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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/8/2016 11:36:00 PM   
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I disagree. I have some excellent musical sense (and taste) and I happen to enjoy "O Canada !"



Oh please.

There is no national anthem that musically comes close to 'good music' except for (to some degree) Haydn's "Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser," (God Save Franz The King"), because it's Haydn, and I am not even the biggest fan of his to begin with. (Not a fan of the classical era at all, actually. Screw Mozart, MUCH better after that.) Germany later stole the music and changed the words to their own purpose (Deutscheland über Alles), though cutting out the more offensive parts (the middle verse, which context changed drastically from 100 years before, when purpose was to unite the principalities into a country) after WW II. Haydn's homeland of Austria (whence "Franz den Kaiser) wants nothing to do with it now.

But if you think that "Oh, Canada!" constitutes 'good musical sense,' have at it. All I can feel out of that 'music' is "made for dullwits,' start to finish.





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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 12:45:13 AM   
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I have some excellent musical sense (and taste)


Or does that estimation come from being able to plunk it out on an electric bass through a 200 watt amplifier, after saying to your buddy, "here, hold my beer"?

My mom never played a musical instrument in her life (unlike myself), and had better musical sense than any music theory instructor or guitar or piano teacher I ever had.

(Though I will say, my "intro to music theory" teacher was one of the rare bright spots in my misadventures in academia, along with my first pre-calculus instructor.)





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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 4:32:16 AM   
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I doubt this will have any political implications. It's just one superstar (im stretching here), being highly disrespectful. I don't know enough about Wade to determine if it was intentional, or if he was just amped up to play.
If you want to make this political we could discuss the Pacers banning Raptor fans from using the 'We The North' signs.


Wade is a superstar in his time. He's damn good (or was; I think his skills are on the decline).

I highly doubt Wade intended to offend anyone. Regardless, the NBA rules explicitly state the acceptable behavior during the playing of the national anthem(s).


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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 4:53:34 AM   
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Intention (or lack thereof) is one thing. Blatant stupidity and willful ignorance of rules is another.

Should be fined, at the least.

(Can't stop laughing at the purported 'political statement' meme, though.)




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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 4:57:40 AM   
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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 5:07:50 AM   
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Did Cat Stevens play and sing "God Save The Queen" for this event?



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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 5:10:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. However Ralph McTell did turn up to do Streets Of London.

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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 5:30:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the more telling question that arises from an instance like this is, why are national anthems played at the beginning of athletic contests? there are plenty of political "implications" in answering that one.

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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 5:30:48 AM   
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No. However Ralph McTell did turn up to do Streets Of London.


"made me youtube'" you sneaky thing.

So '60s.

Not the worst thing.

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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 6:13:49 AM   
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why are national anthems played at the beginning of athletic contests?

I've wondered about that. Anyone know the history?

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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 6:22:20 AM   
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Nationalism and flags and anthems and guns and gods and wars ... what fun!!

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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 6:26:18 AM   
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why are national anthems played at the beginning of athletic contests?

I've wondered about that. Anyone know the history?


Says here ...

http://briancain.com/blog/the-history-of-the-national-anthem-at-sporting-games.html

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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 6:45:15 AM   
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Nationalism and flags and anthems and guns and gods and wars ... what fun!!


Don't forget the jet fly overs.

Profitable for the leagues, too.

Looky here;

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/4/9670302/nfl-paid-patriotism-troops-mcain-flake-report-million







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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 6:55:40 AM   
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why are national anthems played at the beginning of athletic contests?

I've wondered about that. Anyone know the history?


history aside for some moments longer, my original question implies the sociological view and the relationship between sport and country and how we view that.

im borrowing (and sometimes quoting) heavily from jay coakley, a sport sociologist. there are at least 6 recognizable theories of sport, which help to create the lenses by which we view instances like these.

the theories themselves can be dissected into categories that help to define them by the particular questions they raise, as well as differentiate them one from another.

so for example (some of these will be familiar), the theories are functionalist, conflict, interactionist, critical, feminist and figurational.

according to coakley, ways to understand these theories can be gotten through the headings of assumptions about the basis of sport for social order, major concerns in the study of society, major concerns in the study of sport, major concerns about the sport-society relationship, social implication and policy implications, and major weaknesses.

the intersection of the headings and the theories are inhabited by relevant questions and statements.

for instance, under assumptions about the basis for social order in society, the statements go like this:

functionalist: social order is based on consensus and shared values, which hold all the interrelated parts of society together.

conflict: social order is based on economic interests and the use of economic power to exploit labor.

interactionist: social order is created from the bottom up through intentional social interaction.

critical: social order is negotiated through struggles over ideology, representation and power.

feminist: social order is based primarily on the values, experiences and interests of men with power.

figurational: social order is based on interdependencies among individuals and groups.

so the same can be done for each of the other headings, with each of the theories.

in the sport-society relationship, and here is where there might be some national anthem answers/controversies, it goes like this:

(am leaving out the headings this time)

sport is a valuable social institution that benefits society as well as individuals in society. sport is a source of inspiration on both personal and social levels.

sport is a form of physical activity that is distorted by the needs of capital. sport is an opiate that distracts attention away from the problems that affect those without economic power.

sports are forms of culture created through social interaction.

sports are sites where culture is produced, reproduced and transformed. sports are cultural practices that repress and/or empower people.

sports reproduce male power and distorted ideas about masculinity.

global sports are complex activities with local and national significance.

the kicker is, more or less, anything that's said about the national anthem at athletic contests is going to fit into one of the intersections between the theories and the categories by which the theories are studied.

the sad thing is, like much of what goes on here is, people who hold one particular view, not recognizing there are well thought-out/reasoned others will degenerate into name calling rather than seeking to understand.


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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 7:05:08 AM   
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Nationalism and flags and anthems and guns and gods and wars ... what fun!!

Don't forget the jet fly overs.
Profitable for the leagues, too.
Looky here;
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/4/9670302/nfl-paid-patriotism-troops-mcain-flake-report-million


The National Anthem isn't part of that $$. That's been going on for quite some time (as your previous link noted).

But, the idea that the military pays a professional sports team for the opportunity to be honored?!? That's horrible! I don't have a problem with the military spending money for tickets, seats, etc., other than, well, that's probably not the wisest use of taxpayer money. It's almost like an advertisement, then. Damn.

What I've thought for the past couple years was that the NFL have military tribute uniforms (helmets and jerseys) created for each team, and after the "Veteran's Day" games, those items get auctioned off, with the money going to charities that support the troops (ie. Wounded Warrior Project, etc.). Can you imagine how much a Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Odell Beckham Jr., Rob Gronkowski, or Peyton Manning (the Top 5 selling jerseys for 2015) game-worn Veteran's Day jersey or helmet would go for? It's, literally, one-of-a-kind. Have the player sign it to make it that much more valuable.

Have special balls made, too.


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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 7:19:35 AM   
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How about those who can understand the phenomena with out recourse to 450+ words from a sociologist?

In any case, the US and Canada (because of having teams in leagues based in the US) are the only ones who have the 'national anthem' for every game in all commercially national sports.

The inherent militarism and 'national pride' invoked in most anthems are things that other countries don't wish treat so cavalierly or so inconsequentially.


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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 7:47:56 AM   
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Nationalism and flags and anthems and guns and gods and wars ... what fun!!

Don't forget the jet fly overs.
Profitable for the leagues, too.
Looky here;
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/4/9670302/nfl-paid-patriotism-troops-mcain-flake-report-million


The National Anthem isn't part of that $$. That's been going on for quite some time (as your previous link noted).

But, the idea that the military pays a professional sports team for the opportunity to be honored?!? That's horrible! I don't have a problem with the military spending money for tickets, seats, etc., other than, well, that's probably not the wisest use of taxpayer money. It's almost like an advertisement, then. Damn.

What I've thought for the past couple years was that the NFL have military tribute uniforms (helmets and jerseys) created for each team, and after the "Veteran's Day" games, those items get auctioned off, with the money going to charities that support the troops (ie. Wounded Warrior Project, etc.). Can you imagine how much a Tom Brady, Cam Newton, Odell Beckham Jr., Rob Gronkowski, or Peyton Manning (the Top 5 selling jerseys for 2015) game-worn Veteran's Day jersey or helmet would go for? It's, literally, one-of-a-kind. Have the player sign it to make it that much more valuable.

Have special balls made, too.



At least 80% of all you mention has already been done, the last two NFL seasons especially. And yes, of course it's advertising and good marketing, exactly as I was pointing out. I think there are/were at least 6-8 guys each on the Panthers and Falcons teams alone involved in the wounded warrior program (with out the military paying for it), which I'm sure is typical of most teams. But I like the guys buying the land and all the slides and swings for a new playground for the dinky little town in Georgia they grew up in even better. Am I anti-patriot for that? Are they? Are all the inner city "keep kids in school," after school programs and such, taking away in dollars and in time, what should be going to the military, if these guys were real patriots? We have to keep in mind, too, that roughly 50% of charitable works by pro athletes are done somewhat 'under the table' because they get sick and tired of accusations of 'just doing it for the cameras,' and/or wishing to respect the privacy of some of those benefited.

They aren't, however, merely advertising for recruits; they are selling justification. Or lack for need of such in the first place, to be honest about it.

What I have issue with is 'enforced patriotism,' in whatever form or by whatever method. I am not enamored of myself or anyone else being accused of "hating our country" if we prefer our sports with out having direct military tie-in foisted upon us in the process. Keep in mind that those against a particular foreign policy or especially a military action invoked thereby are not, by that disagreement alone, "anti-military."

So while we're at it, being 'pro military' with out regard to cause or consequence considered is far from my idea of patriotism. And I don't like the 'pro-militarism = patriotism' thing (along with the 'overtly implicit' converse of that. "whoa! I'm not a patriot!").










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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 8:00:54 AM   
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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 8:24:36 AM   
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RE: NBA Player Baltantly Disrespects Canada - 5/9/2016 8:55:27 AM   
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LC, 5000-1 odds to win it, before the season.

You threw a 10 spot on that, right?

When you gonna take me to dinner?


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