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stef -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 10:36:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

So, a male Dominant keeps visiting "Pro-Dommes", getting ripped of and keeps trying...at this point I'm convinced he's a troll because no-one can be that stupid and survive.

Sadly, there are many participants in this forum that prove that wrong on a daily basis.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 10:44:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

I know that you are trolling here, but I'll feed you anyway. What a "street whore" does has nothing to do with the way that a Pro-Domme conducts her business.


I'm not trolling.

I also happen to be friendly with a ProDomme friend of mine.
It's still the same - Payment after services rendered.

The only ones that demand payment up-front are those wannabe scam parasites.
And it's the very reason that genuine ProDommes and FinDommes get a bad rap.

ETA: And yes, I do know the difference between a ProDomme and street whore/hooker.




MariaB -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 11:15:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: Diffident

I know that you are trolling here, but I'll feed you anyway. What a "street whore" does has nothing to do with the way that a Pro-Domme conducts her business.


I'm not trolling.

I also happen to be friendly with a ProDomme friend of mine.
It's still the same - Payment after services rendered.

The only ones that demand payment up-front are those wannabe scam parasites.
And it's the very reason that genuine ProDommes and FinDommes get a bad rap.

ETA: And yes, I do know the difference between a ProDomme and street whore/hooker.


Then why compare a street whore with a pro Domme?
A reputable pro Domme will likely take a deposit from a new customer because she's a busy lady and taking a deposit doesn't mean she has to lose out through 'no shows'. She will then take money up front before a session begins. If you know someone who takes money after, then you know someone who takes money after but that's not how it usually works in the world of pro Domming.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 11:24:06 AM)

I'm not comparing a street whore to ProDomme at all.

I'm making the point that payment up-front is not the norm from my experience - no matter where in the industry/fetish you find yourself.

Even many years ago when I was a truck driver all over Europe, it was payment after services rendered, not before.




Diffident -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 12:43:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

A reputable pro Domme will likely take a deposit from a new customer because she's a busy lady and taking a deposit doesn't mean she has to lose out through 'no shows'. She will then take money up front before a session begins. If you know someone who takes money after, then you know someone who takes money after but that's not how it usually works in the world of pro Domming.


Exactly that.

It would only take a couple of people to not pay up for any woman in high demand, with expensive time and a lack of verifiable personal information about a new client to change her mind quite quickly about allowing new clients to pay afterwards. This would unfortunately be likely to happen on a fairly regular basis with new clients in a services before payment scenario in this industry.




Awareness -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 2:17:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Diffident
No services until payment rendered.

Unless it is very different in America, your advice would get the OP blacklisted by every reputable professional in his local area.
The idea that there's such a thing as a "reputable professional" ProDomm is phenomenally laughable.

Regardless, getting blacklisted could only improve his lifestyle.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 2:26:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Diffident


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

A reputable pro Domme will likely take a deposit from a new customer because she's a busy lady and taking a deposit doesn't mean she has to lose out through 'no shows'. She will then take money up front before a session begins. If you know someone who takes money after, then you know someone who takes money after but that's not how it usually works in the world of pro Domming.


Exactly that.

It would only take a couple of people to not pay up for any woman in high demand, with expensive time and a lack of verifiable personal information about a new client to change her mind quite quickly about allowing new clients to pay afterwards. This would unfortunately be likely to happen on a fairly regular basis with new clients in a services before payment scenario in this industry.

I've been all over Europe and the UK with a bunch of truckers for more than 10 years that indulge in this sort of activity with regular monotiny and none of them pay up-front anywhere for anything when it comes to sex or sessions.
Whether that's private sessions, in a bordello, a street whore, a call girl, even in many red light districts.

It's always been service first, payment after.
Just like a restaurant, eat first then pay the bill.
Reason being, the client has the legal right not to pay if the service was not up to scratch or not as negotiated.




AtUrCervix -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/21/2016 2:57:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ilovestarbucks

So i've been around the block. I've learned my lessons the hard way. I've lost a lot of money by being scammed. But i'm wiser now.

BUT there is a new scam going on and i'm here to WARN YOU ALL!!

I joined several "BDSM DATING" sites. I mean, I paid money for a subscription because everything look promising.
Well, all the women are BOTS!! there is not one real woman on those sites.
I would link these sites to u but i'm sure its against regs.


SO BEWARE WHEN YOU JOIN THOSE BDSM DATING SITES!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.


Next up....in local news, the sun will come up tomorrow at 6:45 a.m.

When it goes down, things will get slightly darker....and.....shortly following your normal sleep patterns, slightly lighter until greater brightness ensues.

And now, a report on stupidity.

It appears to reign...somewhat often.

But first, this brief message on Crunchies....the new spirited food that isn't actually a food at all....(roll the tape please)....




MariaB -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/22/2016 2:48:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Diffident


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

A reputable pro Domme will likely take a deposit from a new customer because she's a busy lady and taking a deposit doesn't mean she has to lose out through 'no shows'. She will then take money up front before a session begins. If you know someone who takes money after, then you know someone who takes money after but that's not how it usually works in the world of pro Domming.


Exactly that.

It would only take a couple of people to not pay up for any woman in high demand, with expensive time and a lack of verifiable personal information about a new client to change her mind quite quickly about allowing new clients to pay afterwards. This would unfortunately be likely to happen on a fairly regular basis with new clients in a services before payment scenario in this industry.

I've been all over Europe and the UK with a bunch of truckers for more than 10 years that indulge in this sort of activity with regular monotiny and none of them pay up-front anywhere for anything when it comes to sex or sessions.
Whether that's private sessions, in a bordello, a street whore, a call girl, even in many red light districts.

It's always been service first, payment after.
Just like a restaurant, eat first then pay the bill.
Reason being, the client has the legal right not to pay if the service was not up to scratch or not as negotiated.





You always have an answer on a personal level. How many of those truckers go and see pro Dommes and how many of those truckers have you watched a session with to see if they pay up front or not? When they are telling you about their wild experience do they like to mention that they paid her after? You know how ridiculous that sounds [8|]

There is such a thing as buyers remorse. It doesn't matter how good the session was, if he has the choice to pay afterwards and he's a client who is just passing through, the chances are extremely high that he will rip her off. That's why most pro Dommes won't even let a new client through the reception area (or even see her) until he's coughed up the agreed fee to her receptionist.

There is a well known story on the London scene about a popular member who decided to do a bit of pro domming on the side. She was shy about taking the money from her first client; so shy that after a two hour session with this guy she gave him an envelope and asked him to leave a donation of his choice... he left £5. Needless to say, she never took on a second client.

People try and con hookers all the time so why would it be any different for pro Dommes? A lot of these Dommes are astute business women who earn more money in a day than most of us can earn in a week. They don't do that by being slap dash careless.





freedomdwarf1 -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/22/2016 4:37:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB
You always have an answer on a personal level. How many of those truckers go and see pro Dommes and how many of those truckers have you watched a session with to see if they pay up front or not? When they are telling you about their wild experience do they like to mention that they paid her after? You know how ridiculous that sounds [8|]

I'm old and have done many many things in my life.
I've gone from farm worker to chief computer button pusher, programmer, M.O.D (secret work), software consultant, PC builder/fixer, continental HGV driver.... etc etc.

When I was truck driving for a big distribution company, we often got sent to familiar regular places by the dozen or more trucks in a convoy.
In our breaks (and while waiting for the next job which could be several days), we naturally congregated in canteens, bars and other nefarious/dubious meeting places and spent a lot of time chatting, drinking and generally larking about doing things that most of their wives didn't know about.
And going to regular places over the years, many drivers had specific people they visited and engaged with as private clients.
So yes, these things were frequently talked and joked about.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
There is such a thing as buyers remorse. It doesn't matter how good the session was, if he has the choice to pay afterwards and he's a client who is just passing through, the chances are extremely high that he will rip her off. That's why most pro Dommes won't even let a new client through the reception area (or even see her) until he's coughed up the agreed fee to her receptionist.

As I mentioned, these associations were built up over many years of regular visits.
So they weren't just 'passing through' as a random new client.
And even those that engaged for the first time, didn't pay up-front; money was left on the table when you left the room.
My one and only transgression on my driving trips was in Spain in an up-market bar/restaurant/bordello known as The Red Star.
And yes, after buying the girl a drink (damned expensive), we went to the room, had our fun, cash left on the table on the way out.
Not a hint of any payment before everything else was concluded.
And interestingly, all her health and STI screening certificates (done every month) were either on the wall or in a big folder for the client to check before they do anything.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
There is a well known story on the London scene about a popular member who decided to do a bit of pro domming on the side. She was shy about taking the money from her first client; so shy that after a two hour session with this guy she gave him an envelope and asked him to leave a donation of his choice... he left £5. Needless to say, she never took on a second client.

Hmmmm.... so well known I haven't heard of it.
And I daresay our US posters haven't either.
Must have been a local thing.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
People try and con hookers all the time so why would it be any different for pro Dommes? A lot of these Dommes are astute business women who earn more money in a day than most of us can earn in a week. They don't do that by being slap dash careless.

I quite agree.

The street hooker I tried to help was earning over £1,000 a day with ease.
But alas, spent most of it on booze and drugs.
What's more, she was a habitual cleptomaniac and was often caught for petty theft.
She did have a few that wouldn't pay but most clients did.
Shame.... she was a good looker and scrubbed up well.




Greatlilbabygirl -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/22/2016 5:46:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: ilovestarbucks

So i've been around the block. I've learned my lessons the hard way. I've lost a lot of money by being scammed. But i'm wiser now.

BUT there is a new scam going on and i'm here to WARN YOU ALL!!

I joined several "BDSM DATING" sites. I mean, I paid money for a subscription because everything look promising.
Well, all the women are BOTS!! there is not one real woman on those sites.
I would link these sites to u but i'm sure its against regs.


SO BEWARE WHEN YOU JOIN THOSE BDSM DATING SITES!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.


Next up....in local news, the sun will come up tomorrow at 6:45 a.m.

When it goes down, things will get slightly darker....and.....shortly following your normal sleep patterns, slightly lighter until greater brightness ensues.

And now, a report on stupidity.

It appears to reign...somewhat often.

But first, this brief message on Crunchies....the new spirited food that isn't actually a food at all....(roll the tape please)....

Unless you live in Alaska........:p




Bhruic -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/22/2016 8:46:19 AM)

I encountered one site that had a gallery of women on it's join page... who, by the photography, it was easy to tell were not legit. And in their TOS they actually had a clause where the user is meant to acknowledge and agree that bot profiles exist on the site.

Needless to say, I was not taken in therefore.




LadyPact -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/22/2016 12:51:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


Next up....in local news, the sun will come up tomorrow at 6:45 a.m.

When it goes down, things will get slightly darker....and.....shortly following your normal sleep patterns, slightly lighter until greater brightness ensues.

And now, a report on stupidity.

It appears to reign...somewhat often.

But first, this brief message on Crunchies....the new spirited food that isn't actually a food at all....(roll the tape please)....

Unless you live in Alaska........:p


He's actually not off by that much. Roughly about an hour.

The spring and fall equinox in AK is basically the same as it is for everybody else. Equal hours of daylight and night. You won't see the extreme differences from the lower 48 until you start looking at sunrise and sunset times that are on the winter and summer solstice marks. Winter solstice, of course, is the bad one. Where MP and I lived, the shortest 'day' of the year, (meaning time period between sunrise and sunset) was roughly four hours. Sun came up close to 11:00 AM and was back down before 3:00 PM.

The nice part is, on the summer solstice, the opposite is true. Almost twenty hours of daylight.

It's how you get expressions like 'high noon moon' and 'midnight sun'. Both are very cool to actually see.

Just a bit of trivia from somebody who used to live there.







needlesandpins -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 3:18:29 AM)

Well I can not believe that the OP was foolish enough to bring this thread back to life. I read it out to my son as a 'how not to'. He just pissed himself laughing. He's 22, and asked me if this guy is serious, not only for the original post, but for actually being daft enough to admit that he was ripped off yet again.

Needles




longwayhome -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 6:32:38 AM)

Not sure that he was ripped off again.

I have a slight suspicion that he just likes posting this stuff along with the mixture of pity, disbelief and derision it earns him. Maybe mixture of vague humiliation along with the indignation he feels at the responses give him the emotional payoff he doesn't get from his missing relationship with a dominant woman. Or maybe it satisfies an unresolved misogyny.

Then again maybe he is just laughing at how his trolling gets everyone going so regularly.

Whether actually ripped off or merely attention seeking, we all turn up for his party (and yes I do get the irony in that).

Good luck to him!




Alecta -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 8:08:58 AM)

I have a certain suspicion that the bots would be more popular than real women, as long as these boys would just be open-minded enough to overlook their status as bots. More accommodating, for a start, and they'll work harder for your attention than any real women.




Greatlilbabygirl -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 8:45:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Well I can not believe that the OP was foolish enough to bring this thread back to life. I read it out to my son as a 'how not to'. He just pissed himself laughing. He's 22, and asked me if this guy is serious, not only for the original post, but for actually being daft enough to admit that he was ripped off yet again.

Needles


That's a very open Mother/son relationship. I don't think I could talk to my kids about that. But mine are all under 10




Diffident -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 9:27:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Not sure that he was ripped off again.

I have a slight suspicion that he just likes posting this stuff along with the mixture of pity, disbelief and derision it earns him. Maybe mixture of vague humiliation along with the indignation he feels at the responses give him the emotional payoff he doesn't get from his missing relationship with a dominant woman. Or maybe it satisfies an unresolved misogyny.

Then again maybe he is just laughing at how his trolling gets everyone going so regularly.

Whether actually ripped off or merely attention seeking, we all turn up for his party (and yes I do get the irony in that).

Good luck to him!


You mean that someone on the internet might have made something up? What a thing to suggest.




needlesandpins -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 11:55:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greatlilbabygirl


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Well I can not believe that the OP was foolish enough to bring this thread back to life. I read it out to my son as a 'how not to'. He just pissed himself laughing. He's 22, and asked me if this guy is serious, not only for the original post, but for actually being daft enough to admit that he was ripped off yet again.

Needles


That's a very open Mother/son relationship. I don't think I could talk to my kids about that. But mine are all under 10



My son's farther wins no prizes with his son for dad of the year, and he lives literally around the corner from us, so I pull double duty. He's put us through hell. We were close anyway, but that just made us closer, and due to lies that my ex told my son I had to tell him the truth for him to understand what was really going on. My ex's plan backfired on him, but made my life easier, although putting me in a position with my son at the time I would not have chosen to be in.

These days our relationship is very much admired, and envied [:)]

Needles




beagle916 -> RE: NEW BDSM Scam! BEWARE! (9/23/2016 5:49:20 PM)

Here's a hint if someone says pay a release fee so I can join you from my BDSM training camp warning bells should go off this isn't the CONGO lol




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