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Termyn8or -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/11/2016 5:23:20 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
People are working on alternative energy. They have been, intently, since at least the 1970's.
The whole point of climate change is to put more urgency into making this alternative energy happen sooner!
So then, we are all in agreement that we all do not object to this!
As for manufacturing coming back to the US. Honestly, I never understood why Germany can do it, and US can't. Euros is as expensive as the Greenback. And German workers are probably paid more too. Yet why is their manufacturing striving?
Surely US can!
The manufacturing is not coming back anytime soon because of PEOPLE. The education sucks and most people have no work ethic. Many will steal from work, even if paid well. Been there done that. What's more, there is so much overregulation it is ridiculous, and so many fees. Just to put up a building involves so much red tape it is intolerable, I certainly wouldn't, and I live here and really would like to. You think those tax abatements are enough ? Nope, they don't cover the cost of teaching the workers math and shit they should already know. there are some diplomas in this country that are totally worthless. Some less than worthless. Walk in for a job sweeping the floor in a machine shop with a liberal arts degree and you ain't getting hired.
Germans are highly productive, and they are not at odds with employers. Employers want to make them comfortable and facilitate them in their tasks, rather than not giving a shit and making the job harder. They have an agreement so to speak, you take care of me, I take care of you.
In the US, people are super arrogant, and half of them uncaught criminals. Also only semi-literate ad lazy.
OK, this not true of all, but there are enough of them to make this an unattractive place for business. There is always a fight between labor and management, with very few exceptions. People want $30 an hour to sweep the floor and management wants engineers for $8 an hour. This is how it has evolved. It will take two generations to breed this shit out and what's more it not only will take a complete overhaul of the education system, but also Parents teaching their kids right. How do you accomplish that ? The schools didn't teach them to steal all that shit from work. The schools didn't teach the to have a buddy system where one guy punches in two others' time cards and they only work every three days and get paid for them all. This actually happened at Ford Motor company.
Know what else happened ? Ford was selling Yugos. Employees were buying them on what is called the "A" plan which is their discount. They were paying a guy, I know him personally, to steal and burn these cars because the insurance paid more than the car cost. This guy did like 100 of them, and I doubt this was the only place it was going on. Yeah, he told me that there is a trick to burning a car to make sure it was totalled.
German might go down in status because of being in the EU. They never should have joined because they do not need it. Now they are going to get pulled down by all the less successful economies.
In the US, people are starting to get like in the Soviet Union. Our money is fucked. It was in the USSR and the people said "They pretend to pay us so we pretend to work". Well here a living wage is out of reach of many now, and like in a marriage both must work just to feed the kids. As a result they are raised in daycare which is the worst place for them. Eventually USians will do what the Russians did, get worse at their job. you devalue the money by letting the banks steal from us, and don't give us a raise to cover it ? Well have a look at the defect rate. It is going up. And that is part of it, if they pay in US dollars, it takes ALOT to make it a good wage and worth really putting yourself into the work and trying hard to do your best.
Two generations at least, and that is after the default on the debt when we start to learn to be self sufficient again. Only then will this country be attractive to business.
Actually I have an idea, and I think it is viable. It is an electronic device for a niche market but I got access to international marketing for it. I want it initially have it built at places about 40 miles from here. But the bottom line is that once we establish the price point and these things are selling I want them made in China. The company has branded pro audio equipment that is actually made by Apex, the people that make DVD players etc. But in the beginning, the patents will apply. Once they start building them overseas that is out the window so I want an established market before making that move. Plus manufacturing in Solon, Ohio will cost four times what it would in China or Korea (they got plants in both) so once the idea takes off and the mass sales happen, then is the time to scoop up the profits. After that, others will copy the design, change it enough maybe so we can''t sue them and then they'll make some money, cutting into our money.
But electronics manufacturing here has pretty much gone the way of everything else. Anything mass production is gone. Friend of mine, an engineer, finally got a job after some time, and this guy is super qualified. What keeps that company in business is that fact that they make paint spray head out of titanium that spin at 70,000 RPM and have to be perfect. this is not mass production but things that are mass produced are painted with these things, like new cars etc. They also sell overseas I think. These babies paint like a car or refrigerator so fast and so perfectly, they cost like $4,000 each. And you don't just hook them up to a paint can, you need the clean room, and the pump, and electrostatic. Yup they splay the pain all over the place but the electrical charge attracts it to the piece. It can actually paint around corners. That is a little niche market we still got here. How many companies doing it ?
One.
What we need is mass market products. We need to make our own TV sets and stereos n shit. They import fucking drywall ! As much as I believe we should adhere to the Constitution, that should be illegal. Or better yet throw some tariffs on it.
Again, those boats that transport all that shit across the ocean are not solar powered and they are belching CO2 like there is no tomorrow.
Less transportation is the answer.
They used to bring the sawmill and a bunch of trees right to where they were going to build a house or building. Talk about 2 by 4s, they could make 2 by 3s, 3 by 4s, whatever the job required. It depended on the load, how much strength they needed. Now it is all standardized. I wonder if that is any better.
All in all, I think the world, and especially this country have gotten worse in the last few decades. We had more freedom, more money, better food and better people. And I doubt it is coming back unless there is a real holocaust. I don't mean just against one race, I mean something that kills 80 % of the world population. Then maybe we can get back to a sane, well run society. I know there were problems, racism, Jim Crow laws all kinds of shit, but we are past that. The problem is we lost alot more than we gained.
And I am pretty sure I know WTF I am talking about. Anyone raised in this country over 40 should know how it was.
T^T
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