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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 6:41:30 PM   
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oh, not so, fill out a 4473 pal, see if you are accused, being charged or convicted, you don't get a gun see 11b and 11h.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

Thats federal and has been since you were an E5. So thats like what? 20 years?



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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 7:37:07 PM   
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That doesn't make it right.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/10/2016 10:26:04 PM   
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oh, not so, fill out a 4473 pal, see if you are accused, being charged or convicted, you don't get a gun see 11b and 11h.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

Thats federal and has been since you were an E5. So thats like what? 20 years?



I have, no problems, none at all, and I retired in 93.



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Note that it says nothing about being accused or even charged, only if you have been CONVICTED , or CURRENTLY A FUGETIVE. So you blew it again.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 8:15:29 AM   
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That doesn't make it right.

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It certainly doesnt make it wrong.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 8:26:31 AM   
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BubbaD,

You are a fucking liar. And that is not a 4473.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

Note that I cannot help that you are an imbecile and are incapable of comprehension of what is your native language.



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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 9:35:57 AM   
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BubbaD,

You are a fucking liar. And that is not a 4473.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

Note that I cannot help that you are an imbecile and are incapable of comprehension of what is your native language.



Funny, I copied that from an atf site, and it did include having a restraining order, but that requires a conviction.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 11:03:04 AM   
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and as I pointed out, a restraining order or under information does not require conviction.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

In either case, you are no more than accused.

I cant help it you are too stupid to read or understand, and those were copied from your post, you can backpeddle and wriggle all you want, but you still have shit your pants boy, and will remain in it. If you give it up and skulk away, people will forget your lying propaganda and imbecility, but if you continue on, you will become a celebrity of buffoonery.

Up to you.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 11:12:45 AM   
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and as I pointed out, a restraining order or under information does not require conviction.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

In either case, you are no more than accused.

I cant help it you are too stupid to read or understand, and those were copied from your post, you can backpeddle and wriggle all you want, but you still have shit your pants boy, and will remain in it. If you give it up and skulk away, people will forget your lying propaganda and imbecility, but if you continue on, you will become a celebrity of buffoonery.

Up to you.

You are wrong as usual. You clearly believe in guilty untill proven innocent.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 1:43:16 PM   
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and as I pointed out, a restraining order or under information does not require conviction.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

In either case, you are no more than accused.

I cant help it you are too stupid to read or understand, and those were copied from your post, you can backpeddle and wriggle all you want, but you still have shit your pants boy, and will remain in it. If you give it up and skulk away, people will forget your lying propaganda and imbecility, but if you continue on, you will become a celebrity of buffoonery.

Up to you.

You are wrong as usual. You clearly believe in guilty untill proven innocent.

He's not wrong. He's full of bluff and bluster. He always supplies irrelevant links and expects nobody will read them so his spewing hate will win an argument. So, you have two choices with him. Ignore him completely because he never has anything relevant to say. Or, fuck with him for entertainment value. You're now doing the latter. It's funny, though, how all the lefties want to line up with him. I think it's mostly because in there natural state, lefties like the hate.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 1:48:19 PM   
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I have highligted your continuous lies throughout, you are a welfare patient. And we aint talking, I am holding you in the derision you deserve, you are lying, destroying America and are a burden on the taxpaying citizenry.

I am not a welfare patient, and my "lies" have consisted of disageeing with you, and refuting your lies, I don't have to hold you up to ridicule you, you do that just fine without my help.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 1:59:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and as I pointed out, a restraining order or under information does not require conviction.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

In either case, you are no more than accused.

I cant help it you are too stupid to read or understand, and those were copied from your post, you can backpeddle and wriggle all you want, but you still have shit your pants boy, and will remain in it. If you give it up and skulk away, people will forget your lying propaganda and imbecility, but if you continue on, you will become a celebrity of buffoonery.

Up to you.

You are wrong as usual. You clearly believe in guilty untill proven innocent.

He's not wrong. He's full of bluff and bluster. He always supplies irrelevant links and expects nobody will read them so his spewing hate will win an argument. So, you have two choices with him. Ignore him completely because he never has anything relevant to say. Or, fuck with him for entertainment value. You're now doing the latter. It's funny, though, how all the lefties want to line up with him. I think it's mostly because in there natural state, lefties like the hate.

You understand what I am doing, he is like a slinky.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:01:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and as I pointed out, a restraining order or under information does not require conviction.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

In either case, you are no more than accused.

I cant help it you are too stupid to read or understand, and those were copied from your post, you can backpeddle and wriggle all you want, but you still have shit your pants boy, and will remain in it. If you give it up and skulk away, people will forget your lying propaganda and imbecility, but if you continue on, you will become a celebrity of buffoonery.

Up to you.

You are wrong as usual. You clearly believe in guilty untill proven innocent.

He's not wrong. He's full of bluff and bluster. He always supplies irrelevant links and expects nobody will read them so his spewing hate will win an argument. So, you have two choices with him. Ignore him completely because he never has anything relevant to say. Or, fuck with him for entertainment value. You're now doing the latter. It's funny, though, how all the lefties want to line up with him. I think it's mostly because in there natural state, lefties like the hate.

You understand what I am doing, he is like a slinky.

I think the funniest and most entertaining part is when the lefties line up with him assuming his points are all brilliant.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:06:31 PM   
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BubbaD,

You are a fucking liar. And that is not a 4473.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

Note that I cannot help that you are an imbecile and are incapable of comprehension of what is your native language.



Funny, I copied that from an atf site, and it did include having a restraining order, but that requires a conviction.


Around here, a restraining order does not require a conviction.

T^T

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:12:09 PM   
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nope. you are wrong, and spewing nutsucker welfare patient lunacy. No conviction is necessary. There is no saving you here, you have shit your pants and will sit in it for some time (again, and as usual).

I posted a 4473, you posted a piece of shit. Some partial form, for instance, no UPIN on it (and you don't know what that is).

Anyway, fill out your piece of shit as you have posted and see can you get a gun with it, no, you can't.



A restraining order requires more than a mere acussation, it requires an ajudication by a judge, the accuser cannot just go down and issue it themselves.
Not my fault it didn't copy as clear as I want but even you should be able to see that it was a 4473, and it not only didn't say anything about being accused, it didn't even say anything about having been charged unless it resulted in a convictionl

And why do you insist on the lie that I am a welfare patient, now adding the inference that I am a mental patient?


Because he is a fucking asshole. Always has been.

T^T

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:29:32 PM   
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oh, not so, fill out a 4473 pal, see if you are accused, being charged or convicted, you don't get a gun see 11b and 11h.
https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

Thats federal and has been since you were an E5. So thats like what? 20 years?



The 4473 changes. Here's a couple of links to a recent change:

http://www.ocshooters.com/Gen/Form-4473/ATF-Form-4473.htm



https://www.atf.gov/file/56421/download

In the ATF announcement discussing the 2005 change it mentions that at the time the 2001 version was being used. I believe we are currently using the 2012 version. So your statement that the form has been that way for 20 years is certainly not knowledgeable.

The current version has question 11b asking,"are you under indictment or information for a felony (emphasis the aft), or any other crime for which the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one year..."

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

Question 11h askes, "Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

I note a couple of things. None of the above references being accused. All of it references being indicted and ajudicated in court. Secondly, that form is used to buy new guns and has nothing to do with existing guns you may own.



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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:29:34 PM   
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BubbaD,

You are a fucking liar. And that is not a 4473.

b. Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime, for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year?

h. Are you subject to a court order restraining you from harassing, stalking, or threatening your child or an intimate partner or child of such partner?

Note that I cannot help that you are an imbecile and are incapable of comprehension of what is your native language.



Funny, I copied that from an atf site, and it did include having a restraining order, but that requires a conviction.


Around here, a restraining order does not require a conviction.

T^T

It does, however, require a formal ajudication by the courts does it not?
Otherwise accusation = conviction.
Here you have to go before a judge.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:31:01 PM   
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nope. you are wrong, and spewing nutsucker welfare patient lunacy. No conviction is necessary. There is no saving you here, you have shit your pants and will sit in it for some time (again, and as usual).

I posted a 4473, you posted a piece of shit. Some partial form, for instance, no UPIN on it (and you don't know what that is).

Anyway, fill out your piece of shit as you have posted and see can you get a gun with it, no, you can't.



A restraining order requires more than a mere acussation, it requires an ajudication by a judge, the accuser cannot just go down and issue it themselves.
Not my fault it didn't copy as clear as I want but even you should be able to see that it was a 4473, and it not only didn't say anything about being accused, it didn't even say anything about having been charged unless it resulted in a convictionl

And why do you insist on the lie that I am a welfare patient, now adding the inference that I am a mental patient?


Because he is a fucking asshole. Always has been.

T^T

yep

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:37:58 PM   
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Yes, a restraining order is issued by a judge, but the "accused" is not present to defend himself so it is not a trial by any stretch. It is like being semi-convicted in absentia without notice.

It is not right, but this is Ohio and there are a hell of alot of things not right. They put a guy in jail for not having lids on his garbage cans in Cleveland. F. Lee Bailey refused to practice law here because there is no Constitution.

For a disgruntled Wife, getting a restraining order is as easy as the cops getting a search warrant. The judge just signs it. Actually for poor people they don't even bother with search warrants but some people do have some moxie and they know who they are. So the cops just get in line and the judge pretty much rubber stamps their search warrants. And the restrictions ? Where is to be searched and items to be sought ? Simple, they just put "The whole property" and "Anything illegal".

T^T

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 2:42:21 PM   
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and it has been since you have been alive or before. No breaking anything here in this thread.

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RE: Breaking: Connecticut Passes Gun Confiscation Bill ... - 5/11/2016 3:26:33 PM   
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I don't attack anyone for disagreeing with me.
What I throw at you is complementary compared to the garbage you spew out at everyone.
And you repeat the lie that I am a welfare mental patient.
While it is not a mental illness you clearly suffer from delusions of competency.

Everything you say about me is completly unfounded and based only on what you want anyone who doesn't agree with you to be.



I'm wondering just how long it will be before a website such as this (or facebook or whatever) will be sued for allowing such content. I believe the day is coming in the not too distant future.

What interwebz trolls don't realize is that by using sites like this, they are, in effect, "journalists" and can be held to the standards of libel (if someone wishes to press a case). Of course, I doubt it would work out well for the web site, either.

Mark my words: the day's coming.



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