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which I took to mean anyone concealed (or open) carrying is just itching for a chance to use their firearm.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Here's how they try and do it in California. In a state that is overwhelmingly run by lefties, they still have to hide their intent from the public until it's an accomplished fate. These bills are presently being quietly run through the state assembly.

Assembly Bill 156 (McCarty & de Leon) - AB 156, introduced as legislation to combat global warming, now requires the Attorney General to maintain information about ammunition transactions and vendor licenses.

Assembly Bill 857 (Cooper & de Leon) – AB 857, introduced as legislation to reduce greenhouse gases, now serves as a restriction on curios, relics, and home-built firearms.

Assembly Bill 1135 (Levine & Ting) – AB 1135’s introduced as legislation to form the Kings River East Groundwater Sustainability Agency, now serves as a reclassification of certain semi-automatic weapons to assault weapons. With this change any magazine capable of being removed from the firearm without disassembly of the firearm would now be classified as an assault weapon. This includes firearms that require a “tool” to remove the magazine such as rifles equipped with a “bullet button”.

Assembly Bill 1511 (Santiago) – AB 1511’s introduced as energy saving bill, now severely limits the ability to loan a firearm between two law abiding citizens, for example a hunting trip or home protection.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

thats why you will only ever be a sock

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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which I took to mean anyone concealed (or open) carrying is just itching for a chance to use their firearm.

And that is the strawman, because that is NOT what he said, yet that is what you have decided to argue against.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it?

No, and he never said it did, which is why your argument is indeed a strawman. However, the only reason to carry a concealed handgun is to use if you need to, if you intended to just frighten off potential trouble you would carry it openly.

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Their job is to enforce the Constitution.

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Actually Mnottertail did say that people who concealed carry do so to find a situation in which to use the firearm,

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Their job is to enforce the Constitution.

Not according to the Constitution.

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Really. I would like to hear the logic behind that one

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U.S. Constitution
Article III
Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

Section 2.

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

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The government is supposed to be governed by the Constitution, how the hell are they not bound to enforce it ?

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Actually Mnottertail did say that people who concealed carry do so to find a situation in which to use the firearm,

I went back and looked, and you are correct. I apologize to ifmaz. There was no strawman.
Thanks for correcting me BamaD.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

True, and it doesn't help that I often just skip over Mnottertail's posts.

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it?

No, and he never said it did, which is why your argument is indeed a strawman. However, the only reason to carry a concealed handgun is to use if you need to, if you intended to just frighten off potential trouble you would carry it openly.

He said "You carry it it use it. You have said as much." which I took to mean anyone concealed (or open) carrying is just itching for a chance to use their firearm. I said no one goes out looking for a reason to use their firearm. There is an extremely large difference between going out looking for a reason to draw and fire versus carrying for defense. The conversation is similar to having fire extinguishers in the home yet hoping never to have to use them, or are we all secretly wanting to be firemen whenever possible?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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So, again, does the mere act of carrying a firearm mean one wants to use it and actively seeks out situations to use it?

No, and he never said it did, which is why your argument is indeed a strawman. However, the only reason to carry a concealed handgun is to use if you need to, if you intended to just frighten off potential trouble you would carry it openly.

He said "You carry it it use it. You have said as much." which I took to mean anyone concealed (or open) carrying is just itching for a chance to use their firearm. I said no one goes out looking for a reason to use their firearm. There is an extremely large difference between going out looking for a reason to draw and fire versus carrying for defense. The conversation is similar to having fire extinguishers in the home yet hoping never to have to use them, or are we all secretly wanting to be firemen whenever possible?

You can and do take what you want, and I never said that, so you have a strawman. You don't carry a fire extinguisher with you. 'To use, just in case.' It is not similar unless you carry a fire extinguisher with you at all times. Concealed or open, your choice.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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The government is supposed to be governed by the Constitution, how the hell are they not bound to enforce it ?

because, despite what you have been led to believe, the US Constitution is a very poorl;y written and shoddily thought out document.
It is full of huge holes and governed by a bunch of assumptions that the meaning, which was clear to those who wrote it at the time, was made clear, when in many cases it was not.