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Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/11/2016 8:46:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

Ah, tell me how ocean currents are involved in what you just put forth?
You mean where the arctic is vital for fresh water inflows to the whole entire world, or that its vital to our basic climate?

Lol




Lucylastic -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/11/2016 8:48:11 PM)

what? you think you deserve a thesis or an abstract? ya right.


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Termyn8or -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/11/2016 8:58:41 PM)

"Finally - the whole question is ridiculous. I don't really care how many people say the world is flat. Science is not established by consensus. Its established by the ability to be able to put forth a theory, and see if the results match the theory. No theory of AGW has ever done that. "

Agreed up to the bolded part. However surely you aren't going to say that burning all this shit has cooled the Earth down, or even made it remain stable in temperature. My problem is they run around like chickens with their head cut off and talk about the sky falling. Even if it is really as bad as the most ridiculous of them say, it is not going to have much effect fro at least fifty years, I would say more like a hundred. Any changes we see now were brought on decades ago and if there is a cure that works, the people who implement it will probably be dead before any results are had. Of course that is the reason some people just dismiss the whole thing.

Like, they took the scam too far. I am SURE burning all this shit warms the place up, the CO2 deal, well if they are going to use the temperatures on Venus as some sort of a scale they done lost me. (not that they have but it has been used in their argument)

Now to the bolded part :

There is no way to have a study on that. We can't just sequester half the planet and move the CO2 where we want to prove this. Well they actually...

What's more there are no viable alternatives and all actions to stop AGW will be rent seeking like they always do, and there will be no results. They are experts at not solving problems. In the US, they get paid more not to solve problems. They think they can tax the problem away, or at least make it look like they're making an effort. Remember Harvard catching that bunch of students cheating ? That is where half the politicians go. Learn to cheat. Learn statistics and get people to eat ipods.

T^T




Phydeaux -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 2:54:21 AM)

To the bolded part:

AGW's say carbon causes warming. They have 41 models included in the IPCC. The "best" of them is off by 300%. None of them included the 20 year hiatus.

They cannot come up with a working theory that says - given this much carbon - this will be the temperature increase.
Their aerosol formation forcing was complete bollux.
Just the amount of freshwater replenishing groundwater reserves - by itself - meant their estimates for thermal flows via current were off by 35%.
Their estimate of net tropospheric contribution of carbon dioxide is wrong.

So in summary.
They don't match the data.
They can't enumerate a theory that fits the data.
If they could - the best correlation would show an extremely tiny correlation between co2 and temperature. Ie little sensitivity to CO2
Which would cause them to lose the gravy train of funding. So they are forced to pound the table ever louder and make ever louder predictions.

And you europeans think americans are stupid - well I give them kudos for not joining the koolaid crowd. In the end - the global warming crap is a trillion dollar global hoax meant to profit leftist politicians (seen gore flying around in a hypocritial private jet?) at the expense of the US.




bounty44 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 3:19:58 PM)


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Notice that's an opinion piece?

Ie. No facts required innuendo preferred. Try actual science.

Actual science really only have data from when satellites and high tech more accurate reading equipment are invented.

And all data shows, unusually high carbon dioxide presence. Sea levels rising twice as fast as it used to be rising. Heat rising annually also at a faster rate than it was years ago.

So to say carbon dioxide concentration has no correlation with all the other unusual happenings, is like, not believing in science.

And I still want to know what is the reason that you think 97% is a lie? Do you think these scientists were forced against their will to agree?

What do you think is the actual percentages of scientists that does not believe in man caused climate change?




greta, go back please to the page that shows up on the link I provided a few posts ago and read my post #36.

or for that matter too---you might find some worth in reading that entire thread.




kdsub -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 3:51:43 PM)

Can't we please get back to guns!!!




AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 4:10:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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Any fallout from China’s dispute over a couple of insigfnificant islands pales in comparison with the millions of deaths from MMGW predicted over the next few decades. “The [WHO] predicts that an additional 250,000 people will die annually between 2030 and 2050 from conditions caused or exacerbated by climate change.” That's annually, as in 250,000 deaths PER YEAR. According to The Lancet, the number is closer to 500,000+ deaths in 2050. (http://www.newsweek.com/climate-change-leads-500000-deaths-altering-food-production-433182)

Hum, I've been hearing the same predictions for nearly 40 years. Still waiting to see one prediction come true. The only real thing to take from it is that now, as well as 40 years ago, the people who believe this stuff sure drink a lot of kool aide.


Again...why does it matter who's "right"?

Because, and this response is also a response to the statement below the statement I'm responding to, you are not Copernicus. You have no understanding of technology. Most of the left who believe as you do have no understanding of technology. You simply hold your beliefs, as did the accusers of Copernicus, as a matter of dogmatic faith. You are not Copernicus you are the church. You are the one wasting time, money, and labor on dogma. Real people are trying to solve real problems and you, along with your church, are holding back progress.

Don't you think everybody wants to quit burning fossil fuels? Don't you think the are hundreds, if not tens of thousands, of real scientists who dream of discovering the "real" alternative? Well, those real scientists will never have the chance, just like Copernicus, as long as people like you dogmatically require them to adhere to your faith.


Actually...I never suggested I was as smart as Copernicus...it was a reference....to being wrong in history....and yet, the man was soooo unbelievable right...it was his doctrines that set us free (mathematically)....math (Copernicus) allowed us to go the Heavens....and no...I'm not the church....you'd be surprised at my leanings in that area.

As to dogma...I've been remarkably clear...I hold none. I don't have an opinion (at least as to who is right...I actually don't give a shit who's right....I don't see that it really matters...so long as we get to the right place).

"Most of the left who believe as you do have no understanding of technology"....well....you have me there...I have a dumb phone. Had a smart phone 3 years ago....hated it...demanded my (phone that makes uuhhhhmmmm.....phone calls....imagine that) back....my staff is getting me a smart phone next week....I'm sure I'll hate it but...I'm also sure (this time) I'll keep it.

(I kinda have to....I've been avoiding client demands on that topic a bit too long).

"Don't you think everybody wants to quit burning fossil fuels?"

I'm pretty sure I don't have a clue what "everybody" wants to do.

"Don't you think the are hundreds, if not tens of thousands, of real scientists who dream of discovering the "real" alternative? Well, those real scientists will never have the chance, just like Copernicus, as long as people like you dogmatically require them to adhere to your faith."

I hope the above is correct...I hope there are, as you say "tens of thousands" devoted to finding the "real alternative". (Whatever that is).

As to my faith...see above.

(And by the way....for clarity....my "faith" is in humans....I hope they're up to the task).




AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 4:12:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what? you think you deserve a thesis or an abstract? ya right.


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(He wants....like all posters who can't find an appropriate way to respond to truth....to have others post links for them/him so he doesn't have to think on his own).




bounty44 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 4:14:54 PM)

um, its not your actual leanings that nnanji was talking about when he says you are the church.

he is making a figurative argument---in particular, that the left clings to what they believe in spite of evidence to the contrary, not to mention seeks to oppress contradictory thought.

so yeah, the lefties in this argument are analogous with church to the "deniers'" Copernicus.




AtUrCervix -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 4:19:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

um, its not your actual leanings that nnanji was talking about when he says you are the church.

he is making a figurative argument---in particular, that the left clings to what they believe in spite of evidence to the contrary, not to mention seeks to oppress contradictory thought.

so yeah, the lefties in this argument are analogous with church to the "deniers'" Copernicus.


Well....there it is folks...having never been "left"....I'm having a little difficulty with grasping this one but hey....he made it clear I'm an ignoramus so....can't say I've been accused of worse in my life.

(In the meantime....I'm pretty confident those with 3 or more brain cells....can deduce what I said.....and not what others have suggested I said).




Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:01:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what? you think you deserve a thesis or an abstract? ya right.


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I'll call you Marona.




Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:09:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what? you think you deserve a thesis or an abstract? ya right.


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(He wants....like all posters who can't find an appropriate way to respond to truth....to have others post links for them/him so he doesn't have to think on his own).

Lol,

Lucy comes on and never contributes anything to any conversation except ill manners. She tries to do it in a way that makes her seem smart. She isn't, she's just unpleasant. You, apparently, believe she's smart and adds to a conversation. Her response was completely unaware of anything having to do with the science. It was, however, full of the expectation of sounding smart by regurgitating leftist koolaide.

You aren't as clever as her. And notice I said clever which isn't the same as smart.




Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:11:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

um, its not your actual leanings that nnanji was talking about when he says you are the church.

he is making a figurative argument---in particular, that the left clings to what they believe in spite of evidence to the contrary, not to mention seeks to oppress contradictory thought.

so yeah, the lefties in this argument are analogous with church to the "deniers'" Copernicus.

As you'll see in my post above, I pointed out he's not that clever.




Lucylastic -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:23:01 PM)

You dont like me. Im crushed..... devastated.
I will never live it down..
Right now, where were we, oh yeah....
Drinking the left koolaide, is such a damning argument....exquisite insight and exacting.
Im in utter awe.




Nnanji -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:24:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You dont like me. Im crushed..... devastated.
I will never live it down..
Right now, where were we, oh yeah....
Drinking the left koolaide, is such a damning argument....exquisite insight and exacting.
Im in utter awe.


Lol, thanks Marona.




markyugen -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:43:48 PM)

The 97% figure comes from "multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals," according to NASA's website. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The latest comes from April, 2016. Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”





Greta75 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 5:46:39 PM)

I think we also need to figure out why the ones who does not believe this is man caused, believe that NASA may not be a credible source?

I mean, I am not an expert in science, there are certain reputable organizations that specialises in this, that I need to trust to be the authority in it, to tell me how to interprete the readings they been getting and what the conclusion is, because that's what they do for living.




bounty44 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 6:15:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: markyugen

The 97% figure comes from "multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals," according to NASA's website. http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The latest comes from April, 2016. Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”




I wrote you this yesterday but I am thinking you didn't see it:

people who continue to perpetuate that 97% myth should be made to go back to middle school and start over.

go here for starters:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4842343/mpage_2/key_percent/tm.htm# post #36




bounty44 -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 6:39:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think we also need to figure out why the ones who does not believe this is man caused, believe that NASA may not be a credible source?

I mean, I am not an expert in science, there are certain reputable organizations that specialises in this, that I need to trust to be the authority in it, to tell me how to interprete the readings they been getting and what the conclusion is, because that's what they do for living.


greta, im not speaking comprehensively to the point in your first sentence, but "climate.nasa.gov" is an educational site for kids. it may or may not reflect the official position/findings/beliefs of nasa, as opposed to the person/people who just run that one little slice of it. its actually disturbingly telling that that "97%" number shows up there.

in either event though, it falls prey to the same criticisms I, and others, have made concerning the "97%"

you might enjoy this, its a former nasa scientist talking:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1234575/nasa-scientist-global-warming-is-nonsense/

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Dr. Leslie Woodcock, emeritus professor at the University of Manchester (UK) School of Chemical Engineering and Analytical Science, is a former NASA scientist along with other impressive accomplishments on his distinguished professional resume.

In an interview, he laughed off man-made climate change as nonsense and a money-making industry for the green lobby, which approaches the subject with a religious fervor. Explained Woodcock:




markyugen -> RE: Does anybody here truly not believe in Climate Change? (5/12/2016 6:49:37 PM)

If you want me to take you seriously as somebody who seeks to counter the science with science, you might want to start by toning down your extravagant claims of opponents perpetuating a myth, as well as the personal insults that usually only get trotted out when an argument has nothing of substance to support it. Not that you have any objectively linked science on which to base your claims, which is why you always fall back on offensive language and attempts at intimidation via half-truths and self-reassuring bromides.




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