RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor

RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

Message

WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:44:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1801_1850/letter%20from%20barack%20obama%20on%20his%20muslim%20heritagehtml.htm Look at this article. Obama himself saying that his father is a muslim, his step dad is a muslim and he attended a muslim school in Indonesia. Also does not claim to be a Christian either. Calls himself humanist. But in the eyes of the Islamic world, his a Muslim by default of his dad being one. In the eyes of the secular world, he can be whatever he wants to be or call himself. And then you got this politifact article who claims that Obama father is an athiest thus Obama is not an Muslim. When Obama himself calls his own father a Muslim. Politifact is not very factual. Actually no: in the eyes of "Islamic world" if he's calling himself a humanist and attending Christian church services (you remember all that fuss about him hobnobbing with a racist pastor who wants to kill whitey, I take it?) then he's an infidel.

Lucylastic -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:46:50 AM)
nooooooooooo you are forever ONLY the religion you are born into.

WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:51:01 AM)
So Dubya was actually a Mason for his whole Presidential career and only claimed to have been born again? [sm=jaw.gif] That explains a lot...

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:56:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Actually no: in the eyes of "Islamic world" if he's calling himself a humanist and attending Christian church services (you remember all that fuss about him hobnobbing with a racist pastor who wants to kill whitey, I take it?) then he's an infidel. They simply see a Muslim person trespassing some Islamic laws. Which in their own country, there would be punishment but in a secular world, there is no punishment.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:57:47 AM)
Either way, my point is, America has elected a Muslim President, despite him being Muslim. If they elect Donald Trump this year. It just shows that, they will just elect whoever they think is most capable at that point of time, regardless of race or religion. Same as the London people did.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:57:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Doesn't follow at all. Nobody here has said your mother is a cretin. The only reason it doesn't follow because it's not common knowledge in the west that, any muslim born to a muslim parent is a muslim whether he likes it or not. But it is in Asia and all Muslim countries. Whereas, most people in the west are more aware about jewish culture, where usually jewish line is passed through the mother. You individual choice of religion is yours to embrace. Who and what your parents follow have nothing to do with it. You aren't a Muslim or a Jew by fact of your parents being Muslim or Jew. You might be brought up in the environment but that doesn't inherently make you one. Only in stupid countries that enforce religion upon you are you made to follow blindly. Enlightned societies give you the right and opportunity to choose for yourself. Sorry Greta, being born to Muslims doesn't make you a Muslim. That's one helluva myopic and obtuse PoV to have.

WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:58:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Actually no: in the eyes of "Islamic world" if he's calling himself a humanist and attending Christian church services (you remember all that fuss about him hobnobbing with a racist pastor who wants to kill whitey, I take it?) then he's an infidel. They simply see a Muslim person trespassing some Islamic laws. Which in their own country, there would be punishment but in a secular world, there is no punishment. Tell that to Salman Rushdie.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 5:58:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Sorry Greta, being born to Muslims doesn't make you a Muslim. That's one helluva myopic and obtuse PoV to have. I am simply telling you the laws of Islam. Secular countries does not have to abide by it, and Muslims living in secular countries escape punishment for breaking their own Islamic laws as they are just in a different country with different laws. But doesn't make these Islamic laws less true. A jew line is passed down through mothers, is common knowledge. But in a secular country, that child is free not to identify himself or herself as a jew. Doesn't change the fact in Judaism. That's how it works. That's how the Jewish line is passed down.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:01:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Tell that to Salman Rushdie. Salmon Rushdie is getting death threats from Muslims though. But his own secular government is not convicting him. So that's the difference. His threat is from Muslims. Muslim people around the world are just happy to see a Muslim elected as President of the United states. Many Muslims see Obama as a Muslim.

WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:03:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Muslims living in secular countries escape punishment for breaking their own Islamic laws. Nope, doesn't work like that. Still, it's nice to know that you won't be blathering about dhimmitude at the drop of a hat now that a moslem is London's elected mayor: I get the impression that a couple of the right leaning Americans in this thread are expecting a Turner Diaries style race war to have broken out in London before the end of the month.

Lucylastic -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:05:05 AM)
your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance.

WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:05:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Muslim people around the world are just happy to see a Muslim elected as President of the United states. Many Muslims see Obama as a Muslim. Quite. That's why ObL surrendered and issued a public apology the second Obama was sworn in, the Iranians stopped pissing and moaning and the Taliban just gave up and vanished.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:08:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Nope, doesn't work like that. Still, it's nice to know that you won't be blathering about dhimmitude at the drop of a hat now that a moslem is London's elected mayor: I get the impression that a couple of the right leaning Americans in this thread are expecting a Turner Diaries style race war to have broken out in London before the end of the month. Yes it does. If you are in a secular country with no sharia laws. You can break all the sharia law all you want without punishment. Secular laws don't care if you break sharia laws. It's that simple. I don't think a mayor has enough powers to dhimmitude a whole London. I don't know anything about this dude. But I hope he chooses to rule secularly keeping his religion out of it. As I said, My own district is run by a Muslim MP but his kept his religion out of everything, and never ever brings up religion in any of the things he does. I guess if he does, there will be outrage, so as long as he keeps religion out of it, everything is fine. As long as the London Mayor doesn't mix his own religion with his job of running London, everything will be fine.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:10:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Quite. That's why ObL surrendered and issued a public apology the second Obama was sworn in, the Iranians stopped pissing and moaning and the Taliban just gave up and vanished. Why should they surrender? And issue any apology? Obama didn't bring Sharia law into the US. For that to happen. Obama has to implement Sharia into America which would be impossible and suicidal for his own career.

WhoreMods -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:11:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Nope, doesn't work like that. Still, it's nice to know that you won't be blathering about dhimmitude at the drop of a hat now that a moslem is London's elected mayor: I get the impression that a couple of the right leaning Americans in this thread are expecting a Turner Diaries style race war to have broken out in London before the end of the month. Yes it does. If you are in a secular country with no sharia laws. You can break all the sharia law all you want without punishment. Secular laws don't care if you break sharia laws. It's that simple. I don't think a mayor has enough powers to dhimmitude a whole London. I don't know anything about this dude. But I hope he chooses to rule secularly keeping his religion out of it. As I said, My own district is run by a Muslim MP but his kept his religion out of everything, and never ever brings up religion in any of the things he does. I guess if he does, there will be outrage, so as long as he keeps religion out of it, everything is fine. As long as the London Mayor doesn't mix his own religion with his job of running London, everything will be fine. Try googling the fact that he received a lot of aggravation when he was still an MP over his support for gay rights, up to and including an iman calling for a fatwah on him. Then, when you've done that, try explaining how muslim religious geas don't apply to muslims outside of the middle east again. And this time, show some working out.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:13:28 AM)
So the crazy thing is, are leftwingers upset if they have truly elected a Muslim President? Something wrong with that? I thought they love Muslims with open arms? Why in so much denial about having one? Thought ya should be proud!

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:21:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Sorry Greta, being born to Muslims doesn't make you a Muslim. That's one helluva myopic and obtuse PoV to have. I am simply telling you the laws of Islam. Secular countries does not have to abide by it, and Muslims living in secular countries escape punishment for breaking their own Islamic laws as they are just in a different country with different laws. But doesn't make these Islamic laws less true. A jew line is passed down through mothers, is common knowledge. But in a secular country, that child is free not to identify himself or herself as a jew. Doesn't change the fact in Judaism. That's how it works. That's how the Jewish line is passed down. Sorry Greta, you are dead wrong. You live in such a tiny insular world that what you post just doesn't fit most other places. I don't know of any hadith that specifies that being born of Muslims makes you a Muslim by default. Like many closed religions, you can be born into a faith but you aren't born of a faith. It's not like being of certain race or colour; faith is a personal choice and following. If you think that religion is inherited, then you are as thick and stupid as those who propagate that bullshit. And Salmon Rushdie is getting death threats from a stupid religion that thinks they can rule the world by archaic hellfire and brimstone approach and people are stupid enough to blindly follow it. They do not believe in freedom. They still believe in tribal rule. In essence, they are not enlightened and live in the dark ages.

Greta75 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:24:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Try googling the fact that he received a lot of aggravation when he was still an MP over his support for gay rights, up to and including an iman calling for a fatwah on him. Then, when you've done that, try explaining how muslim religious geas don't apply to muslims outside of the middle east again. And this time, show some working out. I am talking about laws of the country. Angry muslims in secular countries may break the laws of the secular countries and take matters into their own hands to punish their own fellow muslims, but they are doing it illegally. I am talking simply in matter of facts. Sharia laws does not apply in secular country, unless Muslims want to break secular law and get themselves in trouble. It's like honour killings in the UK right. Legalised and lawful in sharia law, illegal in the UK. Some Muslims chose to execute anyway, and technically, I hope the UK punished them for breaking secular law.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:27:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 So the crazy thing is, are leftwingers upset if they have truly elected a Muslim President? Something wrong with that? I thought they love Muslims with open arms? Why in so much denial about having one? Thought ya should be proud! Really Greta. Really?? Left or right has nothing to do with religion. He is a Muslim. So what? If he does a good job, who gives a fuck if he's black, blue, yellow or pink or if he's a Muslim, a Jew, a christian, a maoist or atheist. Who really gives a flying fuck as long as he does a good job. It's people like you who try to stir the pot by injecting meaningless crap into the mix. He is a person (gender doesn't matter) that people have comfidence in. Period.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: London elects Muslim as Lord Mayor (5/7/2016 6:30:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Try googling the fact that he received a lot of aggravation when he was still an MP over his support for gay rights, up to and including an iman calling for a fatwah on him. Then, when you've done that, try explaining how muslim religious geas don't apply to muslims outside of the middle east again. And this time, show some working out. I am talking about laws of the country. Angry muslims in secular countries may break the laws of the secular countries and take matters into their own hands to punish their own fellow muslims, but they are doing it illegally. I am talking simply in matter of facts. Sharia laws does not apply in secular country, unless Muslims want to break secular law and get themselves in trouble. It's like honour killings in the UK right. Legalised and lawful in sharia law, illegal in the UK. Some Muslims chose to execute anyway, and technically, I hope the UK punished them for breaking secular law. It's nothing to do with 'secular' law. It's very simply any law that isn't based upon any particular religion and therefore religious doctrine takes second place.

Page: << < prev 1 2 [3] 4 5 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.0625