an old bank sized safe with tons of iron in it. And what if he is the only one with the combination, and they demand he open it ? Apple anyone ? Fingerprint anyone ?

When you want someone not to be able to do anything, spend the fucking money and put them in jail. If you can't do that, leave them alone. Fuck their olady. You know how they are.

T^T

Ja, no. That won't get you or me to jail. And the cops would sieze the entire safe. Over.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 5:24:11 AM   
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In fact, Thomas Jefferson disagreed with the whole idea of judicial review.
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You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps.... Their power [is] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves

https://books.google.com/books?id=vvVVhCadyK4C&pg=PA178#v=onepage&q&f=false

Agreed, however Jefferson was playing put the pony in the barn with Sally Hemmings in France and was not heard in the convention. I do find it rather unseemly that there is no at least yearly review and accounting of SCOTUS. Although how would you stop the political assassinations and petulance of the congress from turning into Benghazi and Email buffoonery.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 5:37:53 AM   
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Personally I thing the Justices should have set terms.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 5:45:25 AM   
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Ja.......but I don't see that as an answer either, because of a few issues needing resolution. Towards the end, the will leave a 'legacy' as it were and may not continue in the same vein. (I could say that better, but I havent the energy) and there is a great deal to be said for not having the judges out 'campaigning' as it were, because the term is up and many want that seat. It would become far more purely partisan political than it is right now. Additionally, there is much to be said for experience. There is also the matter that the law might blow like a candle in the wind.

Like I said, I could have phrased this more eloquently and made more lapidary arguments here, but I haven't the energy, short of coffee.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 6:15:21 AM   
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I meant a single term, so there would be no campaigning. Something like a single 10 year term. that would in fact make the choice of a justice less political, as now who gets chosen can have an effect for an entire generation or more. If somebody in their 40s gets appointed, they can reasonably be sitting for 40 years or more, so it is vital for each party to get one of their own into that seat, but if it were only for 10 years, then it would not be quite as important.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 6:17:48 AM   
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In Canada we retire our justices automatically at age 75, which while not ideal, is at least an improvement on the for life term you guys have.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 6:23:44 AM   
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And in that single term (4, 8, 12, 16 years whatever) my point would be the campaigning the president and the congress would be from the people wanting the vacated seat, it would be continuous, as I said, I could have been clearer.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 6:26:51 AM   
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I don't see that to be as big a problem as the lifetime thing is.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 9:00:59 AM   
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Would not the better solution to be to confiscate all guns. And that's all I can be about writing on this one as its becomes mired down with ludicrous claims oft based on sophistry and low brain wattage.

We Fight With Cannon couldn't find the full scene anyone?

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 9:02:37 AM   
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thats why you will only ever be a sock



It's so easy to keep your mind narrow and small with that sort of thinking isn't it? You obviously have a great deal of experience with it.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 9:33:41 AM   
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Would not the better solution to be to confiscate all guns. And that's all I can be about writing on this one as its becomes mired down with ludicrous claims oft based on sophistry and low brain wattage.

We Fight With Cannon couldn't find the full scene anyone?

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NO!!!

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 11:13:46 AM   
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one carries the firearm in their home, only. One carries the fire extinguisher in public, only. Then they would be similar.

You carry an extra shoelace, a sewing kit, a surgical team, a bail bondsman, and a phalanx of police, a table saw, a deck of cards, safety glasses, a hardhat, steel toed boots, a psychologist, an ambulance, your complete medical records, ad infinitum, "just in case". Then they are similar.

In the meantime, accused of domestic violence? Lose the guns till the dispostion of the case. Nothing breaking about states doing what is already in the fed law.

Federal law requires confiscation UPON CONVICTION, not on accusation.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 11:30:18 AM   
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Yeah, 15 states (or is it more now) do it upon accusation, until disposition, this will be one more.
Yanno, "just in case."

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 11:43:42 AM   
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Yeah, 15 states (or is it more now) do it upon accusation, until disposition, this will be one more.
Yanno, "just in case."

And you said Federal law 15 states is NOT Federal law.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 11:53:21 AM   
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Federal law is clear that convicted may not possess. However if you are under indictment or are awaiting court for 'domestic violence' sort of crimes (the list is a little larger) you may not buy a gun. I don't really separate so much because MN is one of those states that seizes guns on indictment or awaiting, and I don't sell guns out of state.

You want to mince it, fine. There is a minor distinction.



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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 5:58:36 PM   
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Federal law is clear that convicted may not possess. However if you are under indictment or are awaiting court for 'domestic violence' sort of crimes (the list is a little larger) you may not buy a gun. I don't really separate so much because MN is one of those states that seizes guns on indictment or awaiting, and I don't sell guns out of state.

You want to mince it, fine. There is a minor distinction.



It is not mincing to point out that Federal law doesn't say what you claimed,
The mere accusation, has no legal standing.
The diference between an accusation, being charged, and conviction are not a minor distinction.

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