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Greta75 -> Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 9:20:18 PM)
https://www.rt.com/news/342718-copenhagen-bars-sharia-patrols/ A group of bar owners from one of Copenhagen’s suburbs, who have been endlessly harassed by Muslim youth activists trying to impose a so-called “Shariah zone”, have taken their case to a government minister, urging her to protect their businesses and the locals. The concept of Sharia zones was introduced by a group called ‘Call to Islam’ some five years ago. Using volunteers, pockets of activists embark on daily patrols of the neighborhood and approach those who drink, gamble, or engage in other activities seen by the group as running contrary to Islamic beliefs. “Recently some young men came into the bar and shouted that all guests should leave,” Heidi Dyrnesli from Cafe Heimdal told Radio24syv. “They shouted so that the site belongs to them and that Nørrebro is Sharia zone, so there is no drinking alcohol.” The gangs also use firecrackers and stones to smash windows and assault premises, while the police seem to unable to stop such behavior from youths. Mucki Bar owner, Birgitte Fischer, claims that the gang asked them for at least 60,000 DKK ($9,200) as so-called “protection money.” This is honestly how I imagine will increasingly happen. It won't happen in my country as we let them legally sharia patrol their own people. And allow them to execute their own sharia rules to their own Muslims. We anticipated something exactly like this, so we actually compromise with them to have a law that, no places are allowed to sell any alcoholic drinks within 200metres circumference from a mosque, so called sharia zone. And let them regulate their own little sharia zone. But in the west, where there is no room for Sharia. This is how I imagine eventually, slowly, small pockets of Muslim community will try to have it going anyway. I actually think the Danish integration Minister should seek the London Mayor advice on how to deal with this. I'd love to hear his solution.

Phydeaux -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 9:38:00 PM)
I think the danes need guns.

Greta75 -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 9:46:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux I think the danes need guns. There is quite alot of interesting comments in that article from Americans that this is impossible to happen in America, because pub and bar owners have guns. They seem to think that they can just shoot them legally for it. I don't know what are the laws to shooting unwanted people harassment like that. Can you really just shoot them without liability?

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 10:25:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux I think the danes need guns. There is quite alot of interesting comments in that article from Americans that this is impossible to happen in America, because pub and bar owners have guns. They seem to think that they can just shoot them legally for it. I don't know what are the laws to shooting unwanted people harassment like that. Can you really just shoot them without liability? Sounds like assault and terroism to me, in many states that is justification.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 10:28:08 PM)
quote: on how to deal with this. Arrest them and jail them.

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 10:34:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick quote: on how to deal with this. Arrest them and jail them. That would be ideal, depending on how violent they get. There may not be time to wait for the police. Running a protection racket is against the law everywhere isn't it? Sounds kind of like they are using Islam as a cover for doing just that.

Greta75 -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 10:37:29 PM)
If this been going on for 5 years. And they claim the police are afraid of them. The whole "arrest and jail them" should have happened a long time ago but not enforced, somehow...., could be due to because it's a religious mission. My country just arrest Christians for even peacefully distributing chick tracts lol. The clamp down on anybody trying to enforce their religious beliefs on anybody is very fast and swift. These thugs would definitely be in jail long ago in my country. But in a country where there is political correctness...., I don't know.

MrRodgers -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/12/2016 11:29:10 PM)
Sounds like MS13 style and the mob's...ole fashion extortion to me.

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 8:08:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux I think the danes need guns. There is quite alot of interesting comments in that article from Americans that this is impossible to happen in America, because pub and bar owners have guns. They seem to think that they can just shoot them legally for it. I don't know what are the laws to shooting unwanted people harassment like that. Can you really just shoot them without liability? You do realise that they are somewhat more likely to cease their actions and wait for the police when your request for them to do so is backed up by a riot gun don't you? And nobody has to get shot.

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 8:09:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Sounds like MS13 style and the mob's...ole fashion extortion to me. Stop the presses, we are in complete agreement.

tweakabelle -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 8:28:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do realise that they are somewhat more likely to cease their actions and wait for the police when your request for them to do so is backed up by a riot gun don't you? And nobody has to get shot. The most likely scenario would be that they go away and then return later after having armed themselves. Then you would have a shoot out (if you manage to produce your weapons in time) or possibly a massacre (if you fail to produce your weapons in time, or their guns are more powerful than yours). No thanks. The image of a bunch of would be terrorists shooting it out with a bunch of would be Dirty Harrys in the middle of a European city doesn't exactly inspire, does it? Matters such as this (which seems to be an extortion attempt under the aegis of religion if the OP is to be believed) are far better left to the authorities who are trained and equipped to deal with them.

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:00:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do realise that they are somewhat more likely to cease their actions and wait for the police when your request for them to do so is backed up by a riot gun don't you? And nobody has to get shot. The most likely scenario would be that they go away and then return later after having armed themselves. Then you would have a shoot out (if you manage to produce your weapons in time) or possibly a massacre (if you fail to produce your weapons in time, or their guns are more powerful than yours). No thanks. The image of a bunch of would be terrorists shooting it out with a bunch of would be Dirty Harrys in the middle of a European city doesn't exactly inspire, does it? Matters such as this (which seems to be an extortion attempt under the aegis of religion if the OP is to be believed) are far better left to the authorities who are trained and equipped to deal with them. What part of holding them for the police don't you understand? What should they do then, pay the extortion? Looks like one vote for thug rule.

Aylee -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:14:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do realise that they are somewhat more likely to cease their actions and wait for the police when your request for them to do so is backed up by a riot gun don't you? And nobody has to get shot. The most likely scenario would be that they go away and then return later after having armed themselves. Then you would have a shoot out (if you manage to produce your weapons in time) or possibly a massacre (if you fail to produce your weapons in time, or their guns are more powerful than yours). No thanks. The image of a bunch of would be terrorists shooting it out with a bunch of would be Dirty Harrys in the middle of a European city doesn't exactly inspire, does it? Matters such as this (which seems to be an extortion attempt under the aegis of religion if the OP is to be believed) are far better left to the authorities who are trained and equipped to deal with them. What part of holding them for the police don't you understand? What should they do then, pay the extortion? Looks like one vote for thug rule. I think that they are supposed to pay the extortion money or go out of business. For five years the law enforcement has been able to do NOTHING. White privilege or something says that they do not have the right to defend themselves, their patrons, or their business/livelihood because these poor unfortunate Muslim youths are being oppressed or something. Of course some on here are going to defend the actions of these poor disadvantaged youths as a culture clash. To take a page from Candide, sometimes you have to kill a criminal barbarian or two, pour l'encouragement des autres.

tweakabelle -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:20:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do realise that they are somewhat more likely to cease their actions and wait for the police when your request for them to do so is backed up by a riot gun don't you? And nobody has to get shot. The most likely scenario would be that they go away and then return later after having armed themselves. Then you would have a shoot out (if you manage to produce your weapons in time) or possibly a massacre (if you fail to produce your weapons in time, or their guns are more powerful than yours). No thanks. The image of a bunch of would be terrorists shooting it out with a bunch of would be Dirty Harrys in the middle of a European city doesn't exactly inspire, does it? Matters such as this (which seems to be an extortion attempt under the aegis of religion if the OP is to be believed) are far better left to the authorities who are trained and equipped to deal with them. What part of holding them for the police don't you understand? What should they do then, pay the extortion? Looks like one vote for thug rule. So what happens if they decline your invitation to wait for the police? Do you shoot them? And such responses will only work once. As soon as the hooligans hear you are armed, they will arm themselves and go out armed .... in which case you might find yourself seriously outgunned. Far better to leave these situations to those trained and equipped and experienced in dealing with them - the police. Citizen vigilantes don't work. They aren't the answer in Europe any more than they are the answers anywhere else.

servantforuse -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:23:31 AM)
This group wouldn't be doing this at some of the bars I frequent in the Milwaukee area. The biker friends I know would have a field day with these so called vigilantys.

Lucylastic -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:27:45 AM)
hmmmmmmm I bet more bikers have killed other people than any muslim thugs living in north america.

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:37:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You do realise that they are somewhat more likely to cease their actions and wait for the police when your request for them to do so is backed up by a riot gun don't you? And nobody has to get shot. The most likely scenario would be that they go away and then return later after having armed themselves. Then you would have a shoot out (if you manage to produce your weapons in time) or possibly a massacre (if you fail to produce your weapons in time, or their guns are more powerful than yours). No thanks. The image of a bunch of would be terrorists shooting it out with a bunch of would be Dirty Harrys in the middle of a European city doesn't exactly inspire, does it? Matters such as this (which seems to be an extortion attempt under the aegis of religion if the OP is to be believed) are far better left to the authorities who are trained and equipped to deal with them. What part of holding them for the police don't you understand? What should they do then, pay the extortion? Looks like one vote for thug rule. So what happens if they decline your invitation to wait for the police? Do you shoot them? And such responses will only work once. As soon as the hooligans hear you are armed, they will arm themselves and go out armed .... in which case you might find yourself seriously outgunned. Far better to leave these situations to those trained and equipped and experienced in dealing with them - the police. Citizen vigilantes don't work. They aren't the answer in Europe any more than they are the answers anywhere else. And when they see you calling the cops you will at least get beat up, likely killed. And they will be gone before the cops get there. Self defense is not vigilantyism. And if you prefer charges the rest of the gang may come looking for you. So again you seem to accept the Kryptonian view of thugs.

BamaD -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:39:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic hmmmmmmm I bet more bikers have killed other people than any muslim thugs living in north america. Yep, which is why this won't happen in a U S biker bar.

servantforuse -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 9:57:57 AM)
I never mentioned anyone killing others. I'm just saying this group wouldn't get away with their antics in the bars I hang out in.

Lucylastic -> RE: Vigilante Sharia Patrol (5/13/2016 10:00:05 AM)
I have friend who are bikers, going back to my teenage years. My computer had a brain fart before I could post more info, but heh Im not targetting bikers and making excuses for "musllims" just in case anyone wants to try for that little nugget of voluptuous bullshit. I seem to remember 9 being killed last year when on bar decided to call out another bar( or bunch) how many were injured? you really dont think it can happen with any other group? russian mob, mafia, bikers, triads, or "other roving groups?not to mention white nationalists and other assorted gangs of killers?

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